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Jonathan Thomas
March 10, 2007 at 11:49am

I thank God that I have not been indoctrinated by man, and am not what many call 'church-ed', so I do not suffer many of the incorrect doctrines and associated misconceptions. I thank God that I spend enjoy spending time with God more than anything else I do, and that I actually spend most time with Him. It is a sign of His hand in my heart more than my tendency toward discipline.

Great blog.

Spooksam
March 11, 2007 at 8:32pm

I appreciate your blog, and the comment you shared to my blog.  However, it is important for us to realize that there is a balance - that all people who seem fanatical about the Bible are not all bordering on idolatry.  I read and study God's Word every day and preach it verse by verse, book by book every Sunday - because the more I know His Word, the more I know Him.  Prayer and worship are great.  But when the church in Acts 2:42 devoted themselves to certain things, it was the Apostles TEACHING that is listed first.  Prayer is last in that list.  Worship is mentioned later in the passage.  Devotion to the Word should manifest in a hunger to seek God in prayer and celebrate Him in worship.  But if the Bible ends up tucked under those two, what will keep us from pursuing New Age forms of praying?  I would even say that there are many Christians who are more in love with the emotions they feel in worship than they are in love with the One they are singing about.  It is the Word of God that penetrates our hearts and changes us.  God speaks to us through His Word.  If we elevate our own sense of what God is saying to us, rather than the Word, what will keep us from being deceived by our own hearts?  The Bible says that faith comes by hearing, and that by the Word of God. 

I agree that there are a lot of legalistic Christians.  But usually that legalism stems from our own opinions, not the Word of God, unless the person is proof-texting and not rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

 I don't think we should be mean for the sake of being mean, but Paul had harsh words about those who were straying from sound doctrine.  Even Jesus wasn't always as loving as we might think.  He is the One who will come again in wrath and fury and judgment.  When a young man walked up to Jesus asking how to be saved, Jesus let him walk away in his sins. 

Yes, I come off strong about the Bible.  I can't help see a battle in these days.  The Bible says that many will fall away as we approach the end times.  It also says many false teachers will rise up in the end times.  The Church needs to return to the days of greater commitment to the Word of God.  If I had to choose between reading the Bible or time in worship, I would pick time in the Bible because I can't help but worship Him as I read.  I read Leviticus in 2 days and was overcome with a desire to worship such a great God who, by His grace and shed blood, would free me from the bondage of such a Law.

 Anyway, thanks for the dialogue. 

Kathy
March 11, 2007 at 8:53pm
Spooksam, thank you for your thoughts.  I certainly agree with you about the importance of Bible reading, which hopefully my blog advocates.  My question of idolatry refers to placing the words of the Bible above God Himself.  You said you read to know Him better.  That, I believe, is the greatest of all reasons for reading!  Thanks, my friend, and blessings to you!
Bunny
March 27, 2007 at 2:13pm

Lots to think about here, Kathy.  I work with kids on Wednesdays and women on Monday nights leading Bible study.  Right now, my prayer is that they will have a hunger - a real yearning for the Word.  It seems that everything else takes precedence over time spent with the Lord. 

I definitely get your point.  We've had teachers who only teach the words (people, places, things) and not the "Word". Without the heart change, without our desire for that walk with Jesus, it pretty much falls flat.

Great blog!

Grace & Peace,

Bunny 

 

Faithrock
March 28, 2007 at 8:46am

God is the Word. We need to spent private time  with the Lord. We need Him to give us understanding of the Word. Anything we put before God is a idol and we are so busy pushing our belief of what the word means that God gets lost in it. (Well, we are the one lost in it). We are to be (act)like Christ. (I didn't say we are Christ, so hold on to your religious shirt people) The word love is throw around so much it doesn't mean much to us, but God gives us "agape love". No love is greater.  

Mike

   

recon77
June 08, 2007 at 3:14pm
The problem generally is NOT an idolatry of the Word but a lack of study of the word. There are certainly pockets of Biblical idolatry in this area but the far worse problem is that of not studying God's word at all. Mucho people read the word but very few study, Kathy, IMVHO.
voice_in_dc
June 08, 2007 at 7:51pm
Kathy, when I first read this post, I wasn't ready to comment on it.  Besides agreeing with you about the ice cream, the rest of the post gave me real reason to pause. I read it, left it, prayed as it churned in my spirit, read it again, and repeated this a few times until today.

