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Eliza
January 30, 2008 at 10:46am  

Interesting...... : )

OnlineChristianTranslations
January 30, 2008 at 10:50am  
hahahahahaha so you are one of those who like to brake the rules! Funny! Now I'll feel condemned every time I "capitalize" him...hahahahahahah

It's funny :)
Mike n Laura
January 30, 2008 at 10:55am  
lol! fun to read!

It also depends on the particular Bible translation used. Most do not capitalize "the devil" but the Holman Christian Standard Bible says "the Devil". I think most people typically write "devil" w/lowercase, as in an everyday title (i.e. the garbageman).

Satan on the other hand tends to be used as a proper name rather than a title. In this case most translations capitalize Satan (e.g. NIV, NLT, NASB, ESV, KJV, etc.), as do most people I know. However if you or anybody else wants to reduce satan to a lowercase word, fine w/me! Just be careful, that dude gets pretty mean when angry! lol
Monica McKenzie
January 30, 2008 at 10:57am  
C'est très intéressant! I had never paid mind to it even when I'd get spell check trying to tell me why I should capitalize it. The diablo ain't worth it!  I share your passion. I have had people tell me that it's out of respect as to not offend satanists or others who believe in the devil. Mais je ne m'inquiète pas!  I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this. *mua*
Jenily
January 30, 2008 at 10:59am  
hahahahaha Don't worry  about that Mike! That dude has seen my Daddy angry too... I tell you he trembles at His name
Eli Silva
January 30, 2008 at 11:03am  
I'm in the same page ... I don't care about rules I just  know the  the LORD IN BIG CAPITAL LETTERS IN MY HEART!!!
AddGod2yourDiet
January 30, 2008 at 11:05am  

Something to think abou! LOL FUN! :-) You got passion!

Cheryl from Ga
January 30, 2008 at 11:30am  
Jenily, I'm with you on this one.  I refuse to capitalize satan, devil or any other that is in reference to the evil one!
Libia
January 30, 2008 at 11:58am  
Lol!!! Funny.... jenita tu estas loquita!
Shellie
January 30, 2008 at 12:01pm  
I won't capitalize anything to do with him.  Can't stand him and he can't stand me.
MH Guitarist
January 30, 2008 at 12:08pm  
MIke, are you trying to say that garbagemen are the devil?  LOL
Deb
January 30, 2008 at 12:20pm  
This is something I have thought about repeatedly.  I too have noticed that when I type the word satan that my spell checker says it needs to be capitalized.  I don't think so!  I will not give him and glory whatsoever, and I think that a capital letter would signify importance to his name.  As far as I am concerned, he is not important at all, and I refuse to capitalize his name.  Thanks for sharing this so I know I am not alone thinking about this :)
JessIAm
January 30, 2008 at 12:31pm  

Actually "Satan" is a title, not a proper name.  It's Hebrew for Prosecuting Atourney.  "Lucifer" is a latin name, which is a translation of a Hebrew phrase that means "son of the dawn."  We're never told the devils name in scripture.

Jenily
January 30, 2008 at 12:35pm  
WOW! Thanks Jess, that's a post...not the bunch of thoughts I dropped in this post…hahahahahahaha.. Looks like somebody knows what’s talking about…Thanks, now i feel "lowercase"
JessIAm
January 30, 2008 at 12:37pm  
Oh, Jenily, no one is lowercase in Jesus!
Jenily
January 30, 2008 at 12:41pm  
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! thanks Jess...

Trash can?!?!?! LOL
JessIAm
January 30, 2008 at 12:43pm  
I don't know what I'm talking about, I can just talk like I know what I'm talking about.
Aaron Abram
January 30, 2008 at 12:52pm  
LORD in all caps in the OT is for Yahweh, I use NIV but have never paid attention to the capitalization or lack thereof for satan..... it does bother me however that they do not capitalize the first letter of pronouns having to do with Jesus, ie Him, He, His etc...
AddGod2yourDiet
January 30, 2008 at 1:08pm  
Come on Jess! Do not be modest, it was and excellent comment any way!  
Mike n Laura
January 30, 2008 at 1:08pm  
hey folks, I didn't mean to slight garbagemen!!! I love em , we need em!! lol
Jenily
January 30, 2008 at 1:12pm  
Now I have to post another blog... What americans means with garbagamen,? it's just the word, a cartoon, a character, an actor? I'm lost again...Can some body put me back in game?...jejejejejej
JessIAm
January 30, 2008 at 1:15pm  
GarbageMen is a title from the English language.  It means Men who remove Garbage.
LorenDP
January 30, 2008 at 1:22pm  
Or you can also refer to them as Sanitation Engineers.  LOL.
Cheryl
January 30, 2008 at 1:23pm  
 Trashcan or Devil   , I wish I could find a pic where satan is thrown into the can!!!  LOL
Aaron Abram
January 30, 2008 at 2:57pm  
refuse collectors
Jenily
January 30, 2008 at 3:22pm  
Oh! Ok I got it! hahahahhaha now I understand it all!!!! I can see the joke hahahahahhaha!!! LOL! 2 funny...I know is late, but I didn't undestand b4 (now I'm going to laugh in Spanish jajajajajajajajajjajajajaajja)
MaKelly
January 30, 2008 at 3:32pm  
I never gave it a though and I have capitilize it but not to give him any credit just to get a point accross, belive me he does not even desver it now that it's been brought up I have to watch that from now on casuse it could be taking out of contexted.
AddGod2yourDiet
January 30, 2008 at 4:49pm  
Do you guys still talking? What did I miss?
Lara Leger
January 30, 2008 at 6:57pm  
i see it the way Mike&Laura see it; I never capitalize the devil, but do Satan due to my "correct" grammer. lol I figure it's his name.  I noticed the other day reading something where Satan wasn't capitalized, and I wondered if there was some rule I knew nothing of. lol Funny.
Mike n Laura
January 30, 2008 at 8:06pm  

