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Kristine
April 02, 2008 at 3:29pm
GREAT blog Suzanne!!!  One of the songs I do not like that came out a few years was "Famous One."  I dislike it so much!  Our God is sooooo much more than famous!  To call Him that is putting Him in too small of a category.
Cheryl
April 02, 2008 at 3:36pm
Awesome post!  We learn most effectively through music.  That is why mozart is played to infants still in the womb...to stimulate the thinking process/area of the brain as it develops.  Music is used to help us learn foreign languages easily. Music is one of the important aspects of worshipping God.  satan was the heavenly music director, he knows the impact it has on us...look at the avenue he is using through music.  Sooz, you did it again! Awesome blog lady! :)
Soozanne
April 02, 2008 at 4:03pm
Kristine, I am in full agreement.  And don't get me started about David rebuilding the temple of praise.  Please.

Cheryl, thanks.  To GOD be the glory in all things, including music!
Kristine
April 02, 2008 at 4:36pm

Football freak - I just checked out your page and you give me such hope for your generation!!!  You have blessed me today without even knowing it!!  God bless you and your family!

Now, I know your question was for Sooz, but I have to say Casting Crowns has lyrics that touch to the core.  I will have to investigate further now, but off the top of my head I see them as scripturally ok - please correct me if I am wrong...

Soozanne
April 02, 2008 at 4:42pm

FF, I'm sorry, but I don't keep up with all the bands.  I do love Casting Crowns, though.  "East to West," and "Prayer for a Friend" are very moving. 

My suggestion to you is to not blindly take anyone's word for it.  Get into The Word and find out for yourself.  If the song in question has some key ideas you'd like to be more sure about, go to www.biblegateway.com and do some research. 

To use the example I used, Trading my Sorrows, you might type in "joy" and "sorrow" or "trials" in the search box there and see what pops up.  My guess is that you'd find many of the scripture references I used in my blog.  Hold the song lyrics up to the light of God's Word as a standard. 

If that seems too complicated, ask a leader in your church to help you do the research.  If they are in leadership, they should be willing and able to help you with this.  

As an old fogey, I love listening to Hillsongs praise music.  Much of their music is awesome!  Every once in awhile, though, they release a song that doesn't ring true with scripture.  I wish I could think of one right now, but I'm drawing a blank.  I know it's happened, though; I just can't remember the details.  Old age strikes again!  Just because some of their songs miss the mark doesn't mean there aren't other songs written by that talented team that hit the scriptural nail squarely on the head. 

Sometimes bands get caught up with making nice rhymes or pretty lyrics and make a mistake.  That doesn't mean all of their music is out of line.  It just means they need to spend more time in God's Word, the Bible.  Completely dismissing all music from a band should only be necessary if the band's theology is completely messed up.  That is not usually the case with people who love our Savior enough to commit their careers to praise Him through music. 

My best suggestion is to read your Bible every day.  Most people suggest beginning with the book of John.  I'm a big fan of the book of James, but whatever you read will be helpful.  (2 Timothy 3:16) Over time you will find that, as you listen to music, scripture will come to your mind that either affirms the lyrics of the songs or refutes them.  It happens to me all the time! 

That's not the easiest way, but it is the best way.  Some of the best advise I ever got was this:

Sometimes you know what you are doing is the right thing to do because it is the hardest thing to do. 

Committing to reading the Bible and making an effort to apply the principles found in it is a challenge that can be difficult at times, but it will reap you infinite rewards!

~Sooz

woman of laughter
April 02, 2008 at 4:46pm
I agree totally with your blog
Mike n Laura
April 02, 2008 at 7:49pm
Sooz, your point is extremely valid, and this is such a well written blog! However that said, I can't entirely agree that the song you quoted above is necessarily biblically inaccurate. "I'm trading my sorrow, I'm trading my shame, I'm laying it down for the joy of the Lord." Paul says in 1 Thess 5:16, "Be joyful always". And the prophet Habakkuk wrote that despite all of his earthly travails, "yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will be joyful in God my Savior." The point of the song seems biblical to me, that we need to make a conscious effort to "be joyful", joy isn't just something that happens because our circumstances are just right. So there is a context in which this song is very biblical. Sorry, I hate to take a contrary point of view with one of my favorite bloggers in the world!!

