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Holy Discontent
I left a comment on another blog a few days ago stating that I have found myself in a place of what I call “Holy Discontent”. What is Holy discontent? That’s a great question. I wish I had a great answer, but I don’t. Allow me to share a couple of things that are on my mind to try and explain. Please, feel free to chime in and offer your opinions.
Let me start by saying that I realize that a majority of what I am about to say is complaining. That’s not like me. I am an upbeat, positive person, most of the time. I know how the Lord feels in regards to murmuring and complaining. But I think there is a huge difference between complaining to God about the condition of one’s life, than there is to complaining about the condition of the church, that is, the worldly church.
I also want to say to those of you who know me from Victory World; this is not, in any way, directly related to Victory World or their staff.
First and foremost, I am just sick and tired of religion. I am sick and tired of people wearing masks. I have had it with falsehood. I have had it with having to follow some specific set of manmade rules, guidelines, and programs, just to have a place of worship to my Lord.
I am so ready for Christianity to break outside the walls of a building. I see the churches packed full on Sunday but rarely do I even bump into a Christian, at least one that I can tell, during the week. Maybe it’s me. Maybe I am just the outcast. Maybe I have separated myself so far from the world that I no longer fit in. But wait a minute. Isn’t that what we as Christians are supposed to do? Separate ourselves from the world?
I know, we are in this world but not of this world. That can be a very slippery slope. Yes, I am in this world. But I don’t fit in. In order for me to fit in, there would have to be parts of me that conform. I don’t want to conform. We are commanded to transform, not conform.
Many churches today are conforming. Relativity. We change the message to be relative to the state of the world today. That’s hogwash! Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Grass withers and flowers fade, but the Word of God will stand forever. We are not supposed to alter the message to fit the “today” lifestyle. We are supposed to be altering our lifestyle to fit the message. It sickens me.
There are too many churches preaching a “feel good” message. Where in the Word does it ever say we are to feel good? Rejoice, yes. But rejoice because our sins have been atoned for. Rejoice because Jesus took our place. Rejoice because by his sacrifice we now have peace with God. There is a huge difference between rejoicing and having our egos pumped up.
Many of the messages today are “how do we make our lives better”, “How do we succeed”, “How do we prosper”. I hear messages that start with one verse being quoted, followed by 45 minutes of how to make your life better; man-made messages that really are nothing more than psychological. Everything we need to live Godly lives, is contained in God’s Word. If you are going to preach, preach the Word. All of it!
I have been hearing the Spirit of God speak to me about church for several months now. I am hearing him say that he wants me to break free from organized Christianity. How does one do that? I already feel isolated enough. How can we break outside of the modern day church yet still fellowship with other believers? Yes, this site is great. I love the relationships that I can sense building with some of you. But I miss worshipping with other believers.
The one thing I do like about the modern church is corporate worship. Of course, I am speaking of the music and I know worship is much, much more than just music. But there is something very powerful about a large group of people singing out to the Lord, hands lifted high with thankful hearts. I just don’t like the part where we sing three songs, stop abruptly, hear a 30 minute “make me feel good message”, then just leave like nothing ever happened. Back to our worldly lives we go. |
Today I visited a new church. I really felt like God was calling me to go. It was a medium-sized church, probably 300 or so in attendance. I was welcomed with warmth at the door and was introduced to several people. I though, ok, this is nice. My regular church has approximately 1,500 each service. Then it was time for praise and worship. The songs were great; at least the lyrics were. But the place was dead. It was so flat I could not believe it. Here I am, arms flung high, doing all I can not to shout at the top of my lungs in praise! I really felt like an outcast. These people barely even clapped. I thought, “how can you all stand here in the very presence of our creator and just mumble these incredible love songs to God?” Then after the songs, when the pastor stepped on stage, there was a huge applause, almost like they were praising and worshipping him.
Now, I am confused even more. I thought surely that the Lord had led me there. Maybe I was sent there to bring some enthusiasm. Maybe that’s why I am supposed to go? I really don’t know.
Brothers and sisters, forgive me for complaining. But I really have some things that are bothering me. I need to vent and this seems like the only place I can do so. Tell me about your church experience. Tell me; how I can serve, fellowship, learn, teach, grow, worship, and obey outside of a church? I’d really like to know.
Thanks, I’m done! Michael |
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Michael-
All I can say is I have been in the place you are in for about 7 years. We have just found a place that we call home and feel with God's grace we could be there forever. I had about 3 keys I was looking for but fellowship was always missing. All I can say is pray, follow the Spirit, and just trust that the Lord will direct your steps. He loves you and wants you in a place to grow, fellowship, and serve more than you do. He will lead you! Pray much! |
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Libia |
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December 16, 2007 at 1:10pm |
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| Michael some time in my life I also sought in several churches something that can only find in a secret place of my room, the churches consider defects the humans consider defects but I I decided to put me in position to receive and to live for grace enjoying my life as the Christian. you are a good Christian you need to put in position to enjoy and to receive. When I was very young I sought defects in the churches, one day my mother told me do not look at the human beings looks to God.. Good bless you Michael |
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Thanks Jeff. I am glad to know that I am not the only one who's in this place. God will lead me, I am certain of that. I really thought that today was his direction. Maybe it was? Who knows? I think I may have just built up to high of an expectation. The thing is, I am not looking for a church based on what it can do for me, yet what can I do for the church. Perhaps I return next week. I will pray, lots. I appreciate your input.
