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Why do we think we have free reign in the Body of Christ, to do as we please? When a fruit inspector inspects fruit, whether domestic, or foreign, he looks for signs of rot. He is also looks for signs of infestation. When Christ examines our fruits, He is looking for basically the same thing. He demands that we produce good fruit, for the branches that product no fruit or bad fruit, draws nutrition from the whole, and does nothing with it. I truly believe His is a loving caretaker of His gardens. When a branch is not producing fruit, or has some bad fruit on it, He will not just cut it off, He will tend it, will nurture and prune it, but there is a time to cut your losses and just put it in the fire. What is judgement day? It is the separating of the good from the bad. He will cast into the fire, those who's names are not written in the book of Life. And the remainder, He judges according to their works. The doing of works is not required for salvation, but is the evidence of true repentance. How is ones name put into the book of life? By confessing with the mouth, that Jesus Christ is Lord, But what is it to confess? It is a making of a covenant, a promise. It is not just going up and shacking the pastors hand because your heart strings were pulled. It is a covenant, a promise to the Lord, that you are turning your life over to Him. It also requires true repentance, or being in full disgust of what sin is in your life. and wanting it out so badly, because of the heart knowledge of how the Lord sees sin. So what is sin? He gave us the 10 commandments to be a measuring guide, of what sin is. So, why did I write this. When He has cast those whose names were not written in the book of life, He will bring us before Him. When we stand before the Lord, and He looks upon us, everything we have done is revealed, His holy fire will reveal what we have done in the Kingdom, what kind of fruits were produced! All of the works of the flesh will be consumed. If we travel the strait and narrow path, and have produced the good fruits, He will not blot out of the book of life. But if we are not watching, then He returns, and finds us lacking, He will cast those out, those that did not overcome the cares of this world, Those that are lukewarm, He will vomit out of His mouth. We are forgiven of our sins, from the sacrifice of the cross, We have His liberty, We are redeemed, but according to scripture, we are to work out our salvation, is it possible to have your name removed from the book of life? Yes, by not producing the good fruits (works), by becoming lukewarm, by removing or changing His word. We are to serve Him in fear and trembling, because when He returns it will be with an all consuming fire. Those that are born-again, and have a true relationship with Christ, He welcomes with open arms, but for those just playing church, going to church because it is the popular thing to do, those that have not turned their lives over to Him, but want to continue in their sins, those that do not walk with Him, on a daily basis, HE will say, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Not saved by works, but are judged by them. Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Lukewarm Rev 3:14-16 speaking to the believers in the church of the Laodiceans for being lukewarm, would spue them from His mouth. Not producing fruits. Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. Mat 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word. Mar 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. Mar 4:16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; Mar 4:17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended. Mar 4:18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, Mar 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. There are more He has put on my heart, but did not want to make it too long. |
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April 13, 2008 at 1:53pm |
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| Excellent blog guy! |
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I posed this question in the Bible Club, so I will pose it here to. so, to someone that is just playing church, how do you explain being born again, so many in the church do not understand this, they hear it but do not have it explained, I believe I understand what it is, but let me hear your understanding of being "born again" |
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Gary are you a Prophet? You definitely have a prophetic gift. The prophet does not always foretell the future but He sets things in order. He confronts sin, and injustice, he speaks for God. Any way, the Lord knows who are His. We can not judge the thoughts and intent of a man's heart. However, we are as you pointed out "fruit inspectors" if there is no fruit of the Holy Spirit evident in someon's life it means only 1 of 2 things. The obvious that person is not "saved" or that person is in the "flesh" and is carnal and a babe in Christ. I don't know if God casts us out if we don't produce but then again this scripture says He does. I can think of a few verses in John where Jesus says all who come to me I will in no wise cast out. No one can pluck them out of my hand. I have heard some one say yeah but you can jump out. I don't know the answer to that, but I do know this from personal experience, even though you may be saved, you may not live like you are saved.