Still, I AGREE that we must keep our brains engaged as we sing these songs, and especially as we listen to supposed Christian radio. After all, when our guard is down is precisely when we are in the greatest peril of accepting erroneous teachings and theology. So I say, despite my argumentative nature, great blog!!

ps... Almost the only music I feel totally comfortable playing for my children is classical.
Soozanne
April 02, 2008 at 8:12pm
Yes, Mike.  I know.  I see your point.  I just think the whole "laying it down" thing crosses a line with me.  It's like the scriptures I referenced say, we can have joy in our circumstances, even if our circumstances don't change.  In my pain, in my sickness, in my grief, God is still glorious and I will rejoice in Him.  I will have joy in my salvation no matter my circumstances. 

The perspective you share is what I keep in mind when we sing this song at church.  In my heart of hearts, though, I can't reconcile the "laying it down" part.  I will still sing it, but I can't fully embrace the sentiment.  It may just be my overly-literal nature taking over.  We all have our shortcomings. 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!  See?  We can disagree and still enjoy the conversation!  :-)

~Sooz
Mike n Laura
April 02, 2008 at 8:23pm
Yay!!
Kathy
April 02, 2008 at 8:27pm
Interesting blog, Sooze!  And oddly I was thinking about this just this morning.  I was feeling so happy that I started singing a song I used to sing at church when I was a preschooler, and I thought "wow - where did that come from? - I had forgotten all about that song."  It's a happy song, and it fit my mood perfectly this morning, but as I was singing I was thinking that the theology wasn't very sound.  Another "happy all the time" song.
Mike n Laura
April 02, 2008 at 8:32pm
Happy all the time? Who wrote that song? They're crazy! They're in denial! They're not human!!!
Kathy
April 02, 2008 at 8:34pm
lol Mike - I agree, but the theology was fine when I was 4, and this morning!    :)
Soozanne
April 02, 2008 at 8:41pm

Kathy, great minds think alike!  I sang that same song in Sunday School as a preschooler.  It was fun to sing it faster and faster until we all collapsed into a laughing pile on the floor.  But, alas, not accurate from a biblical standpoint. 

Phooey.  Now I've got that song stuck in my head!  ;-P

voice_in_dc
April 03, 2008 at 10:22am
Soozanne, great post. Couldn't agree more. To Football Freaks comment - all of those groups are well grounded in the Lord. However, to Soozanne's point, it isn't the person behind the song as much as it is the words of the song being sung. 
Deb
April 03, 2008 at 11:26am
Very good blog Soozanne!  I know a lot of the songs on the radio today have a biblical basis, but some do not.  I will be listening more closely now!
Cade_One
April 03, 2008 at 12:06pm

As a Catholic Christian there are a lot of Christian songs that have a theology to them that I wouldn't call sound.  On the subjust of suffering you wrote:

I have commented in the past here about some songs that we sing in church, but somehow don't seem doctrinally sound to me. For example:

"I'm trading my sickness, I'm trading my pain, I'm laying them down for the joy of the Lord."

While I like the thought, it doesn't jibe with what scripture says. We can't just lay down our sickness, walk away from it and have only the joy of the Lord to contend with. Sometimes, no matter how much we'd like to dump pain on the side of the road and leave it there, our suffering instead becomes a part of our lives and, hopefully, a part of our witness. We can, however, rejoice in our suffering (Romans 5:3-5), knowing it will mature us in our faith. We can also count our trials (i.e. suffering and pain) as joy (James 1:2-4) for the same reason. But that is not the same thing as laying down our sickness and pain.

