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Children WANT to believe (in Santa)
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dave buckingham
December 25, 2007
Ther's the solution Mike Prayer.  We serve an awsome God who can and will compete even against MTV.  I suspect your youguns will want to know what manifested in there Dad.

Blessings to you and yours.  Christmas morning reflected in a childs face is still awsome.
dave buckingham
December 26, 2007
OH I think the Peanuts Christmas Classic really spoke to the Christmas Spirit.
Mike n Laura
December 26, 2007
Dave, wasn't that Peanuts cartoon spectacular??? Do they make shows for kids like that anymore? (quoting scripture and all?)
Cheryl Whit
December 26, 2007
This is great~My mom tells of a story of remembering her grandmother praying for her.  That prayer taught my mom to pray for her children and now my sister and I pray for our children.  Our moment-by-moment walk in this world would be so much different if it wasn't for prayer and our moment-by-moment walk with Jesus. 
Donna S
December 26, 2007

Wonderful blog!!! Loves the peanuts Classic !!! My Pastor watches it ever Christmas day( Tradition he told us)
God Bless

Normally Norm
December 26, 2007

A couple of weeks back there was a broadcast that talked about how even in this country less than 200 years ago, Christians wanted to ban Christmas because of the anarchy that happened on December 25th.  There were two influences that turned things around credited.  You can somewhat guess at what one of those is based on the subject matter above.

I never thought I'd be interested in history, but the more I read/listen the more I realize that things are not always what they seem.  And things that we think happened a long time ago, happened not that long ago.

Anyways... You can find the broadcast here.  It's a two hour broadcast, but the "Origins of Christmas" is only appoximately the first 20 minutes.  Absolutely fascinating stuff given what we think of today (in many cases) as destroying Christmas.

Ronnie's blog
December 26, 2007
     I can so remember the mornings of Christmas so long ago when my children would come down the stairs with eyes falling out of their little heads. Ol' dad would be up at dawn setting up the lights to capture it on film and i would have to wait hours before the sleepyheads would finally roll out of bed. (not like when i was a kid) My son would sit on a chair in the living-room and squeeze his eyes like it would get him to sleep real fast. the laughs that rebounded over the home that night of nights. I would be up till just before dawn putting toys together and finding bolts (extras I guess) and, at one time. The brake for my son's "big wheels" ha ha!! I hid it and called the company the next day because the clip to put it on would have had to be taken off and it would not be driven that day. My girls with their dolls and "Easy Bake Ovens." The wrappers" flying in the air and the great laughs I will never forget. one Christmas, I went out to look at the roof and came back in claiming, Santa would never be aloud there again because of the mess his reindeer made on my roof. the look on my kids face was precious. I held back my laughter as long as I could.
The reading from the Bible was a given on that day though. I would never let them know reality.
There greatest memories you will have of your children. some day you will know just how blessed you are now. merry Christmas!!
Mike n Laura
December 26, 2007
Thanks Golden, those are indeed charming memories. Thanks for sharing!

Norm, I'll try to catch that video today, sounds fascinating (I love history).

Thanks Denise, Cheryl, Diana, and amen Paul!
LorenDP
December 26, 2007
Wow.  What great thoughts.  Even Christ said that we need to approach with faith like a child.  You are so right when you say that we complicate things.  This is something that I've tried to foster in our children....the simplicity of faith....the simplicity of the "good news" of Christ and his sacrifice. 
Lourdes Morales
December 26, 2007
Mike n Laura,

In the last two years we’ve lost three loved one.  My husband's father died living such a strong empty feeling in the family, and then last Christmas his oldest brother passed away. This summer he lost his only brother in law to cancer.  The concept of death has been very hard for my kids, very hard. In my kids’ mind are so many questions: Why couldn’t Jesus heal them or protect them? You see...  It is easier for a child to believe in Santa, because “WE” make sure that everything that comes from him is good and only happiness and joy is left after his visit.  With Jesus, his joy and happiness is there regardless of pain, because pain is part of life.  With Jesus, His love is unconditional, but there is an expected behavior of self denial, spiritual discipline, and sacrifice that is hard for kids to understand. 

Mike n Laura, it is taking me many years to learn that God is awesome regardless of pain, and I’ve been a believer since childhood.  I just pray that my boys learn to see Jesus’ love and mercy in spite of the ugliness of sin in less time.  I pray they come to love and believe HIM for what He is “a Loving Father who gives the best gifts to His children.”

