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Shellie
February 06, 2008 at 3:02pm
I was raised Lutheran and Lent was a big deal also.  Now I think it is a perfect time to reflect on what Christ did for us on the cross.  It is always a good time to fast and draw closer to God.  I believe that was the whole point in giving up something during Lent.  Our church is fasting this month.  When you fast, God really speaks loud and clear.  Fasting has always been a challenge for me, but I push thru because I really want to hear from God.  Have you ever fasted before?
golden2100
February 06, 2008 at 3:57pm
     I too was raised a Roman Catholic. I went to church and got that silly blob of ash on my forehead thinking it made me holy in some way. It is really another "Tradition of Men" which has nothing to do with God's Word. I'd hate to be those who continue to make people believe these things. Such as the rosary, as you mentioned. Or "holy water" and waring medals around my neck. Judgement begins at the pulpit. The first to feel the heat, so to speak. Will be those to lead God's Children astray. As stated in someones other blog. Easter does not appear in the original text. yet, most "Christian churches will have an Easter Service which voids the Word of God. The fourteenth day after the Spring Solstice is "Christian Passover." Yet, how do you tell those who will not see, or hear? Jesus died for us on "Passover" "Ham" is from the dirtiest animal in the world. Yet, many will have a nice "Easter Swine" to show their love of our Lord. How very sad!!
  That's like calling our Lord. The Passover Swine. Satan works real magic at this time of year.
Deb
February 06, 2008 at 4:13pm
I was raised in the Episcopal church, so Lent was a big deal with us as well.  I used to give up something...I don't do that anymore, but I do make sure that I do more for my relationship with Jesus at this time.  This year, our church is sponsoring "41derful days of prayer", which I am going to use as my Lent this year, and try to spend more time in prayer to get closer to Jesus.
Sara
February 06, 2008 at 4:59pm
thanks guys. shellie, i have never fasted before only because i haven't been able too. when i started walking with christ a year ago i was nursing my daughter so i couldn't fast then. i was planning on fasting as soon as i weened her but, lo and behold, ended up pregnant before i was done nursing! i will deliver in April, but will be breastfeeding again for at least a year after that, so i can't fast for a while yet. which really bums me out because i have wanted to fast for some time now. so i guess my question is, is it just a personal choice to "give something up"? i doubt its sinful if we don't, but is it considered proper christian etiquette? are all my christian friends going to be asking what i gave up for lent? i know its not all that big of a deal, i am just curious.
DEW
February 06, 2008 at 6:30pm
I was brought up to believe that there was no day held above another except for Sunday. I don't fast for medical reasons, but I do celebrate every day because of 'The Lord  Crucafied'. That he loved us all and that he died for all.
Mark Jonas
February 06, 2008 at 8:13pm
Golden2100 pork then was filthy and uncured but now the new processes make it clean and safe to eat. people do way worse things to God in there hearts than eat Pork on pass over. Its in your heart God looks into the heart more than what we eat in thinks giving! God Bless
Malleus Deum
February 06, 2008 at 9:54pm

I am wearing ashes right now. And I must say I find the calling of it "a silly blob of ashes" more than a bit offensive. It is a wonderful reminder to the individual wearin it of his own faith, as well as providing an opportunity to witness to people regarding ones faith. I would say that is important to fast during this time. The reason one fast is due to the fact that Christ fasted in the desert during this time for forty days. The word Lent comes from the Teutonic word for forty. By fasting during this time, it encourages us to be like Christ and reflect on God.

