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Slavery: Does the Bible say Yes or No?
||May 16, 2008|1166 reads
 

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Mike n Laura
May 16, 2008
Intriguing thoughts, Eric. I blogged about this exact same point a year ago.....I won't included a link! BTW, you are the SECOND person I have EVER seen include NIV scripture posted in their blogs (in the blue boxes). I know the secret! lol
Hudnall
May 17, 2008
If everyone followed God's laws... wow what a difference it would make.
I am a slave for Christ.  I serve all those the Father sends me.  Cuz I love ma Lord!

(ok guys, so what's the trick with the NIV????  Please spill)
Eric
May 18, 2008

LOL!  I'm not sure what conspiracy Mike is alluding to, but I just think the RSV -- the most readable of the options we have on MyChurch -- just doesn't cut it sometimes.  It intersperses verse numbers which are visually noisy, and it seems to have no paragraph breaks, which is also a no-no with text layout.  NIV is extremely easy on the eyes.  So what I do is quote as usual in MyChurch, but then delete the text and replace it with a copy/paste from BibleGateway.

Bubbles, you're right-on!  I left that part wide-open for comments so I'm glad you picked up on it.  How can slavery be wrong when we are slaves to Christ?  I wouldn't have my slavery any other way!

Mike, since I'm a fan of the World Wide Web, I'm gonna link it for ya!  "Why Aren't We Talking About Slavery?"  Interesting post I didn't know about.  I'll read the comments later.

Who's the FIRST to quote NIV?  I've actually been replacing the text in the Bible boxes for a while, since I started blogging here.   

Mike n Laura
May 18, 2008
First to quote the NIV? Eric, check this one out, I believe it was the first bible blog ever on MyChurch to quote the NIV. :-)
Ariel Myers
May 23, 2008


I'm going to agree with  you on the point that slavery is un-paid labor. I think it is also acceptable to say that it is not something one would chose if they had options. Slaves were not alowed to just come and go as they pleased. Jacob could have left his uncle wooner if he had chosen to. It was because of his respect for him that he stayed. It was God that kept him there so long, not slavery. This is where using Jacob as an example falls short. You left out the part where Jacob went to Laban. His uncle did not force him to come and work for him. He went to his uncle, and lived with him and ate his food, and so he worked to repay him. Then Jacob fell in love with Rachel, so he worked to earn her from Laban. Yes, Laban was wrong to trick him into taking Leah first, but Jacob worked for them both. Leah and Rachel were his wages. His room and bored were his wages. When Jacob first came to Laban, he had nothing. When he left he had wives, children, servants, and thousands of livestock. So I don't think that it is fair to say that Jacob was a slave to his uncle. He was paid for his work even if his uncle tried to cheat him time and again.

I am not saying that I disagree with everything you are saying, I just don't think that Jacob is the best example for slavery. A better example would have been Joseph. He was actualy taken from his home and sold into slavery. He would have gotten out sooner if he could, but it was not God's will. 

Kathy
May 23, 2008
Eric, I agree with you that Scripture does not condemn slavery, although I believe Jesus' teachings to love our neighbor as ourself is a condemnation at least in modern society.  To analyze anything in Scripture it is important to examine the culture in which it was written and the author's purpose in writing, among other issues. 

The Bible does not examine slavery as a moral issue, not because it isn't one, but because it was an accepted part of the world in which the writers lived.  They wrote of proper treatment of slaves, but it never occurred to them to analyze the morality of the institution, just as it never occurred to them to analyze the morality of polygamy, which was widely practiced in OT cultures, most likely leading to the NT call for church leaders to be husbands of one wife, despite our modern interpretations of those passages. which are likewise based on our own culture.   (I would also argue, btw, that Scripture is not primarily written as a tool for measuring morality.)  

