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Becky
March 31, 2008 at 7:57pm
Wow. You always write about what I need to hear at just the right time. I hope I can always be a sheep and not a wolf. Thanks Mike much needed.
Cheryl from Ga
March 31, 2008 at 8:02pm
Amen!!!
Dennis_oldHowe
March 31, 2008 at 8:07pm
I've survived a number of these kinds of "attacks". Often these are also people who have been wounded by some minor slight, and then work at getting back at everyone around them. I am amazed that forgiveness is often way too hard for some people. I also do pray that I will always be quick to forgive, I know God has been that way to me.
Good post Mike!
Mike n Laura
March 31, 2008 at 8:10pm
Dennis, been a while since I've heard from you. (But then, it's also been a while since I've contacted YOU! ...sorry!) Hey, I've been praying for that "crossroads" you mentioned a while back. Wanna message me an update?

Cheryl, your amen means more to me than you'll know!

Becky, thank YOU! God's timing is always perfect -- it is good to know God sets his watch by my blogs! lol...JUST KIDDING!
Cheryl
March 31, 2008 at 8:15pm
Amen!!
Grant
March 31, 2008 at 8:21pm
eweAre we speaking of wolves, goats or merely bossy old ewes in the flock here? I once heard a description of sheep in a paddock. I asked a farmer who, in a mixed flock, usually leads. He said that sometimes there is a bossy old ewe, who will lead the way. Bossy old ewes are the head-butting kind, who will push and shove the other sheep around until they submit. Every church I've ever been in has at least one of these.
Mike n Laura
March 31, 2008 at 8:26pm
Hmm Grant, thinking if there's one of those in our current church. I think so, maybe several, but none that have any real power. Our church culture is actually one of perceived refuge for those hurt by previous churches. I have heard many such stories from the people I go to church with! (It's uncanny! Coincidence? I wouldn't go quite that far.)

Cher, thank you too for the amen, means a lot coming from you!
Gary Robison
March 31, 2008 at 8:28pm

True, I am at times wearing that wolf skin, to my shame.

I try to justify it by what I feel the Lord has told me, but in reality, it is what the Lord has told "me".

I get riled up unjustifiably, because I "feel" that what I received should be heard by everyone, when the one speaking often is the one that needs to hear the most, what the Lord is saying.

There are times that the Lord speaks to the body, but not in a forceful manner, because He said:

Mat 7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
 

So if they don't want to hear, I can't try to force someone to hear me, because again He said:

Mat 13:15  For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
 

Mike n Laura
March 31, 2008 at 8:36pm
I try to justify it by what I feel the Lord has told me, but in reality, it is what the Lord has told "me".

Gary, wow that is a mature thing to say! I'm proud to call you "brother"! Bless your humble heart! Actually, I have struggled with that very same thing. It is soooo hard to separate God's word to me from God's word to the world.

You remind me of this relevant scripture, that God has used to bring me back into submission time and time again: "For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you." (Rom 12:3)
Gary Robison
March 31, 2008 at 8:42pm

Amen, it is a narrow road to walk, but the rewards are worth the struggle.

Praise to the Lord for His rod of correction, and Yes it does hurt for a time, but the welts go away, but the memory is embedded in my spirit!

And the love and hugs He gives when we come back to Him are so wondrous.

The Lord does not need me to speak His words, but I need Him to know His Word! 

Mike n Laura
March 31, 2008 at 8:46pm
Manhugs to you for sharing this, Gary. Thanks for putting your pride aside for the benefit of all who read!!
Kathy
March 31, 2008 at 8:48pm
Good word, Mike!  A good measuring stick for evaluating our own interchanges as well as others'.  Not everyone who calls Him "Lord, Lord" is walking toward the sheepfold, but thankfully He allows turn-arounds!
Mike n Laura
March 31, 2008 at 8:52pm
hehehe..we just passed like ships in the night, Kathy. I just messaged you! :-)

Yes, this scripture is a great one for evaluating the "wisdom" that comes at us daily! Style does indeed count!!
TIGERT
March 31, 2008 at 9:21pm
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Birdie Courtright
March 31, 2008 at 10:05pm
Excellent blog Mike! As I was reading this, I had to check myself....hoping I'm coming across as a sheeply sheep to the rest of the flock. YIKES! Great food for thought--think I'll munch on it for awhile. 
Blessings Brother!  
Ms Melanie
March 31, 2008 at 10:17pm

Thanks so much for this timely blog, Mike.   If you only knew how timely this is!   (God does know and I give Him all the glory for prompting you to write this, and you get credit for obeying!!) 

