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Are there Really Apostles Today?
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Job Anbalagan
May 10, 2008

You have given a wonderful message.  Are there really apostles today?  There are many who pretend to be apostles.  Please click the following URLs:

http://sounderapandian.googlepages.com/apostles

http://gloryofhiscross.googlepages.com/satandarbar

In the above URL (2nd), you will find the distinction between a false apostle and a true apostle . Please be patient in reading this message.  You will then come to know that there are indeed true apostles in the Body of Christ.

kingdomwithin
May 10, 2008

There is only one Apostle that we need to be focused on. If you focus wisely on this one within , you can discard the rest of the usual man teachers and organizers of the construction of God.

Heb 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Kw

Ian Grant Spong
May 10, 2008
Thanks guys for your interest! I have a theology book in my office which agrees with Paul, that there were actually more than 12 apostles recorded in the New Testament. Kingdomwit... you are right, we really only need to focus on the one Apostle, Jesus.

Biblically the word apostle was not a title, as in the Apostle Paul, but an adjective as in Paul, an apostle. It's like Jim the mechanic going around town with a new title the Mechanic Jim. It just was not how things were. But, egos have taken over and we love titles.

As for me, I'm humble and proud of it. LOL. So, I prefer the title: the Grand Reverential Poohbah and Apostle of Correct Theological Intimations. If you don't like titles, you can just call me by my first name. My first name is Mr.
Doyle Crowe
May 10, 2008
 Great one Bro!
Little Moses
May 10, 2008
I agree with KingdomWit, and believe this passage also should be remembered: Philippians 2 , especially verses 5-7. Blessings in Jesus, LM
Ian Grant Spong
May 10, 2008
LOL. Thanks Mr. Paul. Don't you just love the grandiose and overinflated titles we give ourselves! LOL.
Rob
May 11, 2008
Grant,

People who think that only the twelve were ever considered apostles have not studied the subject.  1 Cor. 15 talks about Jesus appearing to the 12 then to ALL THE APOSTLES.  According to the apostle John, James, the brother of Jesus, was an unbeliever prior to the crucifixion but afterward, James road his Brother's coattails to the highest office in the church of Jerusalem and there became "the chiefest apostle".

Barnabas and Silas were referred to as apostles.  Jude, James' and Jesus' brother, was not so designated as far as we can tell.

Most of the twelve never wrote anything that survived the ages yet the theologies that have survived are based on doctrines held by two men who never really walked with Jesus.  The two theologies are James' theology of works righteousness and Paul's theology of faith righteousness.  Because they are mutually exclusive, one of these competing theologies is at the heart of ever denomination and church in the world today.  Try as we might, we cannot serve two masters neither can we resolve the difference between these opposing theologies.

True to form, God has set before us a choice: life and death, blessing and cursing - faith righteousness or works righteousness.

But I digress...
Rob
kingdomwithin
May 11, 2008

Maybe that God has placed before us a choice is a third doctrine huh?

Also why is the Word of God limited to a few men's writings. Did God stop inspiring his Word?

If Mechanic Jim was qualified back in yesterday's world why can't Mechanic Jimbo be inspired today.

Kw
Rob
May 11, 2008
KW,

Mechanic Jimbo is inspired today but if his teachings contradict what's already been revealed then, in effect, he's saying, "God is different today than He was yesterday".

One can give a "good word" to someone else.  Prophecies were never limited to "major doctrinal pronouncements".

Or so it seems to me,
Rob
Ian Grant Spong
May 11, 2008
Mainstream theologians consider Paul and James to be two sides of the same coin, one balancing out the other. Even Luther, who for a time took James out of the Bible, eventually put it back. There is only a contradiction in the eyes of those who do not understand how to harmonize the two.
Rob
May 11, 2008

Oh.  Okay.