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I wanted to write a blog that would be an interactive blog between all of us interested in discussing many of the man made lies that we as Christians believe and the truth of Gods word on the topic.
I'd like the format to be False/Truth, with some discussions so that we can work through these belief systems & move on to a higher glory in HIM. For, the truth will set us free.
I will begin.
False: If I force my children to go to church and serve God, they will rebel and not serve HIM.
Truth: Raise a child in the way they should go, and when they grow old, they will not depart.
Discussion: I can not find one single scripture that says if we force our kids to attend church, then they will rebel. I do realize that we have come to this belief b/c we have seen it happen with our own eyes. The truth is, as much as they may or may not like church, God said that they will not depart from the way they are raised when they mature.
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Shannon, just to reaffirm what you said, I was forced to go to church til I moved out when I was 17....although it wasn't til I was 24 1/2, I am now serving the Lord (after a great rebellion, but no matter). I am now grateful my parents forced me to go to church, and had the Word planted in me which eventually bore fruit. Another "lie" we believe is that God is always condemning us and angry with us when we mess up. that's a lie, of course. I succumb to it sometimes, but firstly and primarly, God is LOVE. His wrath is not reserved for us. Parents don't get angry with their toddler when they fall down, instead they rejoice when they get back up and are healed! So it is with the Ultimate parent! |
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Shannon! I missed you. Ok true or false. Going to church makes me a christain. False. A lot of people go to church and has never ask Jesus to be their savior. They believe that attending a church on Sunday morning is good enough. Pastor Aminata |
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This is a great idea Shannon! I second the opinion of you and Lara about insisting that your children are in church. I also know this truth, that it is the GOODNESS/GREATNESS of God that leads us to repentance. Gotta go right now, but I'll catch 'ya later!
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Lara~ Yep, yep. I was the same way. When I needed HIM the most, he was there for me at 25 years old. Lost in a lifestyle of sex, drugs, and rock and roll, HE swept me up in HIS arms. My heart only needed a little tilling up to expose the word that was planted there.
Good comment about condemnation. "There is therefore now no condemnation to the believer". Some times it can be hard to fathom HIS great grace and mercy. Yet, to know HIM, you'd see HIS charactor is to forgive and FORGET. Something we humans have trouble with.
Pastor AMI! Missed you too babe! It has been a long time. Love you girl!
WOW! How true is your lie! For GOD knows the intentions and motives of the heart. Religious acts are nothing to save one from Hell. Only the saving grace of Jesus Christ sacrifice is our hope. Thanks for sharing.
Donna~
Hey chickie-dee! I was driving to work and began to think of this kids nad church thing, and how we make our kids go to church. They can go live somewhere else if thy don't want to obey our house rules, but as for me and my house. WE WILL SERVE THE LORD! No question about it. Sounds like a harsh thing to say I guess and I am sure some would think that we are extremist. Well, yes I am an extremist! I understand the importance of fellowship in the body. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. It is impossible to please GOD with out faith. How can a man know unless he be taught? We even had this standard with our bro-in-law. A grown man. If he stayed with us regularly, he was expected to attand church. There was never a question about it. Hey, it's my house. I can do as I please in it. :) |
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June 10, 2008 at 12:09pm |
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False: God has one perfect predetermined plan for every detail of my individual life, and I have to find the one mate he created for me, the one job, the one house, etc.
True: God has a plan for the universe, for mankind, and for His children, and He has moral expectations for us to use as we exercise the free choices He has given us. He is much less concerned about what job we work, than in how we share Him with others through it. |
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Kathy~ Now that is DEEP! How many times have I put myself in that position to think every single thing had to have a "Word from God" on it? OMGSH! This is really good girl.
