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| I know this may also go towards Women as well but since I am a Man I am writing it from my perspective. Why do we as Men look at beautiful women and kind of turn our nose up at those that are not? Why when we get older do we have to have some one much younger on our arms? I know that all men do not go through this as some get married and thank God daily for who God sent into their lives. I know for me even though my dad was married to my mom his eyes would wander. Of course other times he would wander but that is another story all together. I find my eyes wandering as well. I am not married or seeing any one but I feel that this is wrong of me. I just want to know what others think on this subject. |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| You just have to be careful with older men. They may just want to take advantage of you or you would just be a trophy for a man going through a mid life crises. |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| I agree, you are married to Christ until God brings that one in a million person by...until then...are your actions edifying Christ, your Christian walk, or your future spouse? One will be ready for a spouse when they are not looking...let God look! |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| I appreciate the add of the other blog. I know that as it gets closer to summer that people wear less and less and some times this also shows up at church. I know that I have a hard time keeping my eyes forward so these months are hard for me. |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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Each individual person is accountable for thei actions; however...to a girl...it is just hot outside..thats it, not trying to attract anything...guys have to realize this also...but too much skin, too low, too short etc is never okay. |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| I know that I am accountable for what I do. I just need to deal with this and this is why I did this blog. Each one I write it for myself mainly to help me deal with what ever I am going through at the time. |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| On my homepage are several blogs listed about this subject if ya want to see them. God knows where your heart is. |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| so true, it is progress plus with awareness just like this blog...this just rocks! |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| I am not beating myself up. I have been dealing with this for a long time and just wanted to put it down on this website. I used to go to a bible study that Pastor Hector had about this very subject. Well not about older men and younger women but basically what Cheryl posted about men and porn or just looking at women the wrong way. I know I do not look at porn but I know the way I look at ladies is not acceptable. |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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Woman do it too John. Woman can get caught up in picturing themselves married to Random men they come in contact with lusting for that "Mr Right". The truth is is that we do not get to choose who is right for us and when we will get involved with someone and what they will look like. At least for the completely sold out crowd of Jesus. When we gave our heart away to God that was it. We also gave up rights to make those big decisions. That's why, Shannon, there is no point in "attraction" or "looking around" if you are sold out to God your Looks and your attraction should be so fixed on God that someone would have to seek God so hard to get to your heart because your so involved in HIS worship and work and Kingdom. It is when we use our time unwisely that we leave room for the enemy to come in and take up residence. WORD, FELLOWSHIP, PRAYER! Emphasis on the Fellowship these people will not let you stay down when nurtured you will never feel lonely and/or needy. You will have everything you need Vertically and Horizontally.
When your single you have a gift of not having to rush home like the married people. You get to just get up and take off to do something awesome for God's kingdom like go SERVE ON A MEXICO TEAM for the weekend. You wouldn't shouldn't have time to sit and worry about what you will eat or what you will drink or what you will wear, Who you will marry and or court should be inserted there..... Check out my blogs there are some interesting perspectives there.
- God Bless You Guys Love, Amoe from Bako (aka Amy U)
Hey Singles! Singleness? from the VBF Singles Group Bulletin Porn Resourses Familiarize yourself Porn Problems? Get HELP/Know how to Help!
PS John thanks for being so transparent. When we hold up the words that we have embedded in us that we have a hard time with .... then God has a way of totally working with that. It is when we hold it in and hide our weeknesses that God doesn't get the full glory from delivering you.
