Continues from John 7:1-18 Revealing who Jesus is

John 7:24-49

Continuing from the previous study in this chapter:

Joh 7:24 Do not judge according to sight, but judge righteous judgment.
Joh 7:25 Then some of those from Jerusalem said, Is this not the one they seek to kill?
Joh 7:26 But lo, he speaks publicly, and they say nothing to him. Perhaps the rulers truly know that this is the Christ indeed?

Jesus was in Judea and not in Jerusalem. I skipped the circumcision bit as it requires little commentary.

It is apparent here that the rulers in Judea seemed more open to Jesus or were they? We shall see.

Joh 7:27 However, we know this one, from where he is; but when Christ comes, no one knows from where He is.

We must assume here this part was spoken still by the folk from Jerusalem. What did Jesus do at Jerusalem that was so profound? Obviously these folk knew of Him and what He had done there. Let us look:

John 2:13-25

Yes, He made havoc at the Temple with the money changers.

John 5 covers Jesus' second visit to Jerusalem where He healed the man on the Sabbath at Bethesda. He also did much teaching the second time around and I will touch on this chapter later.

What is profound here what the crowd said in verse 27:

..but when Christ comes, no one knows from where He is.

As a thief in the night comes to memory here. It was strangely prophetic.

I have always wondered with the alleged prophecies of Christ how the religious folk missed it. Looking at some alleged prophesies, it is clear a King like David was expected. However, looking now at the OT, it may well be no more than prophesy in light of events occurred much the same as Nostradamus' prophesies. I looked at some of the famous prophesies and as a believer it seems to make sense now but back then, well I guess no one really had a clue anymore. See here for prophesies.

Joh 7:28 Then Jesus cried in the temple as He taught, saying, You both know Me, and you know from where I come. And I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know.
Joh 7:29 But I know Him, for I am from Him, and He has sent Me.
Joh 7:30 Then they sought to seize Him, but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.

Clearly, Jesus was disappointed as He wept. He said they did not know God. Jesus had the revelation of who the Father is and acknowledges He was sent by Him. Sadly today we have much the same where the true intent of God is lost in religion. I think Jesus still weeps.

Joh 7:31 And many of the crowd believed on Him, and said, When the Christ comes, will He do more miracles than these which this One has done?

Again here we have prophesy being uttered out of the mouths of the crowd. This I believe was prophetic to the coming of the Holy Spirit to all.

Joh 14:14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
Joh 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever,
Joh 14:17 the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He dwells with you and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you orphans. I will come to you.

Jesus knew what was about to happen shortly, He was a prophet remember. His death would once and for all ratify the law and remove the religion from a select few.

Joh 7:32 The Pharisees heard that the crowd murmured such things concerning Him. And the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to seize Him.
Joh 7:33 Then Jesus said to them, Yet a little while I am with you, and then I go to Him who sent Me.
Joh 7:34 You shall seek Me and shall not find Me. And where I am, you cannot come.
Joh 7:35 Then the Jews said among themselves, Where is he about to go that we shall not find him? Is he about to go to the Dispersion of the Greeks, and to teach the Greeks?
Joh 7:36 What saying is this that He said, You shall seek Me and shall not find Me, and where I am, you cannot come?
Joh 7:37 And in the last day of the great feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.
Joh 7:38 He who believes on Me, as the Scripture has said, "Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."
Joh 7:39 (But He spoke this about the Spirit, which they who believed on Him should receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Traditionally we have been taught, the come to Me being that we come to Jesus to drink yet we see that He says; "He who believes on Me.." He did not say believes in me. Believing on Jesus means we believe in what He taught. Reading though to verse 39 we see what Jesus was saying was prophetic and was now a third witness to what the crowd were saying of the "real Christ" that would come.

Now that is a radical departure from what we have been taught in that it has traditionally been the focus on Jesus as Messiah and not the Father. The end goal of Jesus' ministry was always reconciliation to the Father and not to Himself. We are told that we shall also do greater works than what Jesus did:

Joh 14:12 Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father.

Now if this is true, then why do we not see this daily in our lives? Are we missing something perhaps?

Joh 7:40 Then when they heard the Word, many of the people said, Truly this is the Prophet.
Joh 7:41 Others said, This is the Christ. But others said, Does the Christ come out of Galilee?
Joh 7:42 Has the Scripture not said that Christ comes from the seed of David and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

Recognizing Jesus as a prophet was no problem, the matter of Christ/Messiah was however an issue.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matt 2:1 & Luke 2:4-7) but it appears the folk were not aware of this fact. The fact that Jesus was born of the bloodline of David and in Bethlehem was obviously not so significant to Jesus just as it should not be to us today. Surely at anytime, Jesus could have mentioned this fact?

