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Evangelist Keith Wilson
January 23, 2008 at 11:21am
Thank yo Pastor for posting this blog! Martin Luther happens to be one of my favorite s too!
Many people do struggle with what I call "Eternal Security" some will even get bent out of shape and have nothing to do with you because you hold this position, However I know that I am saved.
Dec 22, 1986, I received this great gift from God, Have I messed up at times? Yes, but just as sure as I'm writing that's how sure I am of knowing I will be in heaven one day! I would to God that all believers would come to this conclusion.

Before anyone comments and start talking about being Holy, Sanctified and the like, Be sure to study the words in the original language, and than ask the Holy Spirit to give you understanding. Thanks Pastor Tim!
Lara Leger
January 23, 2008 at 12:38pm
Yep, and faith without works is dead.  Our works will just naturally accompany our faith. i still struggle constantly with assurance of salvation. And no disrespect to any body, but I will not, can not believe "once saved, always saved" so it's a fruitless discussion with me. Sometimes i wish I did, though!!!!
Kathy
January 23, 2008 at 1:03pm
Pastor Tim, Martin Luther is also one of my great heroes of the faith.  Aside from his spiritual intelligence and his ability to articulate his innovative perceptions, I am greatly inspired by his courage, to speak out against what he saw as in need of reformation in the Church, even at the very real risk of his own death.  (He actually faked his death at one point.)  As you have noted, however, he was not without fault, and apparently some very great faults of prejudice.  I recently read a part of his writings that shocked me to the point I had to stop reading, but I plan to return to it later when I am more prepared for it.  As with David who was a man after God's own heart, there is none righteous, no, not one, but there are great men and women of faith throughout history that are used greatly by God to mold us and to inspire us, and in my opinion, Martin Luther is among the greatest!
JayKTX
January 23, 2008 at 2:24pm
Excellent theology. May we all accept and rest in this truth.
Pastor Tim
January 23, 2008 at 2:48pm

Keith, it sounds like you have a very good handle on the assurance of salvation. I bet this is shy you have such a passion to evangelize the lost.

Lara, you have touched on a debate that has raged for several hundred years, which is  whether Christians can lose their salvation. I am a member of a denomination that believes that one can loose ones salvation. Fortunately on both sides of the debate, the assurance of salvation is taught. 

Kathy, I was wondering if you have seen the movie enetitled Luther. This is a movie that I showed in my class the other day. It is awesome. If you haven't seen it, I think you would enjoy it.  

OJW
January 23, 2008 at 3:36pm
Thanks for this blog Pastor Tim I often find myself defending my position on this matter and even wondering (at times) of it's truth.  What settled it for me was when I realized that on my best days my rightouesness in His eyesight was as filty rags.  In addition to that if our salvation is not secure than we're all gambling... hoping to roll a 7 on the Day we stand before Him.  And finally without believing in eternal security it makes it impossible to witness.... Imagine this conversation with a non-believer....  The believer says:"You're living in sin (heading for eternal separtation from God--Hell), but if you accept Jesus and your Savior and Lord...you just might have a fifty-fifty chance on making it in..."  The non-believers response, "Huh, are you serious?... "
Kathy
January 23, 2008 at 5:37pm
Pastor Tim, I saw it and loved it!  (Great idea though to see it again!)  Also there's an old black and white Martin Luther movie that I love.  (I think it's just called Martin Luther.)   
Gene
January 23, 2008 at 6:51pm

If you want to hit the 100 comment barrier, you've picked a good topic..... :)

I believe that all of the faithful can rest assured of the salvation we have in Jesus Christ.  It cannot be taken from us.  Scripture is very clear on this.

We can, however, decide to let go of Christ.  It is a relationship with Jesus Christ.  And as it is with any relationship, we make a choice daily to either improve the quality of that relationship or to let that relationship die. 

And so we can lose our salvation if we choose to let go of Christ.

Gene

Pastor Tim
January 23, 2008 at 8:15pm
OJW - I agree. If we do not have an assurance of salvation then how is our faith any different than say the Islamic faith where one cannot be sure of ones salvation either. We can totally trust in what Christ has done for our salvation.

Kathy - I haven't seen that version yet. I am going to look at renting it thought. Thanks for the idea :-)

Arlene - I agree. People will be judged by their heart whether their trust was in Christ for salvation or not. Regarding eternal security and free will, I would say that eternal security would not violate free will because those who accept Christ did so by their free will.

Gene - When I wrote this blog earlier today I didn't think that it would illicit many comments but I can see where that might be a possibility. Maybe we could have some discussion on Arminianism vs. Calvinism.
Gene
January 23, 2008 at 9:33pm
I'd be glad to help you with that discussion but I don't know anything about Arminianism or Calvinism.  I suppose they are related to something I wrote.  Yes?
Pastor Tim
January 23, 2008 at 9:40pm
Yes. Basically Arminianism says that one can loose ones salvation and Calvinism does not.
Gene
January 23, 2008 at 9:50pm
OK. Well after a person is saved, they still have free will, right?  So doesn't that mean a person could choose something else over the relationship with Christ?  And wouldn't doing that repeatedly severely damage that relationship to the point that the person would clearly no longer be following Christ in most aspects of their live?  And if that person remain unrepentent wouldn't that person be denied entry to heaven?  And doesn't being denied access to heaven mean that the person is no longer saved?

Again, the forces of the evil one cannot seperate us from God, so in that regard I'd agree with Calvinism. 
hopefienddave
January 24, 2008 at 1:01am
Not to long ago I did a fair amount of investigation into the writings of Martin Luther.  I finally decided to give church a chance and thought I'd start with the Lutheran Church I was raised in.  Thanks to the Internet I found that I could access a lot of Luther's writings.  Well I don't want to get into a lengthy comment I just wanted to say this is a well researched post.  Thanks.  I remember briefly as an Adventist reading about Luther in Ellen G. Whites the Great Controversy the seventh chapter.
Glenn
January 24, 2008 at 1:53pm
Pastor Tim,
Thanks for sharing your insight into Luther here.  I wish I could have attended your class.  I grew up Lutheran and am glad to say God has giving me a new understanding of grace along the way, even though it took a few years of legalism to get me there. 

As to the Calvinism vs. Arminianism, I believe that God chose me from the foundation of the world to be His follower and child, and it is fully His grace that has brought me to that understanding.  If God had not acted in my heart with His Spirit, I would never have become a child of God.  Anyway if I at some point decided I don't want to follow Jesus anymore, I suppose I could walk away from God of my own choice.  But that does not change the fact that God's grace is what moves us towards a relationship with Him. 

Anyway I think that is enough rambling for now.  Thanks PT for the great blog.
peace
Glenn
January 24, 2008 at 1:54pm
forgot the notify me box : )
Gene
January 24, 2008 at 8:39pm
PT, you're singing my song.
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