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Chrishankhah
March 28, 2007 at 10:20pm  

You've got me to thinking, and I've got to say, I admire this.  As an undenominated Christian--JUST a Christian--I find that some things are hard to come to conclusions on, and often in trying to fend for one side or another, we miss the biggest, most important messages.  The creeds are a wonderful statement of faith.  "We are unified in the essentials," you say, "and will not be divided by the distinctives."  That is such a key point that I wish were recognised better.  Some people get these inner missions based on small things and I think they're missing Jesus' most important teachings.  You can analyse the hard parts of scripture all you want, but the essentials have been made clear as day and those are what our Christian walk should hold at the core.

If I ever find myself in the area, I'll have to hunt out your church.  It definitely seems worth a visit. 

Sue
March 28, 2007 at 11:34pm  
ChrisH (not YPC, lol),  We would love to have you visit, as this is my church home as well.  Having Pastor Dan as one of our Pastor's makes Calvary Community Church all the more special.  We are a rare breed of a healthy mixture of various doctrinal positions.  The Pentacostal worships with the Presbyterian and we seem to do it with much joy and respect for one another.  We are so different in our opinions, yet I have never once seen a Sword fight :)  Hope you can stop by sometime.   
Mike n Laura
March 29, 2007 at 4:36am  

mike n laura attend Calvary Community Church as well, and are likewise very proud of the doctrinal, theological, creedal, missional stance. To us it represents a simple honest seeking of Christ, therefore we boast in Christ!  And we love the diversity of the congregation.

Just a comment on the "Jesus Creed" above. I've never heard it referred to that way before, but I do love its simplicity!  I will also say that since I adopted Deut 6:5 as my own personal mission statement (and what a simple statement it is!!) a couple of years ago the pure joy of knowing God has become more tangible for me than ever before. Yes, simple is better! ~God bless, mike

PastorDATM
March 29, 2007 at 6:02am  

Pastor Dan and the entire C3 community,

I am going to accept Sue's invitation to "stop by sometime" so that I can meet all of the wonderful people that I am slowly getting to know here on MyChurch that are from your church! Calvary Community Church looks like one of His houses where God is changing many lives, one where the congregation thinks outside of the box and one where God is free to move. Awesome!

I'll be calling Cathy D. in the next week or so to see what everyone's schedule is. I want to try to make sure that everyone I see on MyChurch from C3 is there that Sunday morning. My wife has obligations at our church so I might even need a ride over there. MapQuest says that I am only 15 miles to your east. We're neighbors!

May God richly bless you all!

Dave

voice_in_dc
March 29, 2007 at 6:08am  

My daughter Kelly and I have discussed making the road trip to Columbia to visit as well.  Foundational statements are tough.  The Creeds have certainly been tried and true for many years, so they have a good foundation.  The Church at large, I suppose, uses the scripture as its foundation, but we, as humans, tend to want to boil it down to something easier to grasp or easier to swallow. Christ did this when he said, "Love the Lord your God and Love your neighbor".  Beyond that, as the saying goes, the rest is just the details. Granted there are books and books written on what those words mean...and we should seek it out everyday in our walk.

Our church has a statement of faith and it is pretty basic.  I really enjoy walking with this group of people. The elders and the pastor focus on the basic as Jesus told us. We often have fun discussing the other issues and wondering who is right and who is wrong...or just confused.  My thought is that a church group (locality) is more personality driven than anything else. People come and people go, but those that stay tend to stay because they like the style of the people there. Maybe it is the worship style, maybe it is the teaching style, or maybe it is the potlucks...I don't know, but I don't think it is usually because of our statement of faith. Granted, some people argue about the statement of faith and it may become an issue, but I think it is more of an issue of how it is handled than the real statement itself. 

Look what you made me do this morning, Pastor Dan...got me pondering...

Cathy
March 29, 2007 at 7:42am  

Hi everybody!   It's me Cathy D.  The smilie queen!

Call anytime, we would love to have visitors.