We all, writers and readers, interpret what we perceive through the lens of our own cultures.  and you are right that it had probably never entered the cultural dialogue in Biblical times that slavery might be morally wrong, and maybe in such a culture, so foreign to us, it could have had its place.  My personal view is too tainted by America's horrific slave history to be able to objectively analyze another system.  Masters were admonished to treat their servants well, and it is apparent that there were slaves who chose to remain in their positions even when offered their freedom.  

Nonetheless, slavery as we know it, and as our American history has recorded it, is without a doubt a moral issue, and I have the utmost admiration for those who were courageous enough to see that issue and to sacrifice their own well-being to bring to dawning a cultural change. 

Thought-provoking blog, Eric.  And I wholdheartedly agree that we read into Scripture what is not there on many issues from slavery to polygamy to drinking . . .
   
Eric
May 27, 2008

Arial, thank you for your thoughts.  I agree with you that I used a poor example.  Upon further thought, it is clear that Jacob's wages were the two women. 

Kathy, I agree that it is a good idea to analyze scripture in the cultural context of its authorship, but I'm a bit squeemish about declaring slavery (and polygamy) in the day as "normal."  It sounds too...postmodernistic.  For example, God never commented on, say, suicide, despite it being present in the Bible (1 Sam 31).  Was suicide "normal" and "okay" back in the day?  I hesitate to say yes and am more comfortable saying no.

Polygamy.  Wow, that's a great topic for the future.  Thanks for the idea, Kathy!  And I may as well put suicide on the back burner, too!  :)

Drinking... I heartilly endorse Paul's advice to take a little wine to cure what ails ya ;)  Haha, thanks for your thoughts, Kathy!

Kathy
May 28, 2008
Eric, I agree with you on suicide.  I would not include it in my "list."  And I didn't mean to say that polygamy was the norm, just that it was not outside the norm.  Look at Jacob again for example.  Scripture doesn't offer any moral commentary on working another seven years for a second wife, or even on loving the second one more than the first.  

The slavery and polygamy issues were even related.  It was culturally acceptable for female servants to be used as "wives," often bearing the master's children.  What was culturally acceptable in that time and place, however, is in our culture a moral (and legal) issue.

I would like to hear your thoughts on why you would put suicide into the same category.
Jeffrey Rickett
May 28, 2008

Hey Eric,

I want to tie slavery back to the Fall of Adam and Eve.  Would there be slavery apart from the Fall?  We would say NO!  God has created us in His image.  God calls us to respect the image God made of each human even though now we are all fouled up by our sin nature.  Slavery of any type does not attempt to respect that image. So even thought we not see the Bible say slavery is morally wrong, we can discern from looking at the entirety of Scripture that it is.  Slavery greatly corrupts God's command to love God and one another.  Got to go for now and appreciate your honest attempt to look at this issue.

 

Hal Waterhouse
June 06, 2008

Man, I wish I had seen this awhile back. I I guess I lost track of you and I'm gonna have to watch the blogging track a little better-

I think maybe you and I got this discussion going awhile back. I could tell you had some well thought out opinions back then. I did finally do a blog on it, on May 1st. I had a feeling you didn't read it although I was hoping you would! I will include a link (Mike! LOL) so you can see my thoughts on the subject.

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Eric
June 14, 2008

Thank you for the link, Halz.  That is a really good blog post!

Jeff, I would have responded sooner, but I have been digesting what you said since you posted.  What you wrote has cut to my heart and caused me to completely revise what I wrote above.  If we compare what ought to be by how things are today, we will conclude that death is natural and declared "good" by God.  But God did not create a world of death; death is unnatural.  Likewise, to properly assess slavery, we ought to turn to the world as it was before it was corrupted and cursed from Adam's sin.  Thank you for your insight, Jeff!

I still have more thinking to do, however.  For instance, if slavery is wrong, what exactly does it mean to be a "slave" to your mortgage?  I don't doubt that over 90% of America feels trapped in their daily situation.  I'd like to dig into this deeper, and I think I may have to re-evaluate what the phrase "free will" means.  I think this goes that deep.