2 Corinthians 12:9-11 (New International Version)9But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. Paul's Concern for the Corinthians 11I have made a fool of myself ( not that your being a fool John), but you drove me to it. I ought to have been commended by you, for I am not in the least inferior to the "super-apostles," even though I am nothing. |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| God does give you the desire of your heart and by homan namtue and my years of Psychology and Nursing studies, we are wired to be attracted to a certain style/person/look. maybe a brunette with a great smile.....seeing what is in the inside of the person while not lusting and sinning about the outside is what its about. God will not give you a ugly mate...each person is beautiful to the eyes of their spouse by their own ethos. Someone else may question why they are together...it starts with the spirit, thinking alike, heart, motives then should be physical. That does not mean that initial physical attraction will not be there, just should not rule the relationship. Purity is key or get out of the relationship. I have dated many men with money etc...it is not worth your reputation and the sin...keep it pure...your spouse will love you for that!! |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| hahha, that's 'human nature'!!!! |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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| I speak publicly about the pornography issue, what you are looking for must be first; however, it does not always accompany a older man. Many older men prey on younger women...they will all say nice things and walk the walk in the beginning...know them by their deeds in a long term, God first, pure relationship. |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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God designed us guys to be visually oriented, We look at the world around us... and are able to notice that an animal has slept in the tall grass we are looking at now... we look at the tracks on the earth and can tell what from what we _see_ what sort of critter made the track (bear = go the other way ---quickly!...; small game that would taste great in the pot of stew heating at home = follow them... --- quickly ;) ).
He didn't make a mistake. Adam was given charge to look at all the animals and give name to them. He had to be able to tell the difference between a lion and a tiger (or a Swallow-tail and a Monarch butterfly).
Since we are his descendants we are also given the discernment... but the question you are really hinting at is not one of discernment - it's one of lust. There are a whole different group of scriptures that deal with that subject and I will not tread in them as I know the kids are reading what's written here (Hi, Ben!). Let me just say that we need to judge ourselves through the lens of scripture and not popular culture. Just because "Ben-gelena" did it doesn't mean that we need to follow in their footsteps!
We are are called to take a different path (you should read "The Road Not Taken" by Robert Frost...http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-road-not-taken/ for it describes how the difference in our walk with Him depends on what path we choose ... the wide and easy way or the one 'less traveled by'... for that is what makes all the difference!)
Matthew 7:13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
This is how we know what path to take.
Blessings and prayers to you my Brother John...you sure remind me of Tim(othy)... LOL :) |
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| June 05, 2008 |
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OK....whoa, theres all kindsa points of views going on....lol But thats great thats what this is all for. To learn and grow from eachother. First I would like to say Kudos to those of you who had the courage to publicly admitt some personal issues and struggles you are having or have had! Secondly, I do agree that merely looking and thinking someone is attractive is not a sin and it is a part of natural human nature that is the way God created us all. However, when the looking becomes more of a lustfull thought, well then that can be a problem. John, if you feel that this might be a problem for you.......maybe try praying as soon as u catch urself doing it! Or repeat a bible scripture in your head. This will redirect your thoughts and because u are such a strong christian, once u fix your thought on scripture or prayer.....you will b too convicted at that moment to continue to look. Also, pray first thing in the morning. Ive learned to be specific in certain prayers. Tell god specifically what u are dealing with and to help u! I appreciate your honesty! God Bless! |
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| June 06, 2008 |
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| I love the additions and agree with them. |
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| June 06, 2008 |
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John, great blog. May I say that 9 out of every 10 men deals with the same thing? So you aren't alone at all! I might suggest getting together with another Christian guy you look up to, someone you have a relationship with, and just talk about it. Find out where he is in this struggle, and tell him where you are.