Thank you for this blog.  Hope Santa was as good to you and your wife as he was with your kids, because I know Jesus was, is and will be good to your family, as He’s always been.

Have a wonderful 2008!

 

Sue
December 26, 2007
Funny Mike,  We had the same thing happen, yet with a different response.  We really laid it on the line and told the girls very clearly that St. Nick was a man.  Still one day Jamie says, "Mommy, do we have a chimney?"  I said, "No."  And she said, "Well then how can Santa get in our house to bring the presents?"  I guess the TV was more convincing than Mommy and Daddy :)  But we set it straight.  Another star-worthy post brother! 
Honoray Joseph
December 26, 2007
My baby girl (6 years old) asked a lot of questions once I got her to understand that it is Jesus' birthday. She asked "how old he is and is he going to make a wish on his birthday, and is he going to come to our house on his birthday?" I told her how old he was when he died for us and that he is always in our house and his wish is that we love each other and that everyone would ask him in their hearts and grow to know him more and more every day.  Santa kinda paled in comparison to her fascination about Jesus and his birthday.  Im excited about that. What an unexpected gift her fascination was.

 Blessings to you. This was an awesome post.
Mike n Laura
December 26, 2007
Thanks Sue! Doggone, I'm telling you, there was sooo much evidence yesterday of the truth of Christmas, if my kids had wanted to do some simple mental sleuthing. It's just so darn adorable! I don't worry a bit that suggestions of Santa will one day make it difficult to believe in Jesus - the evidence for the truth of our Lord is about 1000 times better. Great post Sue, good to hear how your kids handle it.

Loren, great comment, thanks! I pray you find success in sharing the simple truths about Jesus. What's complicated isn't the Gospel, it's the situations our sins put us in....

Lourdes, oh what a meaty comment!! I too (mike) like you have been a believer since childhood, though I now question the authenticity of my own salvation up to my late 20's. And it seems that simple truths finally dawned on me after all that time. Why so long??? Didn't I want to believe? Maybe not. I suppose there were other higher priorities for me then. I'm so glad God finally got through to me.

There are a few things that make belief in Santa very enticing to children. He accepts their selfishness, and even feeds it. He doesn't ask them to follow him or give anything up. Santa only sees what kids want him to see (he asks them if they behaved all year, what trust!)...

But then, Jesus accepts us despite our selfishness too. Sure, he says to follow him, but don't we want to anyway once we've fallen in love with him, realizing how much he's done for us? And sure, Jesus doesn't take our word for whether or not we've been naughty or nice, but he befriended us in spite of those things he knows we've done wrong. Besides, God through Jesus has removed our transgressions from us as far as the east is from the west (Psa 103)!! Is it better for someone not to know about our sins at all, or to know and love us in spite of them??? Seems to me the message is, both Santa and Jesus are wonderful, but Jesus is far greater!
Bernie Kruger
December 26, 2007
When your kids are a bit older

Santa Claus from and engineering prespective.

1.
There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world, however since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15%, or 378 million (according to the population reference bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each.

2.
Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say, that for every Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000 of a second to park his sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which of course, we know is false, but will accept for the purpose of calculations). We are talking about 1.25 Km. per household, a total of 120.8 million Km., not counting bathroom stops or breaks. This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 1040 Km. per second....3000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 43.8 Km. per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 25 Km. per hour.

3.
The pay load of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds, even granting that the "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them...Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).

4.
600,000 tons traveling at 1040 Km. per second creates enormous air resistance...this would heat up the lead reindeer in the same fashion as a space shuttle re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporised within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 1040 k p s in .001 seconds, would be subjected to centrifugal forces of 17,500 G's. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo.

5.
Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now.
Cheryl
December 26, 2007
A wonderful blog thank you for sharing your heart.  I pray that our children will run to the arms of Jesus and receive all of the wonderful gifts He has to offer.  Happy New Year.
Mike n Laura
December 26, 2007
SSA, that's precisely the kind of thing we need to drive kids away from St Nick, lol

Lara, your dad really did that??? OMGosh! lol ...One year we donated a fake tree to a youth group that Lau.. and I were helping out with, it was a handmedown from my family, used maybe 15yrs. The youth leader wouldn't take it, he called it the ultimate Charlie Brown xmas tree!! I admit I was pretty offended....it was good enough for my family all those years, and good enough for Lau.. and I for a couple more! But alas, now I look back and laugh!

