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Mike n Laura
November 23, 2007 at 10:11pm
"I watch people going inhuman trying to get some toy"  ....lol! This brings interesting mental images!

"Lets raise up a generation that really has their priorities right" ....We're trying so hard to do this very thing. Well, starting with our family. I've worked with youth through church as well, put in about 6 years total in youth groups, another 6 in children's Sunday school. Most of my efforts outside of my own family have felt fairly futile, leading me to conclude that beyond certain exceptional circumstances parents are among the greatest gatekeepers to heaven. At least in a nation such as ours. Does that sound cynical?
Patrick Hazard
November 23, 2007 at 10:23pm
Not at all.  I think parents play a much larger role than they accept...especially in this country.  We have turned our children over to technology, even after the Terminator Trilogy warned us of hte outcome (haha) of such behaviors.

As far as youth, that is a difficult thing.  The odds are completely against you and the parents of those darling are usually mostly to blame...I have counceled many a youth through the realization that their parents have failed them, even through the church.  To this day I am told by at least a percentage of my parents "I want my kid to be a strong Christian, it is not something I have taught them, that is why I am glad you are here."  I have no choice but to explain to that parent the truth of what he or she has just stated...

Anyways, I think we will all ultimately fail at some point with our kids, I think that is vital for their benefit to see us react to our own failures and not just our successes.  My mentor restated to me today that the spiritual maturity of a man can never be seen by how "spiritual" the man is or by how well the man uses his spiritual giftings within the body.  I can do anything well that I am good at...and it says nothing of what I am inside.  But the spritual maturity is crystal clear when the man walks through trials...be them trials brought upon him externally or by trials he has laid before himself by previous decisions.

Our children need to see us successfully fail too and I give them plenty of chances unfortunately
Mike n Laura
November 23, 2007 at 10:31pm
I appreciate your humility Patrick, and that is sound advice, as well as an oxymoron! "Our children need to see us successfully fail" ..Really though, they do! And how we react when we go through these things is important!
Patrick Hazard
November 23, 2007 at 10:34pm
Yes sir
woman of laughter
November 24, 2007 at 6:07am
amen
Patrick Hazard
November 24, 2007 at 6:32am
Thanks restore and woman of joy, but this society makes it difficult I will tell you that
voice_in_dc
November 24, 2007 at 12:40pm
Patrick, I am totally in agreement with you. I see my family as my responsibility (in equal partnership with my wife). The balance is very hard to walk...and no matter how much we tell them, it really does boil down to our walk, doesn't it?  I like to see my kids be passionate about something - maybe that falls in your "time" account.  Their passions come and go because they are indeed still kids, but as they try them, they will succeed and fail. As important as it is for them to see us fail successfully, we need to let them experience it, too....and, IMHO, the younger the better.  Of course, I am not talking about raising a bunch of losers. To the contrary, I am talking about raising kids who can see trials as experiences that show God's glory...instead of having to wait until they are adults to know that.
Patrick Hazard
November 24, 2007 at 9:57pm
Ok, Voice, what is IMHO? 
Mike n Laura
November 24, 2007 at 10:22pm
in my humble opinion  = IMHO
in my opinion = IMO
in my not so humble opinion = IMNSHO
etc..
Patrick Hazard
November 25, 2007 at 5:16am
Got it...thanks.  WITFMTGTC

(Well its time for me to go to church)

I hope you guys have a great time today
Gene
November 28, 2007 at 5:55pm
Patrick, 
I'm late as I was out of town the past few days.  But, I've got to say that you hit the nail on the head.  Thanks for sharing - and reminding.  I'm sure you recall Harry Chapin's song "Cat's in the Cradle."  It made a significant impact on my attitude back in the 70's.  - just as your comments do today.
Patrick Hazard
November 28, 2007 at 9:21pm
Gene, that is a haunting song.  I am ashamed that I have to force myself to take time with my kids...that is my shame...but I do try as we all should.  I would rather deal with the shame than just not find the time anyday.  Funny thing is when we tickle on the hammock, my world and all my responsibilities dissappear...why in the world would I fight that??
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