I'd also like to recommend a GREAT book on the subject... Every Man's Battle. This is practically MUST-reading for all Christian guys! Here's a pic of the cover:
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| June 06, 2008 |
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| This book looks familiar. I had gone to a men's bible study at VBF for men dealing with issues like this and I think that they used this book but I had gone and then left and they used another book and then I did not continue. I do not know what happened to that group. |
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| June 06, 2008 |
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Worship is not only singing and making melody it is sometimes an act of obedience. Serving.... When your serving your mind is occupied and searching and scanning everywhere you go for God's needs.... I would imagine ( I don't know I am not nor ever have been a male) that if your mind was so fixed on God 24/7 when you are eating, when you walk by the way, when you sleep... etc that you wouldn't have so much of a problem (Nobody expects 100%) but it would greatly increase your ability to drive out the thoughts and Increase your sensitivity to the Holy Spirit..... Deuteronomy 11:18-20 (New International Version)18 Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 19 Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 20 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates, Some of us didn't get the luxury of getting them taught to us when we were younger and now we must do this for ourselves now that we are getting to know the Lord. |
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| June 06, 2008 |
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Dan, you are so right. If christians would just listen to what God has to say and learn, as well as give good study to the Bible which is God's holy word. There would be less ignorant blogs on MyChurch. Men (and some woman) just want to sell books for fools. A fool is soon parted of his money.
Doth not wisdom cry? And understanding put forth her voice? Proverbs 8:1 |
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| June 06, 2008 |
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This is a address for a MyChurch member: Yahschild. She has given me permission to add her blogs where needed...on her homepage and on mine are her blogs addressing this and goes into pornography issue, etc. awesome read brother:
http://www.mychurch.org/yahschild
Also, Golden, (the above comment) has a blog about this with great info too! |
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| June 07, 2008 |
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| In addition to my comment above..............I find that someone who is simply trying to gain further knowledge about christianity and Gods word by buying and reading a good christian based book far from being ignorant! I have enjoyed reading Pastor Rons book "Polyester People" and would recomend it highly. And the only thing I would consider foolish is not trying to learn and grow more spiritualy at all. In fact, maybe I will take Pastor Rons advice and start writing my own book! |
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| June 07, 2008 |
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| It's true reading the Bible comes first, adding a complimentary resource to it is okay...however how much time is being spent in the Bible is the key. I am writing a book and my dad is a published author...I know these things...we are in that market world....be sure to investigate the author and his/her beliefs before you latch onto the title. Great additions everyone, this topic and comments are enjoyable...how wonderful it is for all of us to learn more and more from each other...wow! Unity!!! God is so good! |
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| June 07, 2008 |
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| Hi John. A pastor once said to expose our problems and to bring it to the light. If we keep our problems a secret or in the dark, it cannot be solved. You did a wonderful thing by recognizing and sharing to us that you are in a struggle. Now all you (we) need to do is pray to God to give us strength, discipline and to take us out of this struggle. |
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| June 07, 2008 |
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| Dan, my apologies....I stand corrected. It was blogs on MyChurch that were being called ignorant not people who read christian based books. And I think that if a person truly loves the Lord and has a thirst and desire to seek him and learn more, then GOD will direct them to the right resourses. Whether it be the right church for them, the right godly friends, or the right kind of devotional or christian books. I am trying to understand, however, how all of this relates to the statements made in your last comment. Forgive me if I am struggling with it a bit.........maybe if you could reference me to where you are getting your statistics from, it would help me to further understand. |
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| June 07, 2008 |
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| John....I couldn't agree more with Camillende! I highly comend you for having the courage to post this blog, and I also think that this very well could be your first step to God helping you. It is sometimes hard to admitt to others what your struggles are. You do whatever you feel God is telling you to do in order to help you with this struggle and as long as you continue to seek his help............you will come out of this! God Bless! |
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I agree with this too....God has us writing and we know that.....also, not all men struggle with this and I am thankful he is open about his struggle...that is where it needs to be. Blessings brother!
"The fact is, books inspired by God are useful tools to go along side of reading and studying of the Bible. There is nothing "foolish" in this. In fact it is quite the opposite. If we didn't need anyone elses teachings then we wouldn't be listening to sermons and attending Sunday School. As far as porn being the "number one problem facing MOST pastors and men"?... that's a pretty strong statement to make of Godly Christian men. MOST? Yes people, unity in the church...but not ignorance." by: jeffj74 |
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| BTW guys, this is a great discussion! |
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"According to Christianity Today, 51 percent of Pastors say Internet pornography is a possible temptation and 37 percent say it is a current struggle. Sadly, 40 percent of Pastors say they have visited a pornographic Web site.