There is such a freedom in knowing Christ. The word say, "My sheep hear my voice.They know me and follow me." So just GO WITH THE FLOW! Very very thought provoking! |
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| I think Eph 5 speaks to the negative side of the conversation. It says, "Fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath" "I take that to say not to exasperate and embitter your childrenI Church has never been optional in our house, and my kids don't resent it. I don wonder though if church has been a hinderance to them in their spiritual lives. My oldest daughter was scared by the behavior of the her peers in church she saw right through their hypocrisy. My oldest son, was a direct casulty of how church members turn on the pastor and his family. He is 15 now, but still doesn't understand how Christians don't behave Christian. I think there comes a time, maybe I am liberal, but if the children do not participate and are only going for social reasons I feel that going to church for the wrong reasons is as bad as being forced to go against your will. I will go on record and say, that I am the parent and they are the children, and as long as they live in my house they will honor what I say. If they don't then they can move out. My house is a benevolent dictatorship along with my wfe. I don't get where we take orders from our children and let them tell us what to do....it will never work that way in my house though they may try. |
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Here's a lie I bought that the LORD don't move like he did in the first century. I for one am gratefull that he's resoring my eyesight, after my trip to the hospital.
Blessings,
David
P.S. good to hear from you Shannon. |
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Deb |
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June 10, 2008 at 12:45pm |
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Just wanted to make a comment that our preacher is doing a series of sermons on "Lies of satan, Whoppers Americans Swallow Whole". Here are a few of them:
-There are many ways to God
-The things you have done are so bad not even God will forgive you
-The bible is old fashioned and not relevant
-God won't send good people to hell
-I don't see the big deal, it's not like it's hurting anyone
This is a great blog, and I will be interested in seeing the posts that you get. |
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Hello Bro Todd. as always, I appreciate you comments. In my opinion, I am provoking my children to good works, not to anger, by enforcing the church rule. Our kids need to know that church is not ablout someone elses walk, but our walk, and is not a social gathering, but is a place to meet with others of like faith. It is all in the motives of each heart.
Dave~You were in the hospital? Did I read that right?
GOOD POINT! God is the same yesterday, today, and forever!
Deb~ I ALMOST titled this "The lies of the devil"! I changed it b/c I realized that the devil does't have to lie to us. We lie to ourself! We lie to others! We form our own belief system. Satan is a liar, but can't be everywhere b/c he is not Omni-present. He can whisper in our ear at times, but we must cast down vain imaginations! So, that said, IMAGINATIONS! We can create our own imaginations. :)
GOOD POINTS DEB!!! |
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Shan... this is wonderful, thanks for obeying God and putting forth the effort to write. Bless you bless you, my Sunshine! ;-)
Church vs Rebellion: Rules Without Relationship Reap Rebellion.
There are many countries who have rules & traditions, etc around the world... such as in Japan you do NOT wear your outside shoes IN the house. Japanese children are taught to take their shoes off at the door and put on slippers - a RULE of the house. They are taught to wear little face masks when they have a cold or cough so as not to infect another - a RULE of the house.
Children in India are taught to wear bracelets, jewelry of every kind and stars in the middle of their forehead - but no piercings. These, and a gazillion other 'rules,' are inforced upon children around the world... and there is no rebellion or wanting to leave home because of them.
Our family's tradition of attending church can be instilled upon our children, even from birth, without the fear of rebellion if it is done in love and not in a demanding, controlling, harsh way. Saying to a child, "You have to do this, you have to do that... or you can just leave, yada yada..." will instill rebellion. It's the manner in which it is given, enforced or instilled upon.
The Scripture you quoted... "Raise a child in the way they should go..." is just that: RAISE a child in love and peace, not FORCE a child with harsh rules. All of us respond to love and respect, we only REACT IN REBELLION to harsh rules without the love and honor and respect of a real relationship.
Love you girl... thanks for the fun today. I love you.
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| Shannon, yeah, and it's good to finish that scripture. No condemnation for those in Christ who walk according to the Spirit.... |
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False: God is tempting me to sin
Truth: God does not tempt us, but every man is lead away by his own lust.
How many times have I heard people say that? Too many. The scripture is clear, Let no man say he is tempted by God. |
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Thank you Melanie for spreading GRACE on this blog. Love you dearly.
I guess it is all about the heart motives. I never had a child refuse to go to church. They always knew that in my house they were going. They know we are looking out for their best interest. |
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| God tests, not tempts. Amen. |
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JayKTX |
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June 10, 2008 at 9:22pm |
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This is a lie I struggle with: False: Anger is a sin. True: "Be angry and sin not." Ephs 4:26 |
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Hi all, Thought I would chime in on this...
