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Aaron Abram
March 06, 2008 at 11:15am
I got into a debate about this once, I was on your end of the argument as I thought it meant you had to be of Catholic faith. In the case of this creed, catholic means universal because it is not capitalized as in Roman Catholic Church.

So it is saying, I believe in one holy catholic (universal) and apostolic (derived from the teachings of the twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ - again not the Apostolic denomination) church.
 
That being the universal Christian church of which the Salvation Army is an evangelical part.

Hope this helps!
Elizabeth
March 06, 2008 at 11:40am
Thanks Aaron! I really appreciate you taking the time to read this article and helping instead of judging me about my confusion. Thanks a milllion!
6:24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:


Blessings!

paul delucia
March 06, 2008 at 11:45am
Elizabeth,    I'd never seen this before (on mychurch,org)
No, I'm not catholic.
Yes, I am a Christian.    Thank You Jesus !!!
Elizabeth
March 06, 2008 at 11:50am

Not sure if you're correcting me Paul or agreeing? But thx for commenting.
But "Yes...thank you Jesus"!!

golden2100
March 06, 2008 at 12:24pm
               I was brought up a Roman Catholic. that sounds like the old "Apostle's creed" we used to say every Sunday. I left the Roman Catholic Church many years ago and am now a non-denominational Christian. That is I go strictly by the Bible and not by any man-woman lead. Jesus is my church!
I was a Roman Catholic when I was in the Army. I used to go to "Mass" on the perimeter.
We would take turns guarding and at times would have to kill the enemy and then go up for communion.
I am much happier now as I am. my son is still a Roman Catholic. one daughter is a Seventh Day Adventist. I'm not sure about my other two girls. But they do love Jesus.
I have a great many issues towards the Roman Catholic Church. But, I'm not here to bash religion. Hope your happy and being fed in your church.
paul delucia
March 06, 2008 at 12:26pm
No, I wasn't correcting you....... I wasn't saying it wasn't there, just that I hadn't seen it :)
Elizabeth
March 06, 2008 at 12:40pm
Thanks for sharing Golden2100. I"m on board with you on the Roman Catholic Church and I'm not here to bash any religion either; specially since my entire generation and background roots are Catholic

Oh okay Paul thanks...yeah I hadn't seen it either until recently and since it puzzled my mind as why it said that...I thought I ask around with the hope of answers & thoughts :)

May God bless you all!
Maria Gon
March 06, 2008 at 12:50pm
Que pasa mija? esta malo esto aqui? Ya se va a volver feo por lo que entiendo, bueno no entiendo. Poque se pusieron bravos los catolicos.Why Mr. Paul is angry con usted, porque la quiere venir a correguir? no se deje mija. Los catolicos son buena gente. Si usted es asi de catolica no importa que rece ese credo. A pues mija no se deje
Elizabeth
March 06, 2008 at 1:05pm
No mi querida Señora Maria...no me esta coreguiendo el Señor Paul solo me dice que el no se habia fijado que en la pagina principal de mychurch dice que esta hecha para los Christianos que creen en el creedo que se usa usualmente en las misas Catolicas. Y pues me pregunta es "porque" dice eso? Yo creci en una iglesia Catolica toda mi vida y hasta unos años atras voy a la Christiana, no me gusto ningun sobre nombre de religion solo "Creo en un Dios, una Biblia, y trato de seguir Su palabra lo mas que puedo". Es mas toda mi generacion es Catolica y los amo con toda mi alma y claro que son buena gente. Y de eso se trata mi blog, pero muchas gracias Señora Maria por su apoyo y "claro que no me dejo", pues Jalisco no se raja...jeje!

La estimo apesar de no conocerla y que Dios me la bendiga!
Elizabeth
March 06, 2008 at 1:16pm

I need to clarify something...for my wonderful friends questioning my blog! Please don't misunderstand my confusion. This is a great Christ-based website, the fellowship, scriptures, Holy Spirit based blogs are all awesome...all I'm asking is "WHY" that statement is there? It might be a question I need to refer to the founder of this website, but honestly it's not going to change anything, so why ask   :)

May God Bless you ALL!

Cade_One
March 06, 2008 at 1:43pm
I am Catholic Christian and love our Lord so much.  I'm sorry that you did not find Him when you were Catholic.  The Liturgy is Christ-centered (Liturgy of His Word & Liturgy of the Eucharist).  The word catholic used in the creed means universal.  The Catholic Church wasn't coined, so to speak, the Catholic Church until later in Christian history.  The word catholic was first used c. 110 to describe the church by St. Ignatius of Antioch.  The term was probably being used orally prior to this however.  Hope this helps.  God Bless : )
Elizabeth
March 06, 2008 at 3:17pm
Thanks CADE... your commenti makes perfect sense. Between Aaron, you and a bunch of my friends (outside mychurch) I can finally say "Ooooh I get it now"...LOL!

Thanks again :)
Gene
March 10, 2008 at 4:28pm
Great question, Elizabeth.

This is a bit long but it explains some of what you're wondering.  On Wikipedia is a brief history of the Nicene Creed.  The creed is a benchmark for faith and is not claimed to be the exclusive property of any denomination or Christian group.  The links are from Wikipedia.
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History

The purpose of a creed is to act as a yardstick of correct belief. A creed is an epitome, not a full definition, of what is required for orthodoxy. It was hoped that by memorizing this summary of the faith, lay people without extensive theological training would still be able to recognize deviations from orthodox doctrines based on the Bible as interpreted in Christian Tradition.