Dennis_oldHowe
March 29, 2007 at 12:08pm  

Pastor Dan,

Great explanation. I heard someone say once that Luther said" I never read scripture without my creeds present" or something along that line. I think that one of the hardest struggles we share as Cristians is how to interpret scripture. I hear people often say "the Holy Spirit will lead you" and while I am very sure of that, I also know that almost every heresy out there started out with an interpretation of scripture. Good job of laying a foundation, and good job of the speaker to set things in a good order.

Dennis

Dr Wilson Morales
March 29, 2007 at 1:13pm  

Awesome presentation and perspective!!!  Regretfully, the body of Christ has gotten "involved" in non-essentials and has mastered the art of doctrinal "babble." 

Thanks for being sensitive to the realities of the communities we are called to serve and for wording faith in such a fashion that the "unchurched" can grasp the beauty of this gospel!

Wilson

jam137
March 29, 2007 at 1:19pm  

The church has structure. It has been built up across time and space. God builds it upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets (with Christ as the cornerstone), He causes us to share all things together ("one Lord, one faith, one baptism...") and He ministers to us through the gifts of apostles, prophets, evangelists and pastor/teachers so that we might grow up together (Ephesians 2:19-22,4:1-16). For this reason, I love the historic and ecumenical creeds (The Apostles' Creed, The Nicene Creed, The Athanasian Creed). They teach us and encourage us in the faith, and we have the privilege of confessing them to one another and to the world.

The practice at my church (Lutheran) is to confess the Nicene Creed during the Sunday morning service (a "divine service" of the Word and Holy Communion), to confess the Apostles' Creed at certain other times (e.g., during baptisms) and to confess the Athanasian Creed on Trinity Sunday. I think that this is a common practice amongst Western liturgical churches.

jam137
March 29, 2007 at 1:31pm  
I'm sorry---it sometimes is bad form to "double post"---but I should add that probably none of us is in a position to individually judge what is "essential" and what is "non-essential." We should "avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called 'knowledge,'" (1 Timothy 6:20-21), but at the same time we have to consider that the faith has been passed down to us over time (2 Timothy 2:1-2) and that we are to continue in the teaching of "all Scripture" since all of it is "profitable" (2 Timothy 3:14-17).
Mike n Laura
March 29, 2007 at 1:38pm  
I will be looking FORWARD to meeting you Pastor DATM and Voice! ~mike
voice_in_dc
March 31, 2007 at 6:43pm  

I would like to make an observation...I have been a member of very small churches (the type that meet comfortably in the living room) and now I am a member of a medium size church (400+).  Small churches don't tend to have any identity problems until they start to grow. Let me offer an example...as a small church, we may be called to street corner evangelism. As people come visit, if that calling isn't for them, they move on, but we can all get very focused on street corner evangelism. We study the scripture, we know the tactics of the enemy, we pray ourselves up and we go. It is what we do. We dream of having more people so we can cover more street corners. However, when we grow all of a sudden someone questions if street corner evangelism is what God really wants for us.  Well, of course, we say. You must be deceived.  Then others join and we find a need to step back and reflect on why God really has us together as a church. We start to realize that although we were originally called together in street corner evangelism, now we must equip the saints for ministry and that is a whole new approach.  Therefore we must change...and change is difficult.

My point here is that as churches grow and their mission in the community grows, they develop a need to have a set of basic principles that they all have to agree upon. With a set of basic principles in place, disciples can be made because a level of trust is established as all are walking to the same basics. That way we can continue with our street corner evangelism and you can join us with your jail ministry and we don't miss a beat.

I agree with JAM137 that we shouldn't be deciding on what the "essentials" are for believers. I do think, though, that we need to decide what the basics are for us to walk together as a local church.  It seems best to me to start with one of the creeds that have been tried and true over the years and then build off that.

Just some thoughts to add and to ponder...

Lourdes
March 31, 2007 at 7:10pm  

Congratulations to the Pastor and the leadership of Calvary Community Church.  I bet this was a very hard journey, but I think they have very wisely moved this church forward.  Many blessings and may your church reach many people for the Lord.

Lourdes

Cathy
April 03, 2007 at 9:43am  
Thanks for your prayers for Calvary Community Church.  I enjoy each day seeing how much Calvary Community Church blesses others and those who attend here.
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