To answer your other question what it means to be born again is simple for me to explain.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh. Your mom bore you and resemble her. That which is born of the spirit is spirit. When you come to faith in Christ you are born of water...flesh and born of the spirit (God). This is done by faith in Christ and what He did on the cross. Jn 3:14-15 and as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness evenso must the son of man be lifted up that whosoever believes in Him would not perish but have eternal life. Those who were bitten by the serpents were dying but when they looked in faith at the bronze snake on the pole they were rescued. Once we become born of the Spirit we resemble our Heavenly Father just like when we were born of the flesh we resembled our earthly parents. |
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No, we are not to judge those outside the body, but we are to judge within. We are our brother's keeper, and I know there is a huge wall of religion that has separated the those that want to play church from the Lord. My desire and prayer is to break down this wall, so that they can see the truth of salvation. Regrettably, there are so many that have been led to Christ, by all of these big time Evangelists, and TV preachers, and then left to wither on the vine, thinking that because they said a prayer over the TV, that they will be sitting in Glory, playing on a harp. And a great injustice has been done to them, because now they think they are washed clean, but instead have just went back out to the barnyard and started wallowing in the same mire they came out of. It is like what John wrote to the church of the Laodiceans, claiming to be saved, having everything they need, but in fact are naked, and when the fire comes, will not be able to stand, but will fall. Rejecting Christ, so that their bellies will be full, or loving family more than The Most High. Fearing the thought and actions of man, more that the Lord. |
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People misunderstand true prophets, prophecy and the true prophetic, at times. Prophets are basically called to be preachers. To Preach a message of sin & repentance, warning of Yahweh`s impending judgement, to preach & proclaim His Judgements about a variety of things! And to give messages of hope & encouragement. Whatever is necessary, whatever is needed!
False Prophets tell people what they want to hear, True Prophets will tell people what they need to hear! Big difference, like day and night! T |
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Sometimes a little Hollywood gets in the way of our perceptions of God.
The fire you are referring to is a SAVING / CLEANSING Environment according to the ACTUAL text in the scriptures.
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
The Works that are not actually the true working of the Holy Spirit is that which is burned up. In other words this blog is implying that there is a separation of good men and bad men by the process of Judgment. But The "MAN" is not what is being purged, but rather the bad works, and the good works remain.
The every man or any man has nothing to do with Believers and Non believers in the above verses.
Because the human mind is simply not about to rid its self of Hollywood preaching God will eventually just have to do it for Us.
Though Man will suffer a loss of his belief system, He himself will be saved. This is what the verse says, but what it says and what mankind See's are two different positions.
Peace.................
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The fire He speaks of is hell fire, if a branch continues to be unfruitful, He will cut it off and throw it in the fire. He will cultivate an unproductive, unfruitful lukewarm person, but in the end if this person refuses to submit to His will, He will say away from me, you workers of iniquity, for I never knew you. Its time to quit playing with the Lord, and get serious, because when the persecution starts here in America, if we have not prepared our hearts to be in subjection to Him, 100%, then those that are playing church, those that continue to be unfruitful, those that want to sit on the fence and not make a commitment to follow Him all the way, will be lured into helping the enemy persecute the Lords called out ones. Which side will you be on, because the time to get off of the fence is now. |
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| Gary was refering to the Lake of Fire in the Book of Revelations in his original post. The Lake of Fire for Unbelievers after the White Throne Judgement. T |
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Hey it's Gary's blog right?
All the names of the Human race were paid for. Jesus paid for every one. He paid the ransom.
Hell fire (divine presence in the original) is prepared for the Devil and his angels, not the one's Jesus died for.
Peace......... |
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kingdomwithin, please re-read these scriptures: for a starter.... Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. |
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| did you get a chance to read the scriptues kingdom? |
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Yes I did. There are such writings found in our Bibles. In Fact your scriptures come from a book that have the majority of it's statements in allegory form. I'm not sure how you decide what is literal and what is allegorical.
Are we to assume that the fearful people (includes just about every christian) is going to be tossed into some kind of fire forever? Are we to assume that all Liars(includes most christians,hey we do what we do right) will be tossed into the Flames?
Or is it possible that this Revelation of Jesus Book is signified in allegories that are reflecting the end of certain character traits found in the human history delima?
Everyone is in the Book of Life. Jesus Christ purchased their rights and possessed their choices and wills. This agreement is before the highest court in heaven and is not negotiated between heaven and men, but rather God and his justice courts. The price of all demands were fully paid.
The devil and his angels are not included in the book of life. These creatures will be lost to the flames of God's destruction. It was prepared for them. God was not took by surprise, with the human creation.
Peace my friend........ |
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"scriptures come from a book that have the majority of it's statements in allegory form" (???)
...that statement cannot be supported by fact
"sure how you decide what is literal and what is allegorical"
...context!!
Some seem to be interested in redefining Christianity, as understood by its adherents since the days of Christ Jesus himself. Of course, such would probably say that the original adherents believed in universal salvation w/o regard for belief in the One who made salvation possible, and somehow through history the original credos were lost or set aside by a corrupt church. However there are simply too many warnings in scripture to blithely go about trumpeting salvation for all w/o regard for belief in the Savior.