Again, Jesus mission was to remove religion from the equation and share His revelation of the Father to ALL. Had Jesus insisted He was the Messiah, He would be taking or would be perceived as taking glory unto Himself. In fact in spite of all the prophesies and His teaching it was also prophesied that they would not believe or hear.

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah [Isaiah 6:9-10] which said, "By hearing you shall hear and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see and shall not perceive;[/color]

Joh 7:43 So a division occurred in the crowd because of Him.
Joh 7:44 And some of them desired to seize Him, but no one laid hands on Him.
Joh 7:45 Then the officers came to the chief priests and Pharisees. And they said to them, Why have you not brought him?
Joh 7:46 The officers answered, Never did any man speak as does this Man.
Joh 7:47 Then the Pharisees answered them, Also, have you not been deceived?
Joh 7:48 Is it not true that not any of the rulers or of the Pharisees have believed into him?
Joh 7:49 But this crowd, not knowing the Law, is cursed.[/color]

Oh how relevant this last part is don't you think? Not knowing the law one is cursed. Man how much more backward could one get when in fact the Law itself was a curse. Duh!

Exactly what we have today in the mainstream. If Jesus appeared physically today, in spite of their warnings and predictions of a single Antichrist, Jesus would be rejected by 99% of Christendom. Religion has you in bondage to rules, creeds, statement of faiths, oblations, taxes aka tithes and the only difference is they believe in Jesus but not in His Messiahship.

Yes it is true. What you believe is far from the truth He was trying to teach. I have always maintained the second coming happened and is happening perpetually yet all seem to miss the fact that, His model of sonship to us is lost in translation and erroneous teachings.

Let me rattle your cage.

We are the Messiah. Can I be so bold? Why not? We claim to be His Body do we not? We claim to have His Spirit do we not? Does this mean I proclaim a false Christ? No!

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ! Or, There! Do not believe it.
Mat 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders; so much so that, if it were possible, they would deceive even the elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you beforehand.
Mat 24:26 Therefore if they shall say to you, Behold, He is in the desert! Do not go out. Behold, He is in the secret rooms! Do not believe it.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning comes out of the east and shines even to the west, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered.

This part of scripture comes from our famous ETM proof texts of a coming doom and tribulation or is it?

Let us look at these two verses.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning comes out of the east and shines even to the west, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered.

Our left-behind teaching aka the rapture and all that rubbish we have been taught shows lightning in the films yet is this literal? The preterist view shows this was fulfilled in ±70AD and is true but Jesus always spoke in parables. Why not here? Lightning - represents flashes, diffusions, of light and knowledge

The lightning coming from the east has symbolic connotations of from where righteousness and knowledge comes from. Just like the thief in the night it speaks of suddenness and surprise. The symbology of the eagle is often translated as your personal connection to spirit, to the Divine or a higher power.

Eze 17:7 There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers. And behold, this vine bent its roots toward him and shot out its branches toward him, that he might water it, away from the beds of its planting.
Eze 17:8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring out branches, and that it might bear fruit, to be a splendid vine.
Eze 17:9 Say, So says the Lord Jehovah: Shall it prosper? Shall he not pull up its roots and cut off its fruit, and wither it? All the leaves of its sprouting shall wither, and not with great arm, nor by many people shall any raise it by its roots.
Eze 17:10 And behold, being planted, shall it prosper? Shall it not utterly wither when the east wind touches it? It shall wither in the beds where it sprouted.

I hope you can see here a prophesy/vision Ezekiel had that spoke essentially of the coming of the Messiah and the withering of the old Judaic traditions, can you see we are the many eagles and many feathers?

We use the Son of God and Son of Man interchangeably but should we?

Son⁵²⁰⁷ of God²³¹⁶ Son⁵²⁰⁷ of Man⁴⁴⁴

Son = hwee-os' used very widely of immediate, remote or figurative kinship: - child, foal, son.

God = theh'-os the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god.

Man = anth'-ro-pos manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man

Mat 24:28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered.

I am goint to traslate this with other concordant words.

Mat 24:28 For wherever the carcass [ruin or lifeless body/corpse] is, there the eagles [from its wind like flight] will be gathered together [convened, accompanied, assembled]

The Christ to come seen mostly as an outward manifestation of the literal return of Jesus has most if not all in expectation for that which is already ordained. Just like the Kingdom has come/is established, we can see and enter into it. Why it is not becoming what it is supposed to be is because we have never accepted the Christ in us.

It has always been there, from birth.

Just as most in Jesus' day, we're blind to the fact of who Jesus was, so to are we today in that we fail to exercise the authority given to us through Him.

To do on earth as it is in heaven.

Once we have embraced our "messiahship" (small-m) then it will be possible to do exactly as Jesus did.

I guess what I am saying is, we have the power, we just do not perceive it.

Next study John 8:1-11 The Adulteress woman 

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