Mark Jonas
February 06, 2008 at 9:59pm
DarkRadian one word Awesome!!
LVTish
February 06, 2008 at 10:07pm

Fasting is a very personal and private thing between you and God. (But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.  Matthew 6: 17-18)  I believe that you should be called to fast, not fast because other people are doing it, or you feel like you should.  Nor should we do it as a ritual at specific times of the year.  If it isn't from God, it is a waste of your time.  I believe it's like anything else, if you go before God in that decision, the blessing isn't there.  
I believe that fasting can take on many forms.  Last year I did a leadership study that included a fast from negativity for 40 days.  It was powerful and made me re-evaluate the use of my words and thoughts...and it made me feel closer to God because I had to turn to Him for healing from my negativity. 
So, should you give up something for Lent?  Is there an issue that God is trying to get you to look at?  Maybe it would be a good idea for all of us to fast from something that is getting in the way of our relationship with God.......

Veronica Luna
February 06, 2008 at 10:54pm
Right on LVTish! You know what though, I don't believe all tradition stinks. I too grew up catholic...I mean the whole nine yards. But I will take something from that. When I first became a christian I made every attempt to do the opposite of what the catholic church said and consumed my time with trying to contradict the church. Well it got me alright so I stopped. Anyways I have friends that go to Valley and give something up every year. I like the way they do it, they pray for God to reveal that something to them and they spend that time reflecting and growing in Christ as they struggle with that something they love and miss. I like it and at the end of the day who do we want to do for? God. I know it's nothing compared to what Christ did for us but it's just a step closer...right?
LVTish
February 06, 2008 at 11:08pm
I agree, Veronica.  I love tradition, but I also feel that God has to call us to give things up....it is all about God's timing, not some man made time frame set by a church.  If this time of the year convicts you to give something up, and you feel it's from God, I agree whole heartedly that you should listen to God, and give it up PRAYERFULLY.
LVTish
February 06, 2008 at 11:59pm
Ok, one more thing....We could NEVER repay Jesus for what He did for us on the cross.  Our salvation is a gift, and if we had to repay it, we could never do it.  Romans 3:22-24 says:  This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Fasting (or giving things up) should be done so that we can get closer to God, not done as an outward sign for anyone on earth to see. 
Malleus Deum
February 07, 2008 at 12:39am
One thing that should be noted here. You are Protestant. To say you are Christian and not Catholic is explicitly implying that Catholics are not Christian. Either just say you are Protestant or state your denominational affliation.
Amy Valley Girl
February 07, 2008 at 1:06am
Let's face it man I sat in front of a Catholic Church today reading my Bible waiting for my Mother in law to meet me there cause she was going to do that and she had my daughter and I saw people walking to the church cussing up a storm, gossiping, making fun of people as they walked beside them, being mean to their kids and bumping loud profane music all over the parking lot ( I was there a long time) Went in and got their ashes and did the same thing the way back. This is a factual observation. I am not lying or passing judgment at all I wish I could have said better about my experience. I even prayed for the people there and I asked God to give me a word I didn't want to think bad about these people. I wanted to see them the way He saw them and he took me to the book of Job and God was questioning Job. I was so into it I couldn't tell you exactly where I was. But what I got out of it was it is just not for me to judge. I just need to go with my flow with God. I know God, I know where I am and how to have life. It is what it is. I just know it's not for me. It is NO GOOD for me to do something if A) I don't even know why I'm doing it, B) My heart really is not in it and C) I am not even doing it right or trying to. Take offense if you want to but it is obvious that the few that do it for the right reasons are a small percentage. Who knows though maybe God just likes seeing and finally getting some attention from some people he may not talk to throughout the rest of the year on Ashe Wed. But either way God's word is the same like LVTish pointed out. Matthew 6: 17-18 Doing the Ash on the forehead is directly the opposite of what Scripture says to do. But that is for everyone individually. Sara, the fact that you are confused should tell you something right off the bat. You go to Valley You know the truth. God does not hold us to the Law because you are in Christ Jesus and whom the Son sets free is free indeed. Do nothing out of confusion but with the sound mind of Christ. Be Blessed. P.S. I am an ex-Catholic I am sisters with Veronica like she said. There was zero life in that fast for me, and zero life in the fast when I did it if I lasted the whole time at all. Hey, that just could have been me though. I was taught everything in my brain but my heart was far from in it. So, it was in vain. When you fast you are supposed to pray in it's place. Thats where you get closer to God. It is not all about getting paid for a service you are doing for God. Bless their hearts for their efforts to be obedient - and just pray for people who are fasting (we all could use prayer during a fast) at this time that God Speaks to them through the fast and that everyone who doesn't have God in their hearts whatever label they have Catholic, non Catholic finds God for themselves and makes a life of fasting from the flesh to be near God with all their hearts.
Malleus Deum
February 07, 2008 at 1:24am