I totally agree with you.  We can offer up our suffering which brings us closer to Christ.  Not "lay  them down for the joy of the Lord." as you have suggested the song says.  We don't trade our pain for the Joy of the Lord.  The pain can co-exist in our Joy of the Lord and is given meaning when we join our sufferings with the suffering Christ endured for us.

Great Post Soozanne!

Soozanne
April 03, 2008 at 2:49pm
Thanks for all of your thoughts and input!  This is one of the things I LOVE about MyChurch!
Glenn
April 07, 2008 at 11:12am
Hey Sooz, a little late to the party here, but I agree we need to be a little more decerning in the choice of our music.

We have tried to instill this into our children, sometimes they make good choices, sometimes not, but mostly they seek out bands who are following Christ and that is what we were aiming for as we raised them.  I find myself listening to their CDs in my car even when they are not with me, and I usually smile when I can figure out the lyrics.   
thanks for a well written blog.
peace
Paul
April 07, 2008 at 11:37am
I don't post often, but I have to say something about Mr. Duncan's statement:
I believe that, along with most Baptists, my theology was shaped through the singing of hymns... Although I didn't understand everything I was singing as a young boy, the theological deposits being made during these formative years provided anchors for my life. As a result, the teaching impact through singing our hymns cannot be understated.

I just really have a problem with someone having their theology shaped through singing hymns.  It explains a lot about where the church is today that we are being shaped and shaping our kids through the hymns we sing.  I have had the same sensitivity Sooz has expressed, and it seems to me that all our music, decisions, thoughts, feelings, understanding, and truth should be shaped by only one thing.  The Father's word.  If God didn't say it was true, it isn't.

Paul
Cade_One
April 07, 2008 at 1:02pm

"If God didn't say it was true [in sacred scripture], it isn't?"

Paul,

I see what you are trying to say here, but I would have to disagree, slightly.  There are many things that God did not directly say in scripture, but we can know them to be true through His natural law.  God is the creator of natural law.  For instance, what is your view of artificial contraception?  Did God design a woman's natural fertility?  I see these commercials on television trying to eliminate a woman's menstrual cycle.  But what is the sciences behind these products?  And more importantly, are they going against God's natural law?  There actually are scripture passages in the old testament that allude to contracepting as being morally wrong, but most protestant denominations today do not see a problem with contracepting.  Is this because it is not directly mentioned in the Bible or do we need to "just get with the times"?  These are honest questions, we as Christians, need to ask ourselves and should pray about. Should we classify these as small "t" truths and classify the truths explicitly mentioned in scripture as big "T" truths?

Apologies for getting off of the main topic...
 

Soozanne
April 07, 2008 at 1:54pm

OOH!  New Chimers In! 

Quick point:  In a perfect world, or even in a world only slightly less lazy and sin-inflicted than our own, we would definitely form our theology directly from scripture. 

However...

We are in a lazy, sin-inflicted world.  It is much easier to learn about Christ and Christian living through singing along on the radio than to actually set aside time to read and consider scripture.  That is part of our nature - to look for the easiest way to do something. 

Besides that, the simple act of listening to music, watching television programs, reading books, etc, etc, influences the way we perceive the world, God and each other.  It is how we are wired.  That's why we have to be careful about what information we allow into our lives.  It is really easy to assume if a song is labeled "Christian", then it's fine.  It is easy to assume the same thing about books and even movies. 

As a child especially, I know my ideas about faith, Jesus, heaven, etc, were influenced greatly by the songs we sang at church.  In my innocence I assumed if we sung it in church, it had to be true.  I think most people do that. 

I don't think we have to have a problem with someone who does that.  I think we might want to take a second look at the writers of those songs and the churches who sing them, though.  We live in a world of damaged people who need help and encouragement.  It would be nice if the church (as in Us, the people, the body) could be a place where they can find that help. 

Discernment is a learned behavior.  That often necessitates a teacher.  Older teaching the younger and all that...Titus 2:1-8

That would be us.