Thanks Cheryl!! And Honoray, I agree...Jesus is similar to Santa in some ways only far greater!
Chandra Cooley
December 26, 2007
Amen.
rosie burns
December 26, 2007
MIKE THIS WAS GREAT I COULD SEE YOUR KIDS SITTING THERE WAITING FOR THE WORD.....I MISS HAVING SMALL KIDS HERE ON CHRISTMAS MORN IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME WHEN THEY GROW UP AND MOVE OUT.....THERE'S SOMETHING WONDERFUL ABOUT THE JOY THAT KIDS BRING WHEN THEY SEE WHAT THAT JOLLY OLE MAN HAS LEFT.......I EVEN MISS THEY CREEPING INTO OUR ROOM AND  BEING JUMPED ON BY ALL THREE JUST SHORTLY AFTER GETTING TO BED FROM PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.....
Connie Radomski
December 26, 2007
Seeker SA, that comment of yours made me laugh and laugh it was so droll.
Santa is as wonderful and enjoyable as fairy tales, the Easter bunny and the Tooth Fairy for little kids. They need fantasy to develop their imaginations...they play and learn. That is their stage of life. But when they become mature, they put away childish things.
That is what is a little strange about America...we keep our kids in the role of children much longer than the rest of the world, despite their physically maturing earlier and earlier...with no significant tasks, no real responsibilities, no clear progress toward a rite of passage event and celebration of their adulthood...until they get married (and sometimes they remain emotionally and financially dependent even then.)
I loved reading the lore about Santa, even though I saw through the whole thing in the first grade.
It is part of the literary cultural heritage of Western civilization. MY heritage, despite all my fascination with India right now. But it WAS interesting to find out that the Pilgrims BANNED Christmas as Catholic based on paganism. (They were Puritans...opposites, vying for power in which state religion would dominate their country).  My husband (who never forgets a fact) says Jesus was born in April but the Pope decided to change the birthdate of Christ to take advantage of the pagans who were celebrating on Dec. 25th...a sort of consolidation of celebrations. The Pilgrims also disliked the ostentatious Baroque organs and fancy, decorated churches of Europe...settling for simple unaccompanied singing of Isaac Watts rhymed Psalms set to a few hymn tunes they knew.  Later in the Revolutionary days, instruments like the violin and harpsichord came over on ships, but Christmas still hadn't caught on.  It was only until the mid- 1800s when parents started regarding children, not so much as little adults to be counted on as workers to maintain the family's survival, but as special blessings to be protected and nurtured.
 A new concept! In the Victorian Age, Christmas trees laden with presents tied to the branches and lit by real candles for a short time, were made popular in England by Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.
Santa was popularized in the poem "Twas the Night before Christmas" and we were on our way.
Jen Rebo
December 26, 2007

The big difference that I see between Santa's "gifts" and Jesus' gift?  The first has to be earned and the second is truly a gift.  Parents are forever telling their children, "Be good, or you'll only get ''switches or coal' or some other 'bad' gift from Santa this year."  With Santa, we try to be good to get the gift.  With Jesus, we need to acknowledge how bad (sinful) we really are in order to get the gift.  No sin = no need of a Savior, right?  As we believers know, the gift from God of His Son cannot be earned, although many religions promote that very idea.  And I think that man - in his humanness - prefers the idea of earning it, rather than taking it for what it really is.  By attempting to earn it, man gets to be in control. 

And you are right, Mike, that we often promote the concept of earning our salvation (or at least earning God's approbation) to our children through duty fulfilled, achievements, etc.  I know I've done that with my kids in the past.  

When my kids were little, they got in trouble with two different neighborhood moms for telling their kids that Santa wasn't real.  :-O  (I had to tell my kids not to share their "no-Santa" sentiments unless directly asked!)

We never promoted the idea of Santa.  We wanted our kids to know that the gifts for them under the tree were given by real people, ie. relatives and friends and us, their parents, people who were willing to spend their money and time (on the shopping and on working for the $) on the kids just because they loved them and wanted to bless them in the giving.  Isn't that the true heart of our Father?  He gives good gifts just because He loves us, no strings attached!

Most excellent points, Lourdes, re: the goodness of God and His gifts, regardless of what it looks like!

Great Scriptures in this blog, Mike!  Don't they just make you giddy with the magnitude of the gift they refer to?!   He is awesome!!  