oops, the garbageman seems to have taken over here! lol

 = devil = satan = rubbish

paul delucia
January 30, 2008 at 8:16pm  
Hey guys........... if i could give the devil something lower than lower case, I would !!   he is so defeated..........
2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Jesus has won the victory for us.  Such grace !!!       Great blog Jenily !
Jenily
January 31, 2008 at 4:05am  
Oh my God! I can't belive how far this conversation has gone! hahahahhahahaha...you guys are so funny!...BTW Do you sleep?...Love you!
Synthe
January 31, 2008 at 5:57am  
Wow!  This is interesting. 
Eric
January 31, 2008 at 2:35pm  

God = the proper name of the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  Also, we capitalize to show authority and prominance over us, from our perspective.  I do not force atheists to capitalize the word "god."  Worshipers of other gods, such as Ra will write "the God Ra" because Ra is real and authoritative from their perspective.

god = any other god, such as the Egyptian sun god Ra or the Biblical false god Baal.  Of course, they are not really gods at all, no more than nothing is something.

Ra or Baal = capitalized because they are proper nouns (names of people, places or things), like Eric or North Carolina or the names of Chuck Norris' two legs:  Law and Order.  They are capitalized not because they are deified or shown prominence, but because that is their proper name.

devil = suggests a generic noun, such as "an angel."

Devil = suggests the chief archangel that was thrown from Heaven.

satan or lucifer = I'm pretty sure this is an error in grammar, as "satan" is normally considered the proper name of the chief archangel that was thrown from Heaven.

Satan or Lucifer = the proper name of the chief archangel that was thrown from Heaven.

heaven = can suggest the skies

Heaven = the spiritual place

bible = suggests "a holy book," of which generally there is only one by this name, so this might be a grammatical error

Bible = proper noun for the Christian scriptures.  Might be subjective to the author; my atheist programmer friend has a Bible -- it is his singular programming language reference.

Bottom line:  capatalizing a proper noun is just that, and shouldn't connotate that you are attaching special significance to it.

Eric
January 31, 2008 at 2:42pm  

Also, back on Satan and Lucifer, as with many names in the Bible, these names have a literal interpretation.  lucifer means "morning star," and satan means "adversary" or "deceiver."  To call the chief archangel that was thrown from Heaven "the deceiver," nearly all meaning is stripped away, for you could have been talking about your ex-boyfriend!  The same goes with the Christian name for him, "the Enemy."  It is capitalized to show that this enemy is chief, different from Bin Laden or the bathroom scale. 

This is how the English language works.  To lowercase the enemy or the deceiver or satan or lucifer is to simply introduce confusion in communication, which we get enough of when we try to be clear!

JessIAm
January 31, 2008 at 2:43pm  
Lucifer can't be the name the Hebrews used.  "Luc" is a latin root that means light.
Jenily
January 31, 2008 at 4:24pm  
Thank you all!!!!!!!!!!
Grant
February 01, 2008 at 3:50pm  

The problem with a printed dictionary is that it is usually 10 years out of date, or more. Language changes, and languages also are far more adaptable than some silly grammar and spelling rules allow. In most modern word processors you can add a new word to the dictionary. In this case just add your preference of devil (small d) to your dictionary. I hope that works for you. I do this kind of thing all the time, especially because we actually have two English languages, plus Euro-English and a whole bunch of subsets.

Cheryl
February 01, 2008 at 3:54pm  
I second what Paul said:  he is so defeated, if I could give him anything lower I would!!!  
Eric
February 05, 2008 at 12:59pm  

In a sense, I agree with you Grant.  Language changes with time.  A few years ago Werner Gitt coined a new word for his information theoretic:  "apobetics," which describes the sender's intent of the communicated message.  But in another sense, I disagree.  You cannot simply make up new words. spellings, and grammar and expect your reader to understand you, unless you plan on attaching a glossary to everything you write.  Rules provide a common base or standard for understanding.  As Christians, we should have a profound understanding of the importance of the Standard of God.

Jenily, surprisingly, I've been thinking about this blog a lot in the past week.  I keep returning to the conviction that it is best for clear communication that "Satan," and "the Devil" should be capitalized.  If you'd like to throw rotten tomatoes at him (lowercase "h"), then write "the devil, stupid prince of this world" (lowercase "d" and "p").  Define what you mean by "the devil, and include as many insults as you can while you're doing so  :D  

Eric
February 05, 2008 at 1:16pm  
Also, euphemisms work as "common definitions" that we all understand.  "The prince of this world" (lowercase "p") is understood to refer to Satan (capital "S" because it's a proper name) as opposed to Mutaib, Prince of Saudi Arabia (capital "M", "S", and "A" because they are proper names and capital "P" because it's a formal title) because that phrase is used by Jesus to describe Satan, and Christians are (hopefully) familiar with what Jesus has said.  Euphemisms avoid proper nouns and capitalizations altogether.  And they let you get creative with bashing the dog leavings of the enemy of our Lord (capital "L", for there is only one).
Jenily
February 06, 2008 at 5:19am  
:-( too deep for me!!! I'll read again it more than twice! Nice comments
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