I encountered recently a sheep in wolf's clothing... their cancerous verbal abuse had gone undetected their entire life and they almost appeared to be a Pharisee in certain ways.   Their 'wisdom' was definitely not bearing fruit from the Word and the lesson I learned was that a Godly sheep cannot talk, or communicate, with a wolf or Pharisee.   Reminded me of when I was working for a Pastor in Japan... the language barrier was enormous and unless I spoke fluent Japanese I was literally useless in the marketplace.  Ha!    I learned a lot from what Gary said above.  Bravo Gary!

Mike, I was blessed by your points: 1 - 7.   Great points and so true, thank you!

A soft answer turns away wrath... and walking in love is a barometer for discerning the differences between a wolf vs a sheep. 

Thanks again, Mike.   I can see clearly now, my recent situation and praise God for delivering me in time.

Melanie

Ed
April 01, 2008 at 5:46am
Wow!  Most of the time we blog and talk about things outside the flock that try to get inside.  Your insight has made me think about those inside that would coerce others to see only their slanted viewpoints.  The Bible is replete with cautions about those who would interfere with the development of early Christian churches.  Thanks Mike, wolves come in all kinds of clothing don't they?   
Doyle Crowe
April 01, 2008 at 5:52am
         AMEN!!!
MichaelATL43
April 01, 2008 at 6:09am
I bet deep down that wolf really wants to be a sheep anyway. Maybe he's hanging around the flock hoping that some of their wool may bring forth static cling?

Great Word my Brother!
Amy
April 01, 2008 at 8:22am
Mike thanks for posting this blog. Have a blessed day!
Amy
April 01, 2008 at 8:23am
 Oh yeah! I forgot to say "yes you got a witness, and a amen on that!"  
Mike n Laura
April 01, 2008 at 8:30am
TigerT, you da man!

Thank you Michael, Amy, and Doyle...you guys rock my world!

Ed, thanks man, yeah this does put a slightly different spin on things. Why in the heck would a sheep put on wolf's clothing??? Only for selfish reasons, and likely out of ignorance. Few things cause division in the church like ignorance. Watch out, it's a wolf!!! No wait, it just looks like one. And it can do as much damage I'm afraid.

Birdie, you are so doggone encouraging! You usually are. I don't think you have to worry much about wolf's clothing. I've seen your closets and there's nothing in there but white fluff! lol

Melanie....awesome comment sister! I'm starting to think a blog isn't complete until you've commented on it! I see you have experience w/a sheep in wolf's clothing. They may be saved, but man are they un-Christlike! God bless you today sister!
Amy
April 01, 2008 at 8:43am
 Hey mike, one of the things that is posted on our churchs website, is that we are interdenominational. My pastor is 100% italian and grew up in a family that went to Catholic church faithfully. Altho he and all of his family are not going to the catholic church anymore, he has a statement he always says when he refers to his beginnings as a catholic and it is " I dont kick my play-pen." LOL! We are a church that is made up of many backgrounds and I like that i am in a enviorment where everyone is welcomed no matter what background you are from. My husband says he is a "penta-bapti- episcolist!" But what it all boils down to is we love our Lord! God bless you brother!
Plumbline Ministries
April 01, 2008 at 9:45am

Amen!  I would definately say that as individuals and as HIS body should do as Gary so humbly brought out, as I have missed it in this area as well.  Sometime the Word is for "ME".  