Seventy-two percent of pornography viewers are men. Even 53 percent of Promise Keeper men have viewed pornography. But men are not alone when it comes to viewing porn; Today's Christian found that 17 percent of women, including Christian women, struggle with pornography addiction."
Today their are 420 million pages of pornography on the internet, not to mention the soft-porn {which is porn} that floods the main-stream web sites in an effort to hook and lure people. This is not filtered just through these sites, some Christian sites have members who unknowingly use 'art forms' which would be title as soft-porn. Pics on pages of women in sundresses, swim-suits, even something they wore to church are unfortunately revealing little to the imagination.
Pornography in a marriage is a home-wrecker. Porn is not a way to learn about sex or to casually enjoy. The addiction is rampid and a full-fledged assault on one's life. Personally, my life and marriage was shattered by pornography, please teach your young one's about this and protect your family...don't play with fire.
Some sites to help:
www.xxxchurch.com www.CovenantEyes.com www.PureOnline.com www.angeleyes.com |
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| June 08, 2008 |
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Well John, this blog has taken quite a journey over the last few days. From your what do others think about wandering eyes question to how women dress to bible or books to porn. Not necessarily in that order.
James 1:14 (Amplified) But every person is tempted when he is drawn away, enticed and baited by his own evil desire (lust, passions). 15 Then the evil desire, when it has conceived, gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is fully matured, brings forth death.
I've heard old time preachers, evangelist use this example...
A thought is like a bird flying over your head. Lust is allowing the bird to land on your head. Sin is allowing the bird to build a nest in your hair.
I agree with that simple "theology". John, if you see a woman and she looks good and you are attracted by that that is not sin but reality. But if you allow your eyes to linger and your mind to wander where your body cannot that is lust. Sin is when you are comfortable with lust and it has found a dwelling place in your heart.
So be of good cheer, brother. Your heart is tender and you are honorable to value women as "help meets" not "help meats".
Something I have observed over the years on who is attracted to who and what attracts them changes as we get older. When younger it is mostly based on physical and temporal things (like money, possessions). As we live and experience life the inner person and spiritual things take on a much more important role. It is not unusual for someone who wouldn't have got a second look twenty years earlier to suddenly become much more attractive even though they are the same person they were back then.
But sadly, it is also true that very beautiful people in the eyes of GOD and those who love GOD can find themselves alone. I'm not trying to explain why. I don't know why. Just making observations. I do believe, personally, if christians allowed GOD to "make them a help meet" they would be far happier than doing it themselves, but that is another blog. :)
About how women dress. I once knew a christian who when it got summer the top came off whenever possible. It often got unwanted attention but didn't seem to bother. Actually, the attention was kind of flattering. But over the years the pounds came on and the top stayed on and there is no more attention being paid. Oh, I forgot to say this christian was me ( a brother in the Lord).
I have an eight year old and a five year old at home and we go to the public pool just about every day. Most everyone there is near what is considered ideal body weight and of course many dress in ways that are obviously meant to draw attention. I'm not offended nor am I lusting. Let them enjoy today for who knows what changes the years ahead will bring.
I don't own a suit or tie. Being dressed up for me is wearing a shirt that buttons to church. When my dad was alive I never wore a suit or tie to his house so why should I wear one in my Father's house? On the outside.
Ever wonder if GOD really notices these temporal flesh and blood bodies when He looks at us? Or does He look beyond that into our hearts and minds where we really live. How are we dressed there? I believe if we are dressed right there how someone else dresses will be far less tempting. At least that has been my testimony.
Bibles or books? Either, or, or both.
Back when Forty Days of Purpose and The Passion were getting their "press" I wrote a poem called The Seduction of Christianity.