We move through Lent from ashes to the baptismal font. We dirty our faces on Ash Wednesday and are cleansed in the waters of the font. We embrace the need to die to sin and selfishness at the beginning of Lent so that we can come to fuller life in the Risen One at Easter.

When we receive ashes on our foreheads, we remember who we are. We remember that we are creatures of the earth ("Remember that you are dust"). We remember that we are mortal beings ("and to dust you will return"). We remember that we are baptized. We remember that we are people on a journey of conversion ("Turn away from sin and be faithful to the gospel"). We remember that we are members of the body of Christ (and that smudge on our foreheads will proclaim that identity to others, too).

Renewing our sense of who we really are before God is the core of the Lenten experience. It is so easy to forget, and thus we fall into habits of sin, ways of thinking and living that are contrary to God's will. In this we are like the Ninevites in the story of Jonah. It was "their wickedness" that caused God to send Jonah to preach to them. Jonah resisted that mission and found himself in deep water. Rescued by a large fish, Jonah finally did God's bidding and began to preach in Nineveh. His preaching obviously fell on open ears and hearts, for in one day he prompted the conversion of the whole city.

From the very beginning of Lent, God's word calls us to conversion. If we open our ears and hearts to that word, we will be like the Ninevites not only in their sinfulness but also in their conversion to the Lord. That, simply put, is the point of Ash Wednesday!

May you all have a very Blessed Lent and a Joyous Easter.

Sara
February 07, 2008 at 11:02am
Wow. thanks for all the input guys. you have given me some really good insight on not only fasting, but a self awareness before Christ. I completely agree that fasting of any kind whether it be from food or something like negativity (tish, thats awesome by the way) should be done in private. I can see taking the opportunity of Lent to reflect on yourself and pray about something God may want out of you life. However, I don't think that should be the only time you do it. It should be something we are continually aware of.

Side note- Dark, someone saying they are not Catholic but christian is not saying that catholics aren't christian too. growing up as a catholic i didn't know i was a christian, i thought i was only catholic, and have heard MANY MANY times that "we aren't christian were catholic". so don't get offended, we understand that catholics are christians as well, but i think the singular term christian is understood as protestant. plus, a lot of us don't have a denominational affiliation, thats why we just say christian.

Thank you so much Amy. I am really blessed to hear to do nothing out of confusion. it really puts it (and many other things) in perspective for me. and makes me even more proud to go to Valley!
and, hehe, veronica, i'm glad i'm not the only one who left the church and tried to do everthing else opposite! Thanks brothers and sisters! Be blessed
_Erin_
February 07, 2008 at 12:18pm
I was invited to mass last night with my friend who is going through classes to become catholic.  I got a LOT out of the service.  I probably wont' give up anything specifically for lent, but I did start to think about the things I need to work on in my life and I plan to take the next 40 days to really get into prayer about them.  It was also clear that VBF and our praise, biblestudy and fellowship is clearly the right place for me.

When my friend told me about the classes, I figured she'd be learning the hail mary's and everything, but that is just a small part of the class.  90% is bible study and learning to have a relationship with God.  The other 10% explaining the meaning behind the rituals. 

I guess I think that I agree with those who have posted and it's all about the motivation.  If someone is giving up something because they are suppose to, it's not goign to do too much, but if you are doing it because you feel called to, that's between you and God. 