False: Women serving in only certain roles in the church
True:I shall pour out my Spirit on all humanity. Your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your young people shall see visions, your old people dream dreams. 18 Even on the slaves, men and women, shall I pour out my Spirit.
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Oh that's a good one JayTx!
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Jay & John..
Very good lies!!!
The scripture is full of references to women in ministry.
Also, to be angry is not a sin. SO TRUE!! There could be some great teachings on that topic. |
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False: The devil made me or someone else do it.
Truth: We are to govern over our own lives and be a good steward over it. The devil can not make you do anything. He comes around "as" a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Notice the "as". It did not say he WAS a lion. He likes to act like one, but he ain't nothin'.
Discussion: I remember as a child, I was sexual molested by a church member. I was so young and innocent, and remember saying to my best friend at the time, "The devil made him do it!". It was my way of dealing with the confused feelings I was having as to why this had happened. Ofcourse as I grew up I determined it was not the devil that made him to anything.
How many times do we blame the devil for our own selfish fleshly sins? Too many times, I'm afraid. |
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Barvubuela, Great idea !
False: The Bible is not a book of "do's and dont's". Truth: Any honest reader.......will find God's do's and dont's in there. Example: I corin 13, THE LOVE CHAPTER !! Verses 4 - 7 ! These are some do's and dont's for BELIEVERS ! |
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Paul~ SO TRUE! The word of God is alive! In the beginning was the word, THE WORD WAS GOD.
He exalts His word about His name. If you don't understand relationship with Father, then you probably won't undertand the word. Good points! |
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OK...I am going a bit risky here with this one. LOL
False: I was born gay.
Truth: God created man in His image, in His likeness.
Discussion: ??? Who dares to tackle this one? |
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| We all are born into sin. "In sin did my mother conceive me." I think that being gay is a learned experience. These feelings come upon us and many don't know how to cope. I think being gay is a choice, but even if we are born that way, God tells us that He can change us. If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation, old things are passed away, and behold all things have become new. I think we need to be very careful not to condmemn people for the feelings they have, but to offer hope for them. Man is depraved, and man only does what is natural for him. God gave us up to do those things that seem unseemingly. The Holy Spirit regenerates the man and makes him new. So I guess there is some truth to being born "gay" but I was born "a sinner" how is that any different? God still expects me to change. So what do you think? |
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Thanks Bro Todd.
I think being gay is learned. It is a choice. God can change us. I know that God said he would turn some over to a reprobate mind. I think if we keep an attitude of worship, then we will walk in the spirit and not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Being gay, is just a form of a lust. The problem is, most people do not know God and do not keep an attitude of worship. They do not have the relationship that allows change to be birth.
I think, I was born in Gods image, but the heart is decietful and I choose to sin. God loves us so much, he gave us freedom to choose. He had hoped we would choose him, and choose holiness, for HE is holy.
I agree that Gays need love not fists. |
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Shannon,
You are wise beyond your young years! I just heard a teaching on the "gay" topic yesterday... The person speaking said that "gay" is a political term used when the person has a strong agenda to implement change for everyone. The term homosexual refers to a person who is confused about their true sexual identity, but doesn't intend to push their agenda or ideas upon others. Interesting..... My personal belief is that people are not "born" homosexual. I see it like this...hate the sin, but LOVE the sinner! Just like doctors hate cancer, but they love the people they work to heal. |
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| Angel faces~ I use to work for a company who had a homosexual Manager. I was able to talk to him about the Lord. He said he went to church, asked God to deliver him, even went through the exorcism process, and still ended up gay. He said the demons came back 7 times worse. (He knew the scripture.) The thing is, once we are set free and delivered, we can't keep opening up our minds to this kind of activity. Some people need to get violently aggressive at keeping their souls. Keeping an attitude of worship will keep you from falling. I believe that 100% because God said HE is a rewarder of those who diligently seek HIM. |
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Shannon,
I whole-heartedly agree! I also worked with a homosexual woman who was doing the year long dressing and acting like a man thing before she underwent a sex change operation. I started working there after she was already dressing like a man, so I didn't know the situation until later. I became friends with her not knowing she was just posing as a man. Anyway, my other co-workers informed me of the whole situation and politely suggested that I stay away from her/him. I still remained friends with her and we had some "lively" discussions about spiritual issues. I saw her as an extremely hurt and hurting person and I didn't want to wound her any further. She repected me and because I was considerate to her, I know that good, Godly seeds were planted in her heart, even if I didn't get to see the end result of the harvest. I was also friends with another very gay man who was the nicest and kindest person. I believe that Godly seeds where planted in his life as well. It is true that you must GUARD YOUR HEART, mostly especially diligently in the situation in which you spoke.