For example, Christ did warn that those who refused to believe/obey would hear the words "depart, I never knew you." Such warnings in scripture are pointless and cruel if the consequences aren't dire. |
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Thank you kongdomwithin for exposing your belief system, so that others reading, see what is going around AGAIN, just as in the days of the Apostles: Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
you said:
Are we to assume that the fearful people (includes just about every christian) is going to be tossed into some kind of fire forever? Are we to assume that all Liars(includes most christians,hey we do what we do right) will be tossed into the Flames?
Or is it possible that this Revelation of Jesus Book is signified in allegories that are reflecting the end of certain character traits found in the human history delima?
Everyone is in the Book of Life. Jesus Christ purchased their rights and possessed their choices and wills. This agreement is before the highest court in heaven and is not negotiated between heaven and men, but rather God and his justice courts. The price of all demands were fully paid.
The devil and his angels are not included in the book of life. These creatures will be lost to the flames of God's destruction. It was prepared for them. God was not took by surprise, with the human creation.
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Another interesting blog............Hey guys, just because I have a fire in my backyard, Doesn't mean you don't. We're talking about different fires.
One burns up the works of true believers that do not pass the "eternal" tests. These are not referring to sins. These are good works. Just not things that promoted God's Kingdom.
The other is an eternal one prepared for the devil and his angles. Sadly, others will end up there also. Rev 20:15 speaks for itself and Rev 21:8 is a partial list (there are others) of sins of those who do not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and refuse to repent and receive His forgiveness.
I appreciate the warning................... |
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| sorry kingdom, mis spelled your name... |
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Well first it is not my blog. I'm not the hijack type.
but in answering.......Rev. 1:1 says it is signified (symbolic language) unclothing Jesus Christ.
Unveiling/ seeing Jesus without the flesh)
I really doubt any of you will actually see a Lamb standing on top a Throne and all of us bowing down to an animal...right....White Throne.....come on...white is symbolic for clean...do you really think a sword is being coughed up out of his mouth? Shall I go on? I could believe me. Goats and sheep and bugs ..what is this a heavenly ZOO now? Please.........lets be mature here. Rod of iron and heck who can handle a hot morning star...worthy is the lamb.....ha...God has an animal for a son.....please....I think even the most hardened scholar will agree that Revelations is signified....Lets hope so, cause I will have a hard time hearing....baaahhhaaaa all day.
In fact would someone print any part of revelations that is not symbolic according to the opening statement.
Then notice no reference to my questions just more defensive positioning. This is not the way to a higher awareness but rather a clinging to sinking ship of delusion....peace.........
again if you fear that makes you fearful, are you saying these types are cast into the flame? Wait...I'm fearful of being tossed into the flame, Hey that's not fair....Hey wait God called everyman a Liar and only himself is true....looks like the deck is stacked fellows.
If you lie...that makes you a liar..........at least where I come from it does.
Now where is the so called Non signified scriptures in Revelation?
If God prepared Hell for the devil and his angels what happened, did God get out maneuvered by a human brain cell that said no to God ???????????
peace my friends.. Love to all ...always.....and yes of course it is allegoric and metaphoric. It was never intended to be taken Literally. This book is said to be a revealing of Jesus, it has nothing to do with what men think is futuristic.......Unveiling of Jesus |
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here is a basic verse, we should all have learn; Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. It does not say, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son that all will be saved, but only those that beleive on Him. And if they do not beleive they perish. to perish is
to destroy fully (reflexively to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. |
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now, as to your answer, yes, Revelation is full of allegory illustrations: but so is a lot of verses, but that does not take away from the fact that Christ said there is only one way to heaven. Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. just because some one does things in His name, is not a way into heaven. Just because a person says His name will enter, but ONLY those that do the will of the Father. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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I repeat, it was said "the majority of it's statements in allegory form" (???) To say the majority is allegorical seems quite a stretch. But if you want to throw out the final judgment for sin, what better way to do so than say "hell" is merely an allegory!
Admittedly originally I misread, and thought the assertion was referring to the entire Bible. My mistake. But even looking only at Revelation, I hardly see the majority as allegorical. It's a prophetic vision, isn't it? A fella is describing what he saw and heard, things never before imagined let alone seen, and he put it all into words as best he could. Not allegory. BTW, it isn't "the lamb", an animal. It's "the Lamb", a title - not figurative, but symbolic. That's how I see it anyway. Love to all! |
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allegory= a symbolic representation the lamb of God, signifies back to old testement sacrifices for sin, Christ is the Lamb of God Four winged creatures, who is to say, that these creatures are not exactly as described. Babylon cast into the sea, some say Sodom is under the dead sea, Will Christ return with a sword in His mouth? If we speak the word of the Lord, then we have this sword in our mouth, for the sword represents His word, Yes, these are a vision, but to cast out the book of revelations, or to take anything away is death, spittual death! Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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| sorry, my spelling is horrible... spiritual death |
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