 

 

Mike n Laura
December 26, 2007
Cj, thanks! Rachel, I really appreciate hearing from you!

Connie, very interesting input! I agree, in some ways America does keep our kids in the role of kids much longer than perhaps we should. Heck, some kids never grow up! They play video games well into adulthood, avoid responsibility, play play play! But the funny thing is....we dump adult subject matter on our children at younger and younger ages. Young girls are sexualized by the clothes parents allow them to wear, foul language is common in the young, smoking, gangs, and violence are commonplace, etc. Never thought of it before Connie, but there are some incredibly mixed messages there!! In the face of this, I'll take Santa any day! But better yet, give them Jesus!!!

Jen
, that is precisely the kind of input I have learned to count on from you. Amazing insights! Especially liked "man - in his humanness - prefers the idea of earning it". This is really deep! And when you look at the religious landscape out there, it becomes obvious that this is true! Christianity is scorned, I'm sure partially b/c the ultimate prize is.......a gift!!  You're right Jen, it makes me giddy! :-)
Procyon
December 27, 2007
Forgive me, I am a Dissenter. There is simply no connection between Santa Claus and Jesus. Absolutely no connection between Santa and God. Santa Claus is a travesty.
I come from a culture and environment, where Christian children in my church are very happy with Jesus and simply do not relate to Santa at all. In Sunday School, they are taught about Jesus and they have come to love the Bible, the Gospels, the Church and Jesus. Some of the children are born again. I have never seen a born again child relate to Santa.
Sorry for saying all this, but I need to keep the record straight, especially for my large evangelical church and many evangelical churches like mine. If some denominations are infatuated with Santa, that is their business and they will have to explain the Christ at the Day of Reckoning. But the hundreds, nay thousands, of children I have seen in my church and my assemblies over the years simple love Jesus [as He is in the Bible, and as some of them are experiencing in real life!]. I believe this is true of the believers in the large underground church in China also.
Mike n Laura
December 27, 2007
procyon, your comment is actually very encouraging to hear! I'm glad that the Christian children in your culture (specifics withheld) are so fascinated by the birth of baby Jesus!!!

I had thought Santa Claus' appeal to be universal, but I appear to be mistaken. Maybe he's only celebrated in certain cultures?

Also, PLEASE don't misunderstand what I (and others) have written - no one has said there is a connection between Santa and Jesus. The two are separate, unrelated persons. I merely drew certain parallels between them. In the USA, Santa is simply one of the symbols of Christmas, whose role happens to be exaggerated by non-Christians who don't share in the joy of Jesus' birth. I see nothing wrong with Santa playing a subordinate role at Christmastime, either.

ps... Dissenting is always allowed! :-)
Deb Rockwell
December 27, 2007
This is a great blog Mike, and very thought provoking.  My second grade teacher told our class that there was no Santa.  It made a lot of people very upset.  I chose to continue to believe in Santa, because somehow, things magically appeared under the tree at Christmas.  I didn't know who Santa was, and maybe he wasn't real, but someone put those presents there, and it was still loads of fun!
Jen Rebo
December 27, 2007
I remember being told, as a new believer, how the name Santa was Satan (just scrambled) and Claus was Lucas (a form of Lucifer, also scrambled).    :-D  Insert "Jaws" or "Psycho" theme music here...
sara burnette
December 27, 2007
Seen a comic strip for Better or Worse one time that had these middle school kids in a video store looking at the Christmas movie titles of all these scary perverse Santa flicks,and 1 video of The Charlie Brown Christmas & this group of 5or 6 kids excitedly,unanimoulsy chose the Charlie Brown video.Kids want something good and true to believe in,& it I think they will naturally pull toward God, especially if they are introduced to Him at a young age.   
Mike n Laura
December 27, 2007
Thanks Deb! I would have been very disturbed as a kid if my second grade teacher pulled something like that! But that sort of reinforces the point I made...kids want to believe in Santa, despite the naysayers and the evidence...

Jen, that's amusing, but kinda sad too Satan Lucas, eh? Stuff like that is what gives Christians a bad name. (Yes, I can hear the music!)

racunpoodle, the younger the better!! I read one guide on parenting that emphasized establishing a child's spiritual foundation by the age of TWO. Like I always say, brainwash em if you have too, whatever it takes to reinforce wise choices and an eternal perspective in life.
Cheryl Whit
December 27, 2007
We still have a Charlie Brown christmas tree~I love it; the tree leans and has duct-tape on it!!!
Great Blog!!!
dave buckingham
December 28, 2007

That is sad Jen.  I kind of liked a little Santa worshipping Jesus in manger sculpture I saw once.  I think that reading of scripture by Linus is amongst the most awsome TV ever.

