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6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
It also translates this as "giants of the Earth". OK,
so this came up at our Bible study last night and led to some interesting discussion. Who were the daughters of men. the daughters of these giants? I myself believe this is an " O Magnum Mysterium", "Oh great mystery". In fact, I firmly belive in these mysteries, and their worth in relation to a God who is infinite in His Person and Nature. Another view presented, and one I sort of liked, was that in the garden, man and woman do bear after their own kind, just like the rest of creation. The thought was that these were the ones spoken of as giants, and they were also dispelled from the garden at the time of the fall.
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3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy conception; in pain thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 3:18 thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
And one last item:
3:15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
I guess I also wanted to consider that Gen 3:15 was almost a prophetic word to the woman. Even though her pain would be increased, and she would find sorrow in the earth, from her also would come the source of her reedemption. From a woman mankind fell, and from a woman mankind was restored. That enmity would have a fulfillment in her first yes to the snake being a precourser of her second yes to the Holy Spirit. She took into her flesh the fruit, and bore out of her flesh The Fruit. So, what are your thoughts, hmm, ;) |
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OK,
So I probably should have split this up, but I didn't..... |
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Interesting! split it up? ya, cuz the giants is a totally different topic -lol
"the mighty men that were of old" Well, the only ones that were of old at that time.... hummm Were we larger in stature when originally created? Something that today would be considered Giants? Wow! |
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| Interesting and I hope we were larger in stature when orignally created, seeing I am only 5' 4". LOL Kinda of short for a man, don't you think? |
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I'll add a bit more to the "Magnum Mysterium." Perhaps the sons & daughters of men were already on earth outside Eden. That might explain where Cain found his wife. Most believe Cain's wife had to be one of his sisters.
Then others says the "sons of God" were spirit beings (perhaps angelic) and the Nephilim were a mixed breed (part angelic, part human -- like the Greek gods, etc.). The term "sons of God" is mentioned several times in scripture refering to angelic type beings (Job 2:1, 37:8).
I agree with you bro, these mysteries are of great worth in relation to God and our relationship with Him. God dwells in mystery, and that just draws us closer to Him. Godliness, Christ and the church and Babylon are also great mysteries.
God doesn't "spill the beans" all at one time :). He is cloaked in mystery and intrigue. What an Awesome God! |
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| WOW, I always thought the Nephilum were part demon, part human. You know, demons had sex with human women? I feel like I am lost now! |
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OK,
Let me shoot down one thought. The giants couldn;t have been angelic beings, or demons, they do not reproduce, and even if they did, they couldn't intermingle with mankind, we are of a different kind. We are in the image and likeness of God, they are not. |
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| That was always a question! That can't produce! Can they?? |
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| Actually this is a fascinating topic and has several sources in non-canonical books (such as The Book of Enoch and The Book of Jubilees) which are still used by the Ethopian Church in their bibilical canon. There is also quite a bit of rabbinical literature on the subject. I am especially intrigued that in many of these, it is due to the Nephilim that the Flood occurs in order to erase their wickedness. |
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Rita,
It is an area of speculation, so you're right, not important, but still interesting!
MD - I myself find some of these areas fascinatiing, even if they are unimportant.
I think I find the idea of mysterium to be even more interesting. o think, God allows us to see and occasionally to understand His mystery. Wow, it's like being a kid again and having Dad show me how to do something new, I remember being on his lap when he would be driving tractor in the fields, he didn't know that it both fascinated and scared me, then he'd let me drive. Whew, talk about scared. I think i sometimes see God's things the same way, scary, but heady at the same time. |
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The Nephilim actually explains some things. For example, the story of Sodom and Gommorah can be seen in this light. People trying to have sex with angels, which would have produced another race of monstrous hybrids. 1:6 And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire. |
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June 02, 2008 at 6:33pm |
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I don't know about this Nephilim thing, but 1/3 of the heavenly angels did fall when Lucifer fell. That leaves 2/3 that are still serving the Most High God! Many of the "other" gods of this world, I believe, are the fallen angels / demons. As much as sexual sins are prevalent, I would think the demons have some involvement in one form or another. I really don't know if they can actually reproduce. I agree, it is a mystery!
I thought it was an interesting point that Eve ate the fruit, but then gave birth to The Fruit! Maybe there's hope for us afterall! |
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