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| Polygamy retreat coming to an end... |
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This is amazing...makes you wonder how many more of these types of "retreats" exists. Does man so much long for a relationship that he is willing to pervert it and call it religion?
| Nearly 200 Taken From Texas Compound |  |
 | Apr 5 06:07 PM US/Eastern By MICHELLE ROBERTS Associated Press Writer |
ELDORADO, Texas (AP) - Child welfare officials have now removed nearly 200 women and children from a secretive West Texas religious retreat built by polygamist leader Warren Jeffs, authorities said Saturday. The investigation began after a 16-year-old living there complained of physical abuse. A search warrant authorized state troopers to enter the retreat run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and look for evidence of a marriage between the girl and a 50-year-old man. The warrant said the girl had a baby eight months ago, when she was 15. State Child Protective Services on Friday removed 52 girls from the compound. Marleigh Meisner, a spokeswoman for the agency, said that another 131 residents were removed overnight and that by Saturday afternoon 137 children and 46 women were being housed and interviewed. "They seem to be doing fine," Meisner said. Four investigators remained inside the polygamist compound looking for additional children. The whereabouts of the young mother who sparked the investigation are unknown, Meisner said. State troopers who raided the religious retreat were looking for the girl, her baby girl and 50-year-old Dale Barlow. Under Texas law, girls younger than 16 cannot marry, even with parental approval |
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Cheryl |
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April 05, 2008 at 7:12pm |
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| wow, completely opposite of God's way....praying for them.....glad intervention came in. God is good! |
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I don't believe in polygamy, only because I can barely take care of the one wife I have now. But as to whether it is against God's ways, I question that. Many of the people in old testament times had more than 1 wife, and they always married them young. The only times that only one wife were stipulated in the new testament was dealing with church leadership Elders, Decons and Bishops. 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
There are many cultures today that still practice polygamy, and to go into their cultures, we can not say Biblically that they are in sin. But if they desire to be in church leadership, then it is required. Also remember it is only recently (last 75 yrs or so) that women were married at 14 yrs old here in America. My grandmother was married at 14 yrs old and had her first of nine children at 15 yrs old. And as to communes, the Israelis live in communes, to help make a stronger community. Not that I want to or have a 14 yr old wife or live in a commune, but think it wise to remember that our ways in America are not always right, it is just the culture we are in. |
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Cheryl |
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April 05, 2008 at 7:37pm |
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| Polygamy was a cultural practice, In Genesis Adam and eve were made each One for the Other, single terms...many accounts of the same including the marriage vows. The reasoning for the difference with deacons etc...and priests, due to them having to do to the tabernacle a week before they served there so no sin would be in them before they entered the Holy of Holies, they were only allowed one spousee...many of the spouses stayed together when the men were away ..I'm sure for safety reasons. |
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Like I said, I don't believe in polygamy, and I understand that Adam had one wife, Eve. As to marriage vows? I don't remember reading any marriage vows in the Bible. Preachers say them, my wife and I took one, but not from the Bible. My only comment was to say in our culture it is not excepted, but in other countries (remember that mychurch is global on the Internet) it is still an accepted practice. We can not take our cultural beliefs and make people in other counties into American Christians. Sin is sin, no matter what culture it is, but is it sin to have more than one wife? No I am not LDS, but I am just asking Biblically. |
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| I would be very interested to find out if there are Christian cultures that practice polygamy. I would say it isn't limited to American culture. It was part of the Catholic culture when they were sending our missionaries throughout the world in the 17th and 18th centuries - before American culture was truly established. Granted, it is now a part of our culture. |
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Cheryl |
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April 05, 2008 at 8:20pm |
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I would be interested also, it seems most of the things we hear about this...it is related to cults...Jim Jones kinda things.. |
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I am speaking about primarily the unsaved, as a missionary, do we make Disciples of Christ, or disciples of the American Christ. If some one comes to believe in Christ and lives in an African tribe that still practices polygamy, do we change their culture, because we believe it is sin. The same on our streets, when we disciple a new believer from the streets, do we make him feel that he is not a "true" christian unless he can aspire to what we have come to believe as "making it", is a new convert made to feel he has to have a car in the garage, and a picket fence around the yard to be "prosperous". I know I got of the subject is a way, but it all comes back to culture, and how we see ourselves, as Christians. Do we in turn try to pass this same vision onto converts, whether from India, or from the gutters of America. |
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Cheryl |
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April 05, 2008 at 9:47pm |
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| As a Christian, they would be accountable to God and His word. True until they hear the truth of 'that subject' how can they be subject themselves to accountability, but once they learn.... |
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but "that subject", is it our culture, or is it Biblical truth we teach? That is something that I try to watch coming out of my mouth. A bit off subject again, but where the Lord called me, the pastor's wife was from Germany, and in Germany (Europe), the women don't shave like women in the US do. So there were murmurs in the body about how uncouth it was that she did not shave, this caused a lot of issues and eventually helped to destroy the fellowship. Again, culture! I know it is not the same as polygamy, but is it culture or Biblical. The Saudis practice polygamy, as to many of the Muslim factions, so when we try to convert them, are we converting them to a Biblical Jesus, or an American Jesus? When we are able to answer this question, how many other cultural "truths" do we expect from new converts. And again, I stress, sin is sin biblically. But there is a biblical sin we teach converts to abstain from, and then there is cultural sin that gets mixed in. |
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| 1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. |
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I say again, I don't believe in polygamy, but how to convert someone that does, with scripture! I have been looking online, and there is a strong push not only in America, but Canada and other countries to legalise polygamy. Some have already legalised it to appease the Muslims. I have also read numerous pages the Church's have put out about the sin of polygamy, but to battle it scriptually, where is it? I understand Cheryl's comment, about Adam and Eve, but then the Lord allows it with Abraham, and the others in OT. He does not come against it, except to warn David and Solomon, that it can/will lead to problems. In the NT the only reference against it is for leadership. I ask because I have an acquaintance that does believe that polygamy should be legalised, but I have yet to show him with scripture why we should not! |
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Cheryl |
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April 07, 2008 at 9:39am |
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I will look for scriptures...I think also simply GOD warning them makes a huge statement about it.
Man {not the male species per say} has always rebelled and followed their own heart and lustful desires. That is not God's way. |
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Cheryl |
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April 08, 2008 at 6:17pm |
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If someone else has scriptures, please add... still looking, casually though..... |
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| I don't believe Poligamy is the way to go. but there's a difference between culture, and tradition. and Bible doctrine. But I sure ain't an expert. But it sounds like this young lady was held against her own free will. |
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