Since I am a very visual person, I key in on your one phrase: "We have lost the passion of the early believers. Read the early writings. Read the early hymn lyrics. There was a genuineness there, a true inspiration, a real desire to walk directly with God, feeling the breath of His Spirit, basking in His glory, humbly lying prostrate before His majesty."  When I first read this, I looked at the "we" and figured...yeah, the global church...sure, why not. But when I replace that "we" with an "I", then it hits pretty close to home and I react. Have I indeed lost the passion?  Have I really lost the desire to walk with God through the Garden as I was originally designed to do? Have I really lost the desire to bask in His glory?

When I evaluate myself in these areas, it boils down to this: We need to be doers of the word and not just hearers. 

6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that built a house upon the earth without a foundation; against which the stream brake, and straightway it fell in; and the ruin of that house was great.


Taking a look at these blogs...we can debate all we want, we can throw scripture at one another, but if we don't do so in love, if we don't allow ourselves to be entreatable, if we don't listen and respond in kindness, then are we indeed being doers?  It has caused me yet more pause.

Yes, we must do what we have heard. I think the real reason we must "do" is that sometimes we don't hear well or we hear incorrectly...we find out what God really means when we step out in life in faith and become a doer.

Thanks again, for a very deep, thoughtful, post. Kathy, you have a knack for stiking deep below the surface in a way that doesn't hurt and causes some sincere evaluation. Well done.

Kathy
June 08, 2007 at 9:21pm
Thanks, Bunny and Mike!  Thanks, Recon.  I agree with you that not studying the Bible is a problem.  In my experience many of those who seem to "worship" it are among those who do not study it.  What do you think?  Voice, I like that you are such a ponderer!  I hope no one ever just accepts my words.  Sometimes I am still working through issues myself when I write, and other times, I have a strong opinion, often different from what I thought 10-20 years ago, that opposes the views of many great Christian brothers and sisters that I respect.  I appreciate that you look at issues from all angles, and you often challenge and hone my own thoughts!  Grace and peace to you all! 
Kathy
August 14, 2007 at 5:53am
A quote from A.W. Tozer:

For it is not mere words that nourish the soul, but God Himself, and unless and until the hearers find God in personal experience they are not the better for having heard the truth.  The Bible is not an end in itself, but a means to bring men to an intimate and satisfying knowledge of God, that they may enter into Him, that they may delight in His Presence, may taste and know the inner sweetness of the very God Himself in the core and center of their hearts.  (The Pursuit of God, Preface)
The WYATT
August 14, 2007 at 8:18am
Kathy-

I find myself studying for several reasons... first, for my own growth and need for "spiritual food" to feed my faith! 2nd, for guidance and direction. And, of course, I must study to equip myself to preach and teach the Gospel in the church and the prisons! Blogging and "debating" serves the purpose of "sharpening iron" for me! I'm no great apologist, but I do sincerely desire to be able to defend the faith (as Jude puts it) against the onslaught from every direction... even within the supposed "church"...

Semper Fidelis!
Joel
Kathy
August 14, 2007 at 9:49am

Thanks, Joel.  As you point out, all four options are good ones, and I, like you, enjoy them all at times.  But there is one that is far more important/foundational than the others, without which the debating, writing, and preaching have no power.  For the stove to have any effect on the food, it has to be plugged into the power source.  I appreciate the way you challenge and hone my thoughts and "sharpen my iron"!   Semper Fidelis!

Kathy
September 22, 2007 at 5:43am
An interesting quote I just ran across, from Cardinal Lamberto in The Godfather III: 

"Look at this stone.  It has been lying in the water for a very long time, but the water has not penetrated it.  Look.  Perfectly dry.  The same thing has happened to men . . . For centuries they have been surrounded by Christianity, but Christ has not penetrated."
R
March 15, 2008 at 4:54am
Hey Kathy,

Jesus had (and has), the ability to read the heart without the mouth speaking. So focusing on words can lead us off of what we should know by the Spirit. 

Someone was arguing the other day, about whether people needed to repent before they were forgiven. They believe people don't need to repent and we should just forgive everybody. To support their view, they sited the theif on the cross as thier example, "the theif on the cross dosen't repent... he just asks Jesus to remember him when He comes into His kingdom." Could it be that at this point, Jesus knew the heart of the man?  I think so. This man felt godly sorrow and that lead him to repentance, even though his mouth might not have said the words... Jesus knew what was in his heart. We need Spiritual eyes to see with and hear with, not just concentrate on words.  my 2 cents.
Kathy
March 15, 2008 at 8:45am
Thank you, R!  I totally agree!  I don't think God hears our words.  I think He hears our soul.  He hears the inner groanings of our being, too deep for language to capture.  Language is a tool developed by humans to communicate with each other.  It's a great tool, but a flawed one, because words can be untrue, insincere, and careless.  God doesn't need such a tool, as He can see into our soul.
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