Libia - Hello my friend. I am so happy that you have your family here. That is a true blessing. I hear what you are saying Libia, and I agree. I have great times of worship and prayer right here in my apartment, or anywhere, all by myself. But still, something is missing. It's relationships. It's hard to explain. I guess that why I entitled this blog "discontent" . Thank you Libia. I miss you. |
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December 16, 2007 at 1:52pm |
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| I first want to say that I belong to a great church. I have talked to you about it before. Around 350 people...like family to me. But when I stand up in front of the congregation leading songs of praise, I get frustrated. So few sing, that it just seems sad! Some will sing the hymns, but not the newer songs...some will sing the newer songs but not the hymns. I personally love them all. They are a time for me to praise and worship my Lord and Savior, and I want to sing at the top of my lungs and do. Why don't others sing? Why aren't they out in the aisle dancing in praise? The only thing I can tell you is what I have been told. Not everyone likes to sing...not everyone likes to dance. Most people are inhibited in their worship because they think they look funny or sound too much off key. They don't feel as though they can just lose it with reckless abandon while praising God. I admit I have some inhibitions too, but I love to sing...and that is the best way for me to show my praise. I have belonged to a church that has been dead spiritually. I visited one also, and there is definitely a feeling that you get when you are among that type of situation. When you are in a church that is alive with singing, you can just feel the excitement in the air. That is what I want to feel every Sunday that I go to church, but it doesn't always happen. Today, we sang Silent Night, and I felt the goosebumps on my arms...the last verse was without any instruments playing, and it was magical. That is the way it should be all the time, but the fact of the matter is, it just isn't. |
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December 16, 2007 at 2:28pm |
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Hey, Michael! I know of your frustration. Been there; done that. In a great place now, but it was a long time coming. (In the interim, God kept me in a church that was full of nice people and devoid of His Spirit, or at least close enough to totally Spiritless that it felt deader than a doornail.) I have some thoughts on all this, but want to think things through B4 I write them (or discard them!). For the moment, let me just say that I think God probably did send you to that other church. That doesn't necessarily mean that's where He wants you to go, though, does it? I'm sure you will be seeking Him re: that and I will be praying for you, brother, that discernment and peace will be yours as you figure out this whole thing. Blessings to you! |
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Deb, The Lord spoke to me as I was reading your comment, which I appreciate by the way. He said that the reason people do not sing is because their hearts are hardened. Then he brought me to this verse:
Proverbs 25:20 Singing cheerful songs to a person with a heavy heart is like taking someone’s coat in cold weather or pouring vinegar in a wound.
Hardened hearts. That's sad. Which is part of my point. The only thing that can soften the hearts of people towards God, is the Word of God. As a man thinketh, so is he.
This kind of lines up with the following comment I left on one of Mike's blogs:
--------------Here's the comment------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "what we focus on grows" WOW!
Does anyone else here listen to Andrew Wommack?
Andrew tends to draw a lot of controversy because he speaks against religion so much. But in my opinion, he has some great messages. One of his messages entitled "Hardness of Heart" says the exact thing that Jay mentioned. Andrew says it like this:
"First, whatever you consider, your heart becomes softened toward. Conversely, whatever you fail to consider, your heart becomes hardened to."
As a man thinketh, so is he!
Andrew has a great audio series on this topic for those who are interested.
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That's a great point Abbas.....I guess I sometimes make the same mistake that many of us do; I expect everyone to believe and express their belief as I do. Big mistake. Need to work on that!
Thanks! |
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December 16, 2007 at 4:32pm |
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| Awesome Post! |
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Cyn |
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December 16, 2007 at 4:36pm |
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| Holy discontent prevents believers from thinking they have ever spiritually arrived. Jesus made it clear that the people who would experience true righteousness are those who hungered and thirsted for it Mt.5:6. Holy discontent impassions us to press on in all areas of our Christian walk. Oh, that we might cry out daily, "My soul thirsts for God, for the living God" Ps. 42:2 |
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Wow Cyn!
Words of wisdom indeed!