Paul
April 08, 2008 at 4:25pm
Cade,
What I meant was that all truth comes from the Father.  In fact, Jesus said, "I am the truth".  That means God is the originator, author, and authority on what is true.  If it doesn't pass the "God agrees with this" test, it isn't true.  The same hold true for a lot of things, life, for instance.  I don't know what the Bible says about contraceptives.  I cannot comment on this, but I will say that if God doesn't want you to use contraceptives then you shouldn't.  I believe if the Bible addresses an issue directly then it is black and white, right or wrong.  If the Bible doesn't address it (and it doesn't violate any other of God's standards) that it is a liberty (ok for some, possibly sin for others).  And no, I don't think there is any gray in Truth.  It is either the (Big T) Truth or it is an untruth.
Cade_One
April 09, 2008 at 5:59am

Thank you for your response Paul.  We'll let this get back to the main topic of music. God Bless.

By the way, Matt Maher's new CD "Empty & Beautiful" came out yesterday!

Genipher
April 10, 2008 at 1:56pm
Sooz,

The following paragraph out of your blog is exactly what I needed to hear at this time in my life.


While I like the thought, it doesn't jibe with what scripture says. We can't just lay down our sickness, walk away from it and have only the joy of the Lord to contend with. Sometimes, no matter how much we'd like to dump pain on the side of the road and leave it there, our suffering instead becomes a part of our lives and, hopefully, a part of our witness. We can, however, rejoice in our suffering (
Romans 5:3-5), knowing it will mature us in our faith. We can also count our trials (i.e. suffering and pain) as joy (James 1:2-4) for the same reason. But that is not the same thing as laying down our sickness and pain.

Thank You for helping me, without trying.  When this happens I know it is God trying to tell me something.  So thank you for your faith in the Lord, that he could in-directly speak to me.

~Jen B.

P.S. God please give me the strength to see how I may grow in my faith to you Lord, even through all the pain I feel.  Amen.
Soozanne
April 12, 2008 at 9:20pm

Jen,

I wish I could reach through this computer screen and hold you right now.  You sweet, sweet thing!  I'm praying for you, little sister!  When you find your way back to Bakersfield, you'd better come lookin' for me so I can hug you for real!

If you ever want to talk, I'm here.

~Sooz

Brother Todd
April 12, 2008 at 9:39pm
Well, I hate to disagree with the groundswell of support you have. In part I agree with you, that we indeed need to be aware of what we sing. I think that you are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. I used to be a fanatic about the Hymnal, I remember telling my church to sing Jesus Loves Me and when we get to the part, "if I love Him when I die, He will take me home on high" to instead sin "since I love him when I die."  As a good Baptist that flew in the face of "eternal security" and when we got to that part they all sang "since" and I sang "if" because of habit. 

You could argue that this isn't "My Father's World" that it is Satan's world and that all creation yearns for redemption.  But that is not the point of the song.  Trading my sorrows and my pain is certainly Biblical.  The Bible tells us in I Peter 5:7 to cast all of my cares upon Him for He cares for me."  I choose to give him my worries and pain, and I choose to take up peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.  My thought is that we need to focus on the Father and the Son as we sing He knows our hearts and the Holy Spirit interprets our worship.  The Hymns were not always doctrinally sound, but we sang them anyways.  One of my favorite Hymns I sang as a child..Was "At Calvary"  It starts out, years I spent in vanity and pride caring not my Lord was crucified, knowing not it was for me He died on Calvary."  Well, that wasn't entirely true, because I accepted Christ as my Savior when I was 4.  Harldy years in vanity and pride. Was I singing a lie?  No I was praising the Lord and I know He likes it.
Thank you, for sharing and it is true as with anything to guard our minds and cast down any arguement that exalts itself against Christ.     
Soozanne
April 13, 2008 at 5:18am
Bless you, Brother Todd.  Thank you for your perspective.
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