I experienced and learned this first hand sometime ago.  In my excitement and passion to be used by GOD I thought this specific Word from the LORD was for a certain person....so I shared it with them.  Wow, did that ever backfire!  I did what I should and apologized, it was at that moment the LORD showed me that not everything He shares with me is for everyone else.   I sometimes think that maybe Joseph might have felt that way when he was in the pit, or in the jail.

It's a GREAT thing that GOD can and will use all things for good for HIS glory for those who are called according to His purpose and who love Him.

On the flip side, I have encountered those sheep in wolves clothing and the wolves in sheeps clothing, both hurt but the one on the inside usually causes much more damage because the other sheep don't see it coming.  That is when discernment comes in.  From my perspective, from both sides, FORGIVENESS is paramount to not getting caught in the teeth.

However, I will say this, that it is most likely easier for the LORD to work with a person that is excited and passionate about Him, His Word & His ways than someone that has no interest.  Do not stop listening to Him just because you made a mistake.  Always, always, always check your motive for sharing a Word in which He gave you.   Remain humble, teachable, moldable, pliable and sincere in your motives. 

We are one body, each one of us has a very important role and without each one of us the body will not operate or function to the level in which CHRIST intended.

Ms Melanie
April 01, 2008 at 10:14am
Greetings to you, Mike...! 

I wanted to ask you, based on whether you have time to comment or not, what you think the difference is between a wolf in sheep's clothing and/or a sheep in wolf's clothing?   

I think, possibly, either one has positioned themselves as a horizontal thinker and talker.   Everything they see, hear, taste, feel, touch is based on what they see and know in the natural realm (no faith or spiritual thinking). 

And those of us who are humbly submitted to the Word and His Spirit are living our lives as vertical thinkers and talkers - looking unto Jesus as the author and finisher of our faith and our standards for living (all faith and trust). 

Can they really communicate?   Do they really 'get it'??   Is there really agreement other than to agree to disagree?  

Fascinating discussion, Mike.   You are a blessing and I do hope and pray you have considered writing books or perhaps devotional(s).   Again... I volunteer to edit!!  :-)

Blessings on you and your family today and always...   Melanie

P.S.  Do you think this is not really a day for practical jokes but a day for the Truth and Purity of His Word to penetrate the hearts and minds of God's people and those He desires to come into the Kingdom for such a time as this. 
Our identity is hidden in HIM... as humble sheep walking and talking vertically not horizontally... that is our lifestyle; the wearing of the armor and never taking it off.  

Gary Robison
April 01, 2008 at 12:54pm

here is an interesting fact/analogy,

when a sheep in wolf clothing bite, they grind their food

Since they eat a variety of plants, sheep have developed special adaptations for their eating habits. They have lost their canine teeth but have developed large, flat cheek teeth with raised ridges. When chewing, the teeth move side-to-side and front-to-back in a triangular motion to grind food. 

where as wolves avoid using too much energy catching their food, wolves prey on weaker members of a herd, such as old, young or sick animals. They rip and tear their food.

SOOOO, when I, as a sheep in wolves clothing bite my brother, I grind and grind until they are pulp, but a wolf in sheep clothing tears and rips the brother.

I am so sorry for grinding on you brothers/sisters, and prayerfully will keep my teeth off of you.

If you catch me grinding a brother Lord, please grab your shepherd staff and pop me in the head and nudge me back into place Lord. 

Deb
April 01, 2008 at 1:25pm
I know a few of these wolves, and I hope that I treat them as Jesus would, even if they try my patience!
woman of laughter
April 01, 2008 at 1:46pm
good blog
Gene
April 01, 2008 at 5:22pm
Ahhhh!  The old trick of eating and drinking with tax collectors and prostitutes without drunkenness, stealing and . .  well. . .  Anyway!  It is a real trick to be able to not push away those in the world and act like the proverbial stuck-up religious freak while not acting so LIKE the world taht a person picks up the trappings and falls to the temptations.  There are numerous examples out there and we all know them.

So, instead we need to be "like sheep among wolves - as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves."
JayKTX
April 01, 2008 at 7:04pm
Good insight, Mike.
Mike n Laura
April 01, 2008 at 7:08pm
Another interesting comment Gene, you are on a roll!!