Thanks! |
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December 16, 2007 at 5:08pm |
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I sit in the front row at services so I can sing as loud as I want and not disturb anyone. (Ain't no way anyone can hear me over the speakers.) I can carry a tune, but sometimes my voice cracks and sometimes I'm "talking back to God" about what we're singing, (affirming, as it were), and I'd rather do that in the front where it won't bother anyone. I don't care how I sound; I'm big on "making a joyful noise". As David said, "I'll become even more undignified than this." It just needs to be real, and He is certainly worthy of what little I can offer in musical praise to Him!  |
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| You sound like my husband. You are not alone in your feelings, Michael. I am tired of the same old same old. the only place I felt really at home was at the Harvest House, where they had the street ministry and Shekinah Christian fellowship. So rough around the edges, and ppl going in and out for smokes during the entire service, and drunk and stoned ppl walking in off the street.......oh, I LOVED IT!!! I miss it!!! One day I was sitting there, and this big biker guy comes in off the street, and sat down beside me. During the sermon, he asked Cal (the founder of HH) where he could get "One of them books" (The Bible). Cal said he could have his after the service. I hugged the guy that day, and found out later how notorious he was in the area (he has killed and is in a "gang" of sorts). What an awesome thing! Where are these ppl who need us? No where near our church. They probably will never get saved in a church....which is why we need to get out there! I got saved in a small house church with about 6 ppl, and I had gone to church and never got saved. Man, Michael....just keep fulfilling the great commision and bringing them in, and keep seeking God for where He wants you. And that service today; who's to say that your presence there wasn't for more than even one soul? One soul is precious to God. Maybe it had nothing to do with you, and everything to do with someone else. For their benefit and not yours. Okay, I am writing a book here. Sorry. |
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Lara, can I get a book-bound printed version of that comment?
I am hearing you. One of the guys from my church called me out of the blue today just to say that someone else told him that my calling was to be "a fire starter"
Maybe that's it? Maybe I am supposed to be letting my worship rub off on others and get the fire going again?
I spent 8 months living in a mission house with 30 addicts. That was awesome! I saw people that could not even say the name "Jesus" when they came in. I mean literally, they could not get that word out of their mouth. But after a couple months, they were standing up praising His Holy Name at the top of their lungs!
Somthing is about to birth, I just know it! |
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Yes! I hear ya, Michael! There was a young fella, and he stunk...hadn't had a shower in God knows how long...and he was violent and his eyes were blank and cold. And I told him "Jesus loves you!" And he told me, "#*&!@___bleep bleep!!" You get the point. He did. And a few days later, he had a light in his eyes and a different countenance and he says to me, "Hey Lara! Jesus loves you!" I said, "You're kidding me, right?" No, really--that's what I said! I was so flabberghasted! Firestarter....yeah. Perhaps that is true. it only takes a spark. It only takes one. |
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Hi Kim!
It's amazing how many people seem to be in this same place. Aside from comments on this blog, I have had several emails expressing the very same thing.
I just added Surely Shirley as a friend! She sent me a great message. You are fortunate to have a great sister in your life. But then again, so is she!
I keep believing Kim that soon I will have a wife standing beside me worshipping God. But I'm not going to let my singleness stop me from chasing God!
Thanks for dropping in! |
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Restore, Andrew has hundreds of messages as free downloads on his website. They are MP3 files. Just in case you don't know what those are, most of the time you can just click on them and they will play.
Not everyone can recieve from Andrew. But I do. Bigtime. It takes a minute to get past his Texas twang, which even he says, and you have to hear him long enough to know where he is coming from, but the revelation he has regarding the Word is awesome!
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Great blog Michael, and lots of excellent comments already, too! I love Deb's comment particularly. I soooo identify with her feelings!!
As for your experience today, it certainly doesn't necessarily mean the Lord didn't lead you there. You sought his guidance fiercely on this one, plus you had prayer support. I think we have reason to believe that at least the chances are very good that he did lead you there. Perhaps just to write this blog! (Though I think we both would like to think there's more to it than that!)
This is an amazing statement you made: "we are supposed to be altering our lifestyle to fit the message." Also "transform, not conform." God calls us to be different, to be holy as he is holy. Is it possible to be infectiously holy? (The kind of holiness that other people want?) I think the odds of that are best inside a church!
I too know dissatisfaction in my church. We do not stay at our church b/c we love everything about it....we have (selfish) preferences and expectations not being met. But God has clearly put us in this church for a season, maybe many. Until it becomes clear to us that he wants us to leave, we're staying. In the meantime that will mean a little dissatisfaction mixed in with the joy. (Dang this comment is getting long, sorry!!) Ok, I'll step aside and keep reading what your other readers have to say. God bless! ~mike |
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| Mike, your blog reminded me of "God's Holy Discontent" , when we (mankind) were lost in our sins. I will forever be thankful that HE didn't allow Himself to be content with our situation, but instead He did something about it. There is such a balance between contentment and NOT SETTLING for less than His best for us. Oh, and I can sure relate to your present (hopefully temporary) situation. God bless you ! |
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WOW Thanks Michale for pointing me here, I feel sooo muc better!!! I go for me and my growth. I sing all the songs even though I can't sing or hold a tune.LOL I guess I just had "expectaions" of what I thought it would be like! I know I am going for the right reasons, and it is a bible based church and I am learning at my pace! I am not there to memorize scripture, but to FEEL His presance in me! Which I do and I have blogged on that , as I do cry. How awesome is our God!!!! Agaian thank you and thank u all that posted here!!!!
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