Love, Donna |
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I have many friends who are gay. Inbusiness I am in there are many people involved in same sex relationships and we often discuss God and many consider themselves Christian.
The thing is that sin is sin. Sex outside of marriage is sin--gay sex, straight sex--it's either fornication or adultery and the bible calls that sin. Lying is a sin, stealing is a sin, murder is a sin--written on the stone tablets kind of sins. I'll probably get crucified here for sharing it in this manner--but here's my falsehood:
False: We have the right to judge another person because we see their acts as sinful.
False: One type of sexual sin is worse than another.
Truth: Only God has the right to judge any type of sin, including sexual sin: 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Let's consider the consequenses of all sexual sin:
13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
So my point is, it's not scriptually justifiable to condemn or pass judgement on anyone, homosexual or straight, murderer, cheater, liar, adulterer, drunk...or whatever so why bother becoming opinionated about the 'sin' of others when that is clearly not in our jurisdiction if we are truly followers of Christ.
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Whoa Birdie! I do agree with all of the scriptures you referenced above, but have I misunderstood the intent of your comment? Do you feel, that I mean to imply, that I esteem myself more highly than my friends? I don't, and I don't believe that I "judged" them. They are what they are. You are absolutely right that sin is sin, no matter what form it takes. Mercifully, God loves us all equally, regardless of how we dishonor Him by sinning. I honestly don't believe my friends felt judged by me. We had a great relationship and we all knew exactly where we each stood on the issue. We respected each other and it did not affect our friendship. Unfortunately, there are a pletera of things I can be judged for. Hopefully, opinionated and judgmental won't be added to the list! Soon we will stand before the judgment seat and give an account to Him. I don't want to have to stand there very long, ashamed!
Bewildered,
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| Birdie: I would like to add this scripture to what you have said. Romans 2:1 "You therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things." I think this goes along with what you are saying. However, I think we all would agree that if we are Christians, though we still do sin, we should not practice sin. I Jn 3:6. |
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June 12, 2008 at 1:21am |
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False: God has the "assignment" for you and if you don't pray (or guess) right about what it is and do it you are rebelling.
Truth: God has given us freedom to choose the life we want. He only requires that we obey him in doing so.
False: The only churches that teach how to be spirit-filled are those which call themselves a "spirit-filled" church.
Truth: All mainstream churches teach that we must be filled with the Spirit.
False: We can only be saved in a particular church.
Truth: We can only be saved in Christ.
False: There is only one right Bible way to do church.
Truth: The Bible describes many and varied ways to do a worship service. |
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Hey Birdie. Live at peace with all men, that is what comes to mind. As I read your writings, I was taking back to an incident that had happened at a Pumpkin Festival in Versailles, IN that I was in with our worship team. Here is what happened:
I had been jumping around assisting in leading the people in to worhiping God as the float was pulled behind a truck. Hot and sweaty and excited, I began to walk to my car, the parade was over. As I approached the corner of Hwy 421 and Hwy 50, I saw man & women holding picket signs of cut up babies and words of hate towards gays. I was appauled that this itty bitty town of Versailles was being targeted by hateful protestors. I became so righteously angry!! ( Ha, to be angry is not sin :) ) I began to tell those people that they would never be succesful in there cause b/c they had no love. I asked them if they had ever looked upon a woman or man with lust and if they had, then they had commited adultry and were found guilty, just as gays were. I could not believe I stood up to those people with a holy anger. I could not even control myself. It was unbelievable. Later, I called my Pastor and told them I apologize if I was in erro, since I was just representing the church on a float in the parade, and people knew my face. They were HAPPY I did something. They even encouraged me to write a newspaper article about it.