Thank you woman of laughter, and Deb! Hey Deb, I've seen you interact with a sheep in wolf suit once or twice....you were exemplary in your graciousness!

Gary, wow, that is definitely taking the metaphor places I had not envisioned! lol ...But hey, it works! (Your insight really intrigues me.) I pray that I don't find you grinding or ripping our brothers/sisters, and if I do....well, the shepherd staff cometh!
Mike n Laura
April 01, 2008 at 7:13pm
Helloooo Janell, thanks! I see you are back to your sweet grandmotherly self.....gone is the body builder physique! (I think you look better this way.)
Brother Todd
April 01, 2008 at 7:20pm
In other words they are "goats."  We have to endure them for now.  God will separate the sheep from the goats one day.  Where envy and strife is confusion and every evil work is there. With spiritual insight/discernment it is real easy to spot the wolf in sheeps clothing, but what is so scary is that we have become so accustomed the world, and the world's way of doing things, that we don't even know the difference anymore between who's on who's team.  That's why the wisdom of God is to let the grow together until the end time harvest.  Best thing we can do is to put on the whole armor of God and cast down every imagination that exalts itself against the authority of Christ.  
Mike n Laura
April 01, 2008 at 7:33pm
Melanie!! Great points! I would agree that both the sheep (believer) in wolf's clothing and wolf (unbeliever) in sheep's clothing appear to be horizontal thinkers (great term!!) for the most part, seeing only the paths to their own satisfaction. Neither appears to be under the influence of the Holy Spirit when behaving in that manner -- the sheep in it's brutishness nor the wolf in it's guile. Also, both appear to be horribly deceived!

On the contrary, it stands to reason that a sheep seeking to know and be like it's Master will indeed be thinking vertically for the most part.
Mike n Laura
April 01, 2008 at 7:40pm
Hey Brother Todd! Howdy!

I was actually giving such ones the benefit of the doubt....I think believers can indeed become confused and deceived, and behave very badly! Like wolves in fact! This doesn't make them goats. But another fact is that some may indeed be goats! Those who will one day cry, "Lord, Lord, didn't we do such and such for you?" And he will say "Depart from me, I never knew you!"

Thanks for your comment, Todd!
Brother Todd
April 01, 2008 at 7:54pm

No doubt Christians behave badly.  The Bible calls the "carnal" "fleshly" etc...I have to back up and agree with you.  However, that is what struck me as I read your blog.  Those who consistentenly misbehave certainly are not true beleivers. A good tree produces good fruit and a bad tree bad fruit.  But, I do conceed that we (especially me) misbehave and dishonor His name.  

Mike n Laura
April 01, 2008 at 8:08pm

Indeed some Christians are an enigma. One minute they seem to be genuine loving brothers/sisters. But then, disagree with them or take the wrong stance on their pet doctrine, and Mr Hyde (or the wolf) appears. There are also some that just don't go very far in their walks, don't comprehend love, humility, grace. These I do wonder about, Todd. Cuz we can tell them by their fruit, as you say. Still I try to be generous and give the benefit of the doubt as much as possible.

Brother Todd
April 01, 2008 at 8:49pm
That's right we love them.  As it is written, "The Lord knows who are his."
hopefienddave
April 02, 2008 at 2:13am
I was gonna post something from 1 John and say something Brilliant but there are already a bunch of good comments and of course this was another excellent post.  Sheep with hardenes hearts,  trying to climb to the top of the flock.  at least that's the mental image I'm getting.
Mike n Laura
April 02, 2008 at 2:26am
Hey Dave, now there's a vivid image! True in at least some cases I would imagine.
paul delucia
April 02, 2008 at 7:23am
Hey Mike,       Not a   b-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-d  blog !       (hopefully)
mstovall2003
April 02, 2008 at 8:28am
How do you counter these types of people?  I for one do not argue, I make my point, may comment to a certain extent and then I am through with it.  There are some people who will argue until ---- freezes over.  I counter with love, listening.  One thing I have learned is that you can't argue with yourself... You have to have an audience to argue, criticize, manipulate, and I don't give room for that.  I can love you from a distance and I do, but I don' have to be around you.  I constantly keep them in my prayers and pray that my Father will open their eyes, heal their hearts and bring them closer to him.

