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Karen
April 12, 2008 at 12:50am
Great post.  In a time when people believe what they see on tv and read on the internet, this is an extremely important message for people to hear.
kingdomwithin
April 12, 2008 at 11:06am
“No one comes to the Father but by me.”  as with any statement it can be taken out of context.

This statement is saying that "Only Jesus" can take the world to the Father.

It is not saying that WE  take ourselves there, by believing or Faith.

The meaning is confirming what is said in scripture :

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ (unto all) "and" upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Jesus was saying that the world is not coming to the Father by their individual efforts or works or even religions, but rather by HIM (JESUS FAITH)

Just keeping to the actual intent of the statement

The sins of the world are forgiven........This is the original Good news
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Unfortunately there is a subtle devil lurking about to deceive us in Angel attire. Over time the message has twisted into "ourselves" getting to the Father by our individual perception. Which causes the Devil favorite word to come about.  DIVISION

Marlin
April 14, 2008 at 3:26pm

Thank you for your comment. I did not take the scripture out of context. It is only through faith in Jesus and what he has done for us on the Cross that we can be saved. If, as it seems you are saying by your response and your "About me" page that His death saved EVERYONE in the world regardless of what they believe, then there would be no reason for you to even have replied because it wouldn't matter what I said. Nor would there have been any need for God to have written the Bible, or told His disciples to preach the Gospel. This idea is in conflict with what the Bible teaches. Just read the encounter of Jesus with Nicodemus in John 3 and you will see that it is not automatic salvation for all. In the scripture that follows, John the Baptist makes the point as well. These are just two small examples.

The 3 references you stated, have been taken out of context.

Romans 3:22, I'm not sure what version you are using, but every version I've looked at does not match what you have written. They all say something like "who believe" or "all who believed". Since you have "unto all" in brackets I suspect it means that you know it is not in the verse. You've misquoted the verse.

Ephesians 2:8 states clearly that it is through faith (believing) in Christ is how we are saved. That faith comes from God, but it is still incombent on us to act on that faith.

2 Corinthians 5:19, when seen in context (5:12-20), is talking about people who are in Christ and therefore a new creation (verse 17) and verse 20 that we are ambasssdors for Christ, imploring the world to be reconiled. If it were an automatic salvation for the whole world, then there is no need for ambassadors.

Yes, we are saved by God's actions, not our own, but we do need to believe (trust completely in what God has done) to be saved.

About division, it is not always a bad thing. For example: Matthew 10:34-39 Jesus tells us that He came to bring division, even within our own family and that we need to be willing to give up our lives, not retain them, or we are not worth of Him. Jesus brings division because some will not believe and therefore will not receive eternal life (Revelation 21:8).

Marlin

kingdomwithin
April 14, 2008 at 8:52pm

Peace Marlin......I replied to discuss. Just because I believe a certain way has no bearings on whether or not we can share over a cup of coffee.

It wasn't I who crowned Jesus as Savior of all men. It was God. That title was not for a wanna be position but an actual eternal position. President Bush is President over all Americans whether they like it or not.

It was because he actually accomplished the "will of God " in which he was sent to perform.

If in any way you imply that Jesus actually failed to accomplish the mission in which he was sent. You also will have to understand that you are implying Jesus "missed the mark"
Missing the mark is not what I preach. But you have every right to blog any position you feel is accurate.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Peace my friend.......

Mike n Laura
April 14, 2008 at 8:59pm
Hmm, wonder what Paul could have meant by "especially of those who believe."

Good blog, Marlin! Welcome to MyChurch!
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