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Love Sinner / Hate Sin ???
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Gene Boecker
December 08, 2007
Boy, Dave!  You get right into the meat of it.

It's not always easy to detach one from the other and yet that's what Jesus did time and time again.  I think the hardest part is taht we sometimes feel so enthusiastic about something that we aren't sure how to stop pointing fingers and start opening arms.

If you find a shortcut for this one, let me know.
MaKelly
December 08, 2007

DAVE I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION GREAT BLOG

I love the sinner but hate the sin, Jesus Loved me when I was a sinner, when I was in my mess, He save me.

JESUS, WHAT A FRIEND FOR SINNERS
J. Wilbur Chapman (1859–1918)

JESUS’ DETRACTORS accused Him of being a friend of tax collectors and sinners. They couldn’t have been more right. By sinners they meant those who had stopped trying to keep the law, those who had given up on the religious games of the Pharisees. Such “sinners” were shunned by the religious leaders, but Jesus spoke to them, ate with them, and befriended them.
In defense of His actions, Jesus said cryptically, “Wisdom is proved right by her actions” (Matthew 11:19). Certainly He backed this up with His own actions. As He said later, “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:13). That is precisely what He did for His friends, the sinners. Jesus gave His life so everyone can experience freedom from sin’s powerful grip.
As a pastor and evangelist, J. Wilbur Chapman knew the joy of seeing scores of sinners open their hearts to the Lord. As a believer himself, he knew firsthand the joy of a sinner finding a friend in Christ.

This ia a song Dave

COME, YE SINNERS, POOR AND NEEDY
Come, ye sinners, poor and needy,
Weak and wounded, sick and sore;
Jesus ready stands to save you,
Full of pity, love, and power;
He is able, He is able,
He is willing; doubt no more.

Now, ye needy, come and welcome;
God’s free bounty glorify;
True belief and true repentance,
Every grace that brings you nigh;
Without money, without money,
Come to Jesus Christ and buy.

Let not conscience make you linger,
Nor of fitness fondly dream;
All the fitness He requireth
Is to feel your need of Him:
This He gives you, this He gives you;
‘Tis the Spirit’s glimmering beam.

Come, ye weary, heavy laden,
Bruised and mangled by the Fall;
If you tarry till you’re better,
You will never come at all;
Not the righteous, not the righteous;
Sinners Jesus came to call.

MaKelly
December 08, 2007

JESUS, WHAT A FRIEND FOR SINNERS
Jesus! what a Friend for sinners!
Jesus! Lover of my soul;
Friends may fail me, foes assail me,
He, my Savior, makes me whole.

Jesus! what a Strength in weakness!
Let me hide myself in Him;
Tempted, tried, and sometimes failing,
He, my Strength, my vict’ry wins.

Jesus! what a Help in sorrow!
While the billows o’er me roll,
Even when my heart is breaking,
He, my Comfort, helps my soul.

Jesus! what a Guide and Keeper!
While the tempest still is high,
Storms about me, night o’ertakes me,
He, my Pilot, hears my cry.

Jesus! I do now receive Him,
More than all in Him I find,
He hath granted me forgiveness,
I am His, and He is mine.

DarkRadiance
December 08, 2007

Prayer of the Despised


Today we come to you, Lord, we, the despised. We are not a sorry procession, but a repugnant one. We do not even arouse compassion or hatred, tenderness or sympathy. We are simply despised; we disgust people. The leper arouses compassion. The fiercest criminal stirs up hatred or terror. The mentally ill or the retarded inspire pity or protectiveness. But there is no place reserved for us in the catalogue of the works of mercy.

I, Lord, am a drug addict; for all practical purposes, I have resigned from the human race, I have lost all hope of regaining my self-control, of becoming myself again. There are other people who have drugged, not their bodies, but their consciences and hearts. But nobody despises them. At worst, they are feared. I

, Lord, am a homosexual. I don’t like women. Now and then, I go with another man. I commit fewer sins than my brother who certainly does like women and who even takes up with other men’s wives. But no one at home or outside turns their nose up at him; they don’t find him repugnant; on the contrary, sometimes they even admire him. But everyone, both men and women, shy away from me. And I am acceptable only to someone who, like me, also feels that he has been cast off by normal society.

I, Lord, am a drunkard, but a poor one. I’ve been on the bottle for many years. They don’t want me at home because they’re ashamed of me, and so I’m left to stagger around the streets like a sick dog. When people see me coming, they hastily cross to the other side of the street. Even a beggar occasionally has the consolation of having someone approach him and although hurriedly, put a small coin in his hand. But nobody comes near me; except perhaps a policeman to hustle me off to jail.
Yet, Lord, there are others who also get drunk, but they do it at exclusive parties in the suburbs and, because they are influential, people only laugh good-naturedly at their drunken antics. They are readily forgiven and, if necessary, excuses are found for them by their hangers-on, who cover up for them. No policeman ever lays a finger on them. I wonder-am I more repugnant when drunk than they are, just because I get loaded on cheap wine, while they do it on expensive whiskey, vodka, and gin.