Great Blog Mike
Eric
April 02, 2008 at 8:35am
Mike wrote, "But once in a while, we actually encounter a sheep inside the fold who acts more like the wolves so common in the “world” outside."

Huh, that's not the direction I thought you were going to go in.  I've met scary people on the street (wolves) who turn out to be undercover, Christ-following Christians.  Finds like those are a joy :)

Good blog nonetheless.
Mike n Laura
April 02, 2008 at 8:49am
Eric, I hope that people you encounter on the street who turn out to be Christ-following Christians aren't scary!!!

Mary, it's good if you can stand your ground in the face of a wolfish sheep. Many (most?) can't, they are intimidated, understandably. Thanks for your strength, I hope it's contagious!

Paul...LOL
mstovall2003
April 02, 2008 at 10:30am
It is intimidating Mike at times.  However, I just ask God to give me the strength and the grace to deal with them in love and peace.  Now that is not to say that the Old Self doesn't want to rear her ugly head  because some people will try to put you in that place, but  believe me when I say it takes a DOUBLE DOSE of prayers and repentance but I persevere.  God is so good and he continually stands with me.
Plumbline Ministries
April 02, 2008 at 11:40am
really good blog....
Pastor Tim
April 02, 2008 at 10:29pm
Great insight Mike and I couldn't agree more. I love your contrasts between the heavenly approach and wolfy wisdom.
Joey
April 02, 2008 at 11:00pm

I was fooled by a sheep in wolves clothes and understand all about that stuff now.  But where does the goat fit in?

Mike n Laura
April 03, 2008 at 4:59am
Mary, your perseverance is admirable!! Fear not, says the Lord, right?

Thanks Plumbline! BTW, sorry I didn't respond to your earlier comment. I especially liked "Always, always, always check your motive for sharing a Word in which He gave you.   Remain humble, teachable, moldable, pliable and sincere in your motives." which went hand in hand with "I thought this specific Word from the LORD was for a certain person....so I shared it with them.  Wow, did that ever backfire!  I did what I should and apologized". You may have come across as a rather wolfly person when you shared, but most definitely reverted to a sheep when you apologized. As I've said before, apologies are lovely!! I say "I'm sorry" every day!!! Wolves rarely if ever say it!
Mike n Laura
April 03, 2008 at 5:00am
Thanks Pastor Tim, always appreciate hearing from you!

Joey, my Joey....(the goat is a different metaphor.....don't mix 'em!! lol)
Deborah
April 03, 2008 at 6:17am
Thanks for this, Mike.  It's nice to know that I'm not the only one encountering such people.  :-)  I try to the best of my ability to act in a Christ-like manner; however, I am only human and do succumb to the flesh at times when dealing with one particular person as you've described in your post.  This sort of reminds me of the old song..."And they'll now we are Christians by our love...."  When people use bullying tactics, etc., to get their points across, they're really not coming forth humbly to share the Word.
Cheryl
April 03, 2008 at 6:25am
I like what Paul said {not Paul of the Bible, but Paul with the great wife named Sue!} not a
"b a a a a a a d blog!"     hehehehehe
Mike n Laura
April 03, 2008 at 7:28am
No worries Dennis, the concept of treating people primarily on the basis of grace and mercy is most definitely not a doctrine that is built on one scripture. Your examples are actually the isolated cases, not mine. And regarding anger, our Lord also said this:

"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Matt 5:22)
Cheryl
April 03, 2008 at 7:34am
From a Ministry view point, the point Mike is making is 100% correct...anger management is part of the therapy I counsel with as a Biblical Encourager.  Have taken extensive classes over anger management and as a professional public speaker...one knows trying to convey any point to another in a offensive tone will 'turn-off' the hearer and ultimately turn them from your main view point ...which should be Jesus.

Peace and Blessings~