Donna~ I did not get the sense that Birdie was accusing you of anything. It is weird how we can misunderstand writings sometimes b/c we can not see the face.
BRB to comment on on others comments. |
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Birdie~ I was thinking about the scriptures that say something to this nature. Correct the believer, if they will not listen, then cast them out of the church and have no fellowship with them. I think this was concerning a sexual sin, but it is an incertain thing to me right now. Seems like this would have some kind of judgement behind it by the Leaders of the church, don't it?
Grant~ You have a few good lies. It can be a very big concern to make sure we do not miss God or our assignement. We wont everything in this life that He has for us. The problem is, as you say. We lose our peace over whether or not we are living out every detail. I know, I struggle with this. Every since God told us we were moving to Texas and joining the Agreement Center, not a day goes by that I do not think and pray about it. I was losing my peace seeking out every singe detail, and patience was wearing thin for me. Finally, I realized that God was not impressed with my worry and concern and all these questions and I had to learn to go with the flow. I have to take control of my thoughts every day. Excitement and expectations are good, but need to produce a healty result.
Your #2 lie reminds me of the "elite" church. Only we have the truth, only we are spiritual. It is a prideful church and will be brought down low. This is called, "man made religion".
#3~ There are oodles of people who have been saved on the streets, in there cars, homes, jobs, etc.
#4 Don't you just love the multifaceted colors of worship to God! I was just thinking about this on the way to work. Last year at one of our church conferances, we had different church's lead worship. I just loved to watch the worship teams that had all of our colored ethnics worship. They know how to dig deep in worship. I loved to experience that. Then, when I went to the Agreement Center in the Spring of this year and expereinced the worship there...WOW! What a deep intimacy they have and a sweet spirit. I love it! |
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Birdie and Shannon, Please forgive me for the misunderstanding! Shannon, you are right, it is easy to misinterpret the true message in this format.
Peace,
Donna |
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False: Going to church.
Truth: We are the church.
Could it be we are living a lie that we put too much empahsis on going to church instead of realizing we are the church. Why is it that so many people went to see the Passion of the Christ and after all the marketing of that and renting out movie theaters there hasn't been one "church" report significant growth. People are interested in Jesus but they don't seem to like the "church" Maybe we should be praying and asking God what we need to do different |
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| Hello Anthony~ Thaks for swinging by. I wonder why were are told to forsake not the assembly of ourselves? Care to share? |
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Please share scripture to support this lie too please! Thanks! :) |
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| OK, I deleted my last comment b/c I may be misunderstanding Anthony. I will think on it a bit longer before commenting. |
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If we teach our children 2+2+4 will they rebel and believe that it equals 5. If we tech them C- A -T spells cat will they grow up to believe it spelle dog? We must teach our children correctly. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If the christianity we live in front of them is hypocritical, judgemental, or insincere... They will rebel and reject it. |
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| Good points Michael. Kids know these things! |
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| I'm not saying I do not agree with Anthony. I am saying, that is no exuse to forsake assembly as scripture states. |
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Angelfaces: Oh, I'm sooo sorry--no, I wasn't addressing your comment, or Shannons, or anybody else's. I know you well enough to know that your friendship was and maybe still is a priceless treasure to the two people you described.
In all the years I've been going to church with you, I've never seen you ever respond in a judgemental way to anyone. I hold you in very high esteem because of the beautiful way that you carry your faith to others. Your encouragement and love is what touches the hearts of those around you, and if anything, you are a really good example of what can be accomplished when you don't judge others!
Brother Todd: Thanks for adding that verse, it's perfect! You are so right--there is a big difference between being sinful by virtue of our fallen human nature, and blatantly practicing at it when we know better! Still, even when we see others doing that, we are not to judge them but to lovingly surround them and guide them toward the power of Christ that can break that bondage over their lives. The key is love...condemnation and judgement as the verse says, belongs to the Lord who sees the full scope of the situation and the full measure of the heart--and provided the antidote on the cross.