The Seduction of Christianity
Forty Days Of Purpose and The Passion too Discipleship is easy when the meat is chewed for you
Seminars and conferences occasionally a retreat Bags overflowing from our spiritual trick or treat
Rich young rulers have found a place of rest No need to worry about being put to the test
Majestic is the temple that is built elaborately A monument of faithfulness for all the world to see
The gospel is now packaged in a way that will sell No need to mention the Cross or the Blood or hell
The seduction of christendom is subtle indeed The grass is always greener but does the Shepherd lead
Perhaps we need forty days without a purpose or a plan Just a passion to draw closer to Jesus and our fellow man
Perhaps we need to get away less and get involved more Instead of gathering riches share with the spiritually poor
Perhaps we need to remove the limits of how far we will go And walk in obedience in whatever the Lord may show
Perhaps we need to build people instead of ministries Touching lives invisibly but knowing that the Lord sees
Perhaps we need a reminder of just where we came from Because of the Cross and the Blood I'm a child of the kingdom
Perhaps we need to embrace the truth that sets us free If you deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow Me
.....peace.....
Before I was a christian I was an atheist. One day a stupid preacher challenged me to read the book of Matthew. I was so offended I did. A very boring read thru the first four chapters. But as I was reading thru what I now know is the Beatitudes GOD came mightily and made Himself real. I got saved. In just a few weeks I had read the New Testament thru a couple times.
There are books and teachers over the years that have influenced how I live out my christianity. But by far the greatest influence in my life is the Book GOD wrote and the teaching within. Books are wonderful but if our greatest growth is from books and not the Word...
Excitedly I had discovered new truth from the scripture where Martha was busy serving and Mary sat at Jesus feet listening to His teaching. As I as a young christian shared it with a much older christian in his home he reached for a commentary, read its comments on the scripture, and then assured me that yes, I was right. I thought how sad.
We both received the same truth. But I got to taste it, chew it, ingest it and it became life to me. To him it was just words. I chewed my own meat but his was chewed and bottled up like baby food. I discovered a precious gem to be prized. He held someone else's gem in his hand.
But, when all is said and done, how we get our meat in our "spritual sandwich" is not as important as where we get our bread. Jesus is the bread of life.
Porn.
In a short time I heard several women, online and personally, share how deeply a spouse's or ex-spouse's porn addiction had hurt them. Feelings and reactions ranged from disgust to shattered self-esteem. They felt betrayed. They were betrayed.
Innocent Porn
Secret fantasies, forbidden fruit Dangerous seeds are taking root
Pleasant to the eyes, poison to the soul Weeds and thorns are beginning to grow
"Victimless" lust, "harmless" sin Persuasive words for many men
Selfish personal gratification Spiritual, marital desecration
In the midst of the garden a tree of life Nearby a lovely flower called a wife
But the flower struggles among the weeds Of a man who does not account for his deeds
Thorns prick and pierce flower's tenderness What a man does is his own business
Captivated by pretend ignoring the real Not understanding what the flower may feel
Placing blame but avoiding responsibility Man continues to lose his credibility
Sin seperates as it always does Unable to revive what once was
With trust destroyed intimacy is lost Was it really worth the cost
Man watched and paid for just one hour The serpent slithers over a fallen flower
What harm can there be in just one taste The beautiful garden lies in waste
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| June 08, 2008 |
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Dan, thank you for the clarity on your opinion! Thats all I was realy trying to understand and I was getting a little confused.
Apureheart.......love this quote! But, when all is said and done, how we get our meat in our "spritual sandwich" is not as important as where we get our bread. Jesus is the bread of life.
John, I bet u never thought this blog would be this popular.....lol Well, stand firm in your walk and lett God guide you through your trials! God Bless!
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| I did not expect this. It has taken on a life of it's own. I am glad that it has but I was just expecting to pour out my heart. Of course I did not say it like what i should have said but others knew it was a lust issue so they read into it what it really was. |
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| June 08, 2008 |
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| this is wonderful guys! What a blessing! John...we just love ya brother, more importantly...God does! |
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