The Nicene Creed, both in its original and revised formulas, is an implicit condemnation of specific beliefs as errors. Thus, as different variations in Christian belief evolved in the fourth century and were perceived as threats, new phrases were seen to be needed, like amendments to a constitution. As the historical developments of a constitutional society can be traced through amendments to its constitution, the particular theological developments in a religious society show in the successive forms of its written creed.

Positively, the Nicene Creed establishes the concept of the Trinity as a central doctrine of mainstream Christianity.

The original Nicene Creed of 325

The original Nicene Creed was first adopted in 325 at the First Council of Nicaea. At that time, the text ended after the words "We believe in the Holy Spirit", after which an anathema was added.[1]

The Coptic Church has the tradition that the original creed was authored by Pope Athanasius I of Alexandria. F. J. A. Hort and Adolf Harnack argued that the Nicene creed was the local creed of Caesarea brought to the council by Eusebius of Caesarea. J.N.D. Kelly sees as its basis a baptismal creed of the Syro-Phoenician family, related to (but not dependent on) the creed cited by Cyril of Jerusalem and to the creed of Eusebius.

Soon after the Council of Nicaea, new formulae of faith were composed, most of them variations of the Nicene Symbol, to counter new phases of Arianism. The Catholic Encyclopedia identifies at least four before the Council of Sardica (341), where a new form was presented and inserted in the Acts of the Council, though it was not agreed on.

The Nicene Creed of 381

The second Ecumenical Council in 381 added the section that follows the words "We believe in the Holy Spirit" (without the words "and the son");[2] hence the name "Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed", referring to the Creed as it was after the modification in Constantinople. This is the received text of the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches[3] but in the liturgy they use a modified form of it, changing the plural verbs by which the Fathers of the Council collectively professed their faith to the singular of the individual Christian's profession of faith.

The third Ecumenical Council reaffirmed the 381 version, and decreed that "it is unlawful for any man to bring forward, or to write, or to compose a different (ἑτέραν) Faith as a rival to that established by the holy Fathers assembled with the Holy Ghost in Nicæa."[4] Some have interpreted this as a prohibition against changing this creed or composing others, but not all accept this interpretation.[5] This question must be considered against the background of long and continuous controversy in the Church concerning the nature of the Trinity, and of Jesus in particular; and the question whether a creed proclaimed by an Ecumenical Council is a definitive and final statement of belief or subject to change.

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Cade_One is right.  It's important to remember that when the Christian faith was begun amongst the Gentiles there was no word to describe how it applied across gender, ethnic and historic demarcations.  We can now see it as being something that is unique to each small group yet broad across the earth.  The word "catholic" is not exactly the same as "universal" but it conveys the concept.  Many churches change the word to "universal" if they are not part of a Roman catholic background.  But it should not be confused with the current thinking on "universalism" as a faith.

I saw this on MyChurch recently.  I think it's a good benchmark and I'm glad it's there.

Peace!

Elizabeth
March 11, 2008 at 10:37am
Thanks Gene for your thorough answer...I really appreciate it :)

I think it's a great creed, so thank you!

Blessings!
Lara Leger
March 11, 2008 at 11:02am
lol Most ppl who aren't Catholic, when they hear it, it leaves out that line.  We have quoted it in church once before and it doesn't say that part, of course, since we are so-called "non-denominationals."  Hey! It's an honest question you pose.
Elizabeth
March 11, 2008 at 1:24pm
Thanks Lara :)

Blessings!
Mike n Laura
March 11, 2008 at 1:42pm
When we were younger and used to recite the Nicene (or Apostles) creed, Laura (the better half of mike n laura) would simply skip over the word....she couldn't bring herself to say it! That had a lot to do with her upbringing. But now that she understands the business about believing in a "universal" church (as opposed to merely a local one) she's cool with it! Great blog, you really brought out all the smart people!
Elizabeth
March 11, 2008 at 7:13pm
Awwww thx "Mike & Laura" for your input & encouragement! I know where Laura's coming from I feel the same way & not fond of a religious title :)

God Bless!
Bongomonster
April 10, 2008 at 8:17pm

Although catholic does mean "universal/general" (derived from the greek word katholikos), the Catholic Church already has the term distinguished as the Catholic Church.  In my opinion, for the sake of clarity the word catholic should not be used in the Christian Churches.  Why would a Christian Church use the word "catholic Church" when you can easily use the word Christian Church?  If you're a Catholic Church you should say "Catholic Church" (instead of catholic Church) and Christians should say Christian Church.  Wouldn't this clarify thing? 

Why does mychurch.org have that whole thing about nicene creed in the front page anyways?  is the apostle's creed unacceptable?

 :) 

Mike n Laura
April 10, 2008 at 10:07pm

Bongo, it's a pretty standard statement of faith, accepted for many centuries by Christians across the denominational spectrum, from Catholics to Protestants and Eastern Orthodox. Some Protestant churches substitute "universal" for "catholic", but most simply keep the original wording, since "Roman Catholicism" wasn't intended from the start.

Elizabeth
April 11, 2008 at 7:40am
Thanks Mike n Laura for responding to Bongo...!

God bless you both!
Gene
April 12, 2008 at 11:00am
More more thought for Bongo:
The term catholic and Christian and not synonymous.

Christian is a specific form of belief in the person and salvation granted through Jesus.  It could be viewed as being limited or restricted in some fashion; a special club, if you will.

The term "catholic" means transcending typical barriers and boundaries.  It is a very special attribute of the Christian church and differs from the Roman thought (although THAT is changing as well in many circles)  The Roman form is only one faction. 

How you capitalize it makes all the difference - It's the catholic Church not the Catholic church.
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