As with most things, it can be used to glorify God and bring you closer to him or the other way around. 
Jeff Hutch
February 07, 2008 at 5:27pm

Being a Christian simply means that you are a follower of Christ. Anyone who has accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour is a Christian, regardless of their denomination.

Jeff Hutch
February 07, 2008 at 6:01pm

As for lent, I was also raised catholic. Growing up I would usually give up some kind of junk food. There was one year in my early 20's when I gave up alcohol (only to become a much heavier drinker later).

My opinion is this; If God is compelling you to give something up, it's probably because He is trying to tell you that He doesn't want that in your life. What I'm trying to say is that if you can go the full 40 days of lent without something, why stop there? Give it up permanently.

I know from experience that God will bless you eliminate the bad things in your life. When I gave up alcohol and gambling, I found the Lord.

When I gave up secular music, I found that not only do I love Christian music, but I enjoy listening to music now more than any time in my life. Even more than the years that I was a musician and playing in rock bands.

When I gave up my old friends who were always causing me to back slide, God blessed me with great Christian friends who have become the best friends I have ever had.

I could go on but you get my point. Give up the negative things in your life and see how God will bless you.

apureheart
February 13, 2008 at 7:32pm
from biblegateway.com

Isaiah 58True Fasting  1 "Shout it aloud, do not hold back.
       Raise your voice like a trumpet.
       Declare to my people their rebellion
       and to the house of Jacob their sins.


2 For day after day they seek me out;
       they seem eager to know my ways,
       as if they were a nation that does what is right
       and has not forsaken the commands of its God.
       They ask me for just decisions
       and seem eager for God to come near them.


3 'Why have we fasted,' they say,
       'and you have not seen it?
       Why have we humbled ourselves,
       and you have not noticed?'
       "Yet on the day of your fasting, you do as you please
       and exploit all your workers.


4 Your fasting ends in quarreling and strife,
       and in striking each other with wicked fists.
       You cannot fast as you do today
       and expect your voice to be heard on high.


5 Is this the kind of fast I have chosen,
       only a day for a man to humble himself?
       Is it only for bowing one's head like a reed
       and for lying on sackcloth and ashes?
       Is that what you call a fast,
       a day acceptable to the LORD ?


6 "Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen:
       to loose the chains of injustice
       and untie the cords of the yoke,
       to set the oppressed free
       and break every yoke?


 7 Is it not to share your food with the hungry
       and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter—
       when you see the naked, to clothe him,
       and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?


 8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn,
       and your healing will quickly appear;
       then your righteousness [a] will go before you,
       and the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.


 9 Then you will call, and the LORD will answer;
       you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.
       "If you do away with the yoke of oppression,
       with the pointing finger and malicious talk,


 10 and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry
       and satisfy the needs of the oppressed,
       then your light will rise in the darkness,
       and your night will become like the noonday.


 11 The LORD will guide you always;
       he will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land
       and will strengthen your frame.
       You will be like a well-watered garden,
       like a spring whose waters never fail.


 12 Your people will rebuild the ancient ruins
       and will raise up the age-old foundations;
       you will be called Repairer of Broken Walls,
       Restorer of Streets with Dwellings.


 13 "If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
       and from doing as you please on my holy day,
       if you call the Sabbath a delight
       and the LORD's holy day honorable,
       and if you honor it by not going your own way
       and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,


 14 then you will find your joy in the LORD,
       and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land
       and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob."
       The mouth of the LORD has spoken.


Sara, I am so unqualified to speak of Lent in light of how it is practiced among some of the brethren. In light of Isaiah 58 I think the idea is to close our mouths and open our eyes instead of what we usually do, close our eyes and open our mouth. Not only see GOD but those around us. Listen more than we speak, to GOD, to others.