I, Lord, am a prostitute. I can’t claim to be one of the girls, not any more. Because now I’m old and fat and tired. I have no one now to pay the rent of an apartment for me and buy me nice things. I am one of those who have to be satisfied with what my “customers” feel like giving them. I no longer have a nice apartment to entertain my clients in, and I don’t have money to advertise in the newspapers as a “masseuse”. I have to be satisfied with hanging around cheap bars in the slums or street corners in the cold and rain, hoping some poor wretch will be willing to pay me a few coins for the remnants of my favors. People passing in their cars look down their noses at me and quickly turn away so as not to meet my eyes. I am despised even by the high class call girls who, glittering with jewels and wrapped in furs, glide by in big cars driven by their so-very-respectable “patrons”.

We and so many others whom society does not even pity; we the despised of the earth, who arouse neither hatred nor pity nor fear, but only disgust, today we come to you, who are sinless, because we believe that, if you do exist, you will not despise but will even forgive us.
We aren’t trying to hide or to make excuses for the sins that have caused us to be cast off by society. We only hope that perhaps you, who not only forgive, but also excuse, will be able to avoid humiliating us further and to tell us, as once you told a man possessed by the devil, that saving us will let others see your glory and mercy in us.

Remember, you said you came to save what is lost. And who is more lost than we who do not even arouse pity? Sometimes a ray of hope lets us dream for a moment that perhaps you may bring yourself to love even us.

-Father Juan Arias

Mike n Laura
December 08, 2007
Dave, I don't even know if it's our "job" to "hate the sin". Hate is more of an emotion anyway, so I think that rather than trying to intentionally convey hatred for our dear brother's sin, we ought to simply concentrate on sharing God's holy love. And if the love for God is genuine, then the hate for sin will be just as genuine, b/c it is sin that separates us from God. Does this make sense? Just a couple of thoughts. ~mike
Kathy
December 08, 2007
Ditto what Mike said.

"Hate the sin, love the sinner" is cliche and almost always empty words.  We are much better at hating the sin than we are loving the sinner.  As Mike said, if we are in a close loving relationship with God, and allow Him to love others through us, He will convict where conviction is needed.  Ours is to share God's love with them.  Dave, your mere question shows that you understand this more than most!
Dennis Howe
December 08, 2007
Dave,
Maybe that phrase relates more to ourselves than others. I mean, for myself, I also find that I have to learn to hate my own sin, I can;t afford to look at others sin and make any kind of judgement whatsoever, because I know how little I hate my own sin. Anytime I hear a great story of someone who loved people into the kingdom, i find that stor to sleak about love that touches the heart of someone who is seeking love in the wrong places. Sin is way too often peoples attempt to find comfort, acceptance, or in a warped way, love. I know even for myself sin way too often is a result of my own search for feeling good, even though it doesn't often accomplish that goal. Anyway, I ramble, friendship and love is often the only hope to those locked in that area of sin...
My $.02....
Jeff Lewis
December 08, 2007
Jesus loved sinners enough to heal them even before they were saved. That's compassion!
Forgiven
December 09, 2007
I know a person who was delivered from some terrible things 'before' he was saved! It was an awesome and beautiful work of the Lord...and only the Lord. A few weeks later he accepted Christ's death for his salvation! He has remained in the faith for 12 years and is a shining example of the work of Jesus and His Spirit and of God the Father in a broken life! This person is my husband!

Cathy
Forgiven
December 09, 2007
Loving the sinner to me means that In my heart I know what I am capable of...so when I look at one who is struggling...I think about what Jesus did for me. I may not understand what they are going through, but I rest in the fact that He loves them SO MUCH that He died for them too. What a beautiful mystery!

I love your blogs!

Cathy
dave buckingham
December 09, 2007
Yup I suppose Jesus words from the cross say it all.  Father forgive them for they know not what to do.

Thanks one and all for the comments.
Voice in DC
December 12, 2007
All great responses to a great question Dave.  I have found it very hard to know how to walk the walk.  The most Christlike thing to do would be to love them in their sin, but we aren't all that Christlike most of the time and I am not sure we can be.  We have to understand our own limits, draw our own lines, then ask God to help us grow. In a different example, would I invite a person who is a thief into my house to stay while I am away? I think not. Is that hating them?  I don't think so...sometimes it is simply the consequences of their sin.  I think it is hard to walk that walk - especially when that person is someone we love.