Jen Rebo
December 28, 2007
The only Christmas CD we played at our Christmas Eve party was "A Charlie Brown Christmas".  Love the music; love the video!  I get choked up when Linus quotes the Scripture.
Mike n Laura
December 28, 2007
Wow, there's actually a CD for "A Charlie Brown Christmas"? Cool! We must get a copy.
sara burnette
December 28, 2007
I didn't know it until a postman in our post office told me.I bought Snoopy stamps one time and it came up in conversation.Turned out he was a Christian man & was having a rough day that day.He mailed me a copy with no return address,no name or anything.I was baffled for a bit,but figured it out eventually.All 5 of our kids agree& love the cd & they range from 3-20.
Mike n Laura
December 28, 2007
What a lovely thing to do!
Jen Rebo
December 28, 2007
I do the "Charlie Brown" dance when the "theme" song comes on.  You know, where they all just kinda bebop around, moving their shoulders and shuffling their feet...
Mike n Laura
December 28, 2007
Jen, we want to see a video clip of that!!!
black sunshine
December 28, 2007
thats gr8 you know now that they have faith. This is what the Bible means by "child like faith".
Jen Rebo
December 28, 2007

No, I'm pretty sure we don't want to, Mike!  I've been known to do the same dance in a mosh pit, much to the amusement of my kids.

Mike n Laura
December 28, 2007
Ooh, we'd rather see that video... "Jen in the mosh pit"!  You truly are a woman of many talents! lol

(If you blogged the video, you know it would get a zillion stars!)
Jen Rebo
December 28, 2007

I don't think it's talent that gets someone to go into a mosh pit; more like stupidity, maybe?  I'll only stay in the pit until they start shoving each other, and I've never been "surfing" in one.

LorenDP
December 28, 2007

The thought of Jen in the mosh pit almost made me laugh out loud here at work.

LorenDP
December 28, 2007
Just saw the above discussion on the Charlie Brown Christmas CD...Mike - if you don't have it...get it...it's great.  We used to play it at my old job every year...I need to get it...I had it at one time but lost it.
Dennis Howe
December 28, 2007
Actually, one of the people on my list,to look up when I get to heaven, is Bishop Nicholas. It will be interesting to hear his take on the holiday, his being taken out of context, and why people don't believe he exists.....I'm hoping Rudolph will be hanging out with Reepicheep, two birds with one stone, so to speak!
Mike n Laura
December 29, 2007
Loren et al, the Charlie Brown Christmas CD is now on our short list of music to acquire during '08! :-)

Dennis, I'm with you man! Don't forget the unicorns and centaurs!!!
Jen Rebo
December 29, 2007
The CD was available at Starbucks year before last.  They often offer the same holiday ones year after year, so you could very well find it there on clearance, iffins you ever hit a Starbucks...
Mike n Laura
December 29, 2007
I was just there this a.m.! But alas I saw no Charlie B CDs. :-(

An American thing? I don't know why Canadian Starbucks wouldn't sell CDs. Is it against the law in Canada to sell coffee and CDs in the same establishment? :-)

ps.... it occurred to me suddenly today, there was also a character in Battlestar Galactica named Starbuck. A connection? Forgive me, sometimes I am extremely slow....
Jen Rebo
December 29, 2007
I'm even slower, my friend.  I've never seen Battlestar Galactica.
Kathy
January 03, 2008
Me either, Jen!  Good blog, Mike!
Gary Robison
March 21, 2009
When I was in High School, back in the early 80's, I wrote a letter for the school paper, it was a Letter to Santa", in which I described how he has mislead many people, making a substitute holy day, and what a farce he was. The school paper published the paper, and I was ostracised immediately, I was even threatened to get beat up a few times. It is amazing how quick Christians stand up vehemently to defend Santa, but cower when the subject of Christ comes up.
Mike n Laura
March 21, 2009
Ya know Gary, I think you might have a really good point there.

My in-laws have the coolest Santa figurine I've ever seen. Santa kneeling at the manger of Jesus.