Now this seems simple enough. But set aside time to actually do it and you quickly find what a sacrifice it is, how it goes contrary to what we usually do. Normally, we carefully screen who and what we let in to where we live (in our heart). But when we give up the right to guard the door, to open it and let others in, people will come. There will be problems, misunderstandings, heartache, and Jesus. Joy and sorrow, hurt and healing, and Jesus. We will be humbled, we will be strengthened, we will be blessed and a blessing, to others, and Jesus.

When I give up something seeking a benefit for me I will get what I deserve. When I give up something so others will benefit I will get what I do not deserve. Whether this is done within Lent or not, it is good for the soul from time to time to refocus.

.....peace.....


JayKTX
February 13, 2008 at 8:02pm

Fasting does not necessarily mean you don't eat anything. There are as many different kinds of fasts are there are people. I don't do a total fast because of a health issue but I do "give something up" when I feel prompted to. And it has to be a sacrifice or it means nothing. It has to be a denial of something I enjoy. For some people that could be TV or some other special activity.

Many people on MyChurch fasted and prayed recently for a variety of different needs. My choice was to do a liquids-only fast. At other times I have given up snack foods or desserts. 

My advice would be to pray and listen to your heart and follow through on what is there. (BTW, just for your information, I don't have a Catholic background.)

Sara
February 13, 2008 at 10:31pm

thank you so much guys for all the great advice.

Gene
February 13, 2008 at 11:22pm

I grew up Baptist and it was something that was never talked about.  When I started to sit in at mass with my wife, I heard the Catholics talk about it.  Before and after I converted to Catholicism (very long, deep story in which I met Christ for the first time) my wife always annoyed me with asking, "So what are you giving up for lent?".

But after a few years the concept of fasting really grabbed my attention because I kept finding it in the New and Old Testaments. I took a class in fasting at a local methodist church and was just completely floored by what I learned and what I experienced.  

The value of a fast is that we stop filling up on stuff.  Giving up something for Lent is a small fast, but it can still be very effective.  By halting the flow of stuff into us, we start to see how much of our existance is shaped that one thing.  A frequent thing we do without realizing it is to attempt to meet our own needs by filling up on stuff: a snack, a drink, a video game, a habit, a style of music, whatever. 

Frequently we get annoyed at first.  But a Christian is prompted to say, "Hey!  Wait a minute.  Why is this so important?  What need I am really trying to satisfy?  Why am I not looking toward God to fill this need?

In identifying these questions and looking introspectively for these answers, we begin to dig up some rather uncomfortable aspects of our existance.  So we acknowledge the issue, we ask for forgiveness, and we look for related areas of our lives that need to be cleaned out. 

So in short, in giving up something for Lent, we hope, leads to repentance and thus a stronger relationship with Jesus Christ.

Another way to look at it is that giving up something for Lent the first step in Spring cleaning for the soul.

Gene

CaptivatedbyLove
February 14, 2008 at 6:34pm
Wow, lots of answers here and was trying to read it all but my time is running short.  Good topic and stuff though.  I just wanted to say that I think the Holy Spirit through Paul wrapped it up well.  It comes down to the heart motive and if you are doing it to the Lord, man should not tell you what you should and shouldn't do.  I mean we can discuss our freedoms in Christ and stuff but we shouldn't impose our opinions on another.  We are each the Lord's servant and what we do we should do to Him (and with secondary regards to others so it doesn't hurt their sensitive conscience).  Where we get into problems is when we think our preferences are "the way".  No, the way has been established, it's Jesus.  But even then I cannot convince someone, that is the Holy Spirit's job to shine light, I just do the walking and talking as He leads. 

So, if you want to wear a skirt to honor the Lord and your husband, who am I to say that you are wrong.  Now, if you say that will get me saved, then we have a problem but it isn't for me to make you see.  I don't have that power, I can only share.  But if it is just your preference, well, you go where some lovely skirts.  You are the Lord's servant first and foremost and you answer to Him. 
DONT BE PIMPED
February 14, 2008 at 6:39pm

simple as this.....if lent aint in the bible then dont worry sister.

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