Barvubuela: So sorry--I didn't mean to hit and run! I had to go to work! I encountered a similar incident to the one you described a few years ago. My daughter's high school offered a gay and lesbian club and a group of local church decided to picket the school with signs and bull horns condemning homosexuality and telling them they were all going to burn in hell.
As a result of their actions more high school students joined ranks with the clubbers because of the hatred of the 'Christians' that used confrontational methods to try to get their agenda across. It didn't work. All they did was give 'churches' a very bad reputation as unloving, uncaring, and un-Christian.
My daughter called me from school very upset, and had me read the scriptures to her friends that were involved in the club and explain what it all meant--whew! In the end, I think I was able to talk the teens into discussing the ramifications of joining a sexually oriented club--because my point was 'where's the ho club? If you want to have a gay club, you need a ho club too--well, that was an eye opener, because it was sort of cool to be gay, but not so cool to be a ho. So then we broke it down to this: 'having any kind of sex outside of marriage makes you a ho.' hahahaha!
That message went a whole lot farther than the bullhorns! You see, they weren't as concerned about going to hell, as they were about their reputations and I joined them in being concerned for the reputations of their friends, so they listened. Maybe the churches on the lawn would not have approved the way I delivered the gospel, but their offensive actions did not save one kid from hell that day, either.
Grant: I like that #4, brother! The body is full and rich and diverse, and what you do to the glory and honor of God is worship.
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Birdie!! HAHAHA!!! THE HO CLUB!!! I LOVE IT!
Tim, I understand what you are saying and agree. It does not matter how many numbers you have. Where there are two or three gatherd, Jesus is in the midst of them. So we'll say that is the lie that you are exposing. False: Home or Cell groups are not of God. The truth is in the scripture I quoted before the lie.
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June 13, 2008 at 8:22pm |
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False: It is not good to have this discussion.
Truth: It is GREAT!
Discussion: I've really been enjoying reading through all of this. Thanks for sharing! I've been thinking about these issues for several years now. It's kind of like going in circles, over and over and over again...trying to make sense of it all...righteousness, justice, judgment, holiness...mercy, grace, forgiveness, justification. Wow! God is deep...and wide! Hah! |
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I look at the church as the body of Christ. Jesus prayed that we would be one with Him as He is with His Father. Could it be through out the years we have allowed the enemy to get us to focus on the wrong thing. I have found it interesting when talking to people about the Lord sooner or later they bring up these questions. Who is the pastor? What kind of music do you have? How many people are in your church? So easily we get off the focus of Jesus. We also get caught up in teaching about the tithe, worship, gifts of the spirit, fruits of the spirit. We even name our churches using those as a base. Not that it is all bad or evil but what I'm trying to get at is we don't put Jesus first. We do the same about going to church. So we must define forsake not the assembly. Well does that mean Sunday morning, Sunday evening, Wed night, School of the Holy Spirit, Worship Practice, Youth group. Could we be so busy going to church that we don't have time to know our neighbors and be the church.
For some intersting reading on this subject you might try the book Pagan Christianity. A pagan gave a review on this book and made a very interesting statement. If Christians took paganism out of the church it would be boring.
Again let me say that I am not saying going to church is a bad thing, and I know we can get carried away with phrases. Jesus loves the body of Christ and my hearts desire is to be one with Him as He is with His Father. In the New Testament they often gathered daily. Much of the time was over a meal. (I'm hungry)
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June 13, 2008 at 10:19pm |
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Lie: I am unloved
Truth: I am so loved...Jesus came and died for me!
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Being single and coming from never being loved in a relationship, I have to remind myself that God is my husband and I am equally loved!
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False: I've learned everything I need to learn in this walk.
Truth: We are learning and growing, day by day, by faith. (We never completely arrive)
I have been trying to think how to respond to your comment Anthony. As I thought it over, I thought to myself, that it is the responsiblilty of the church leaders to teach us all the bible when we gather together... teaching about the gifts and salvation. There is a scripture that comes to mind. It says something about it is time to move off first base (the message of Christ only) in so many words and go on to the meat and maturity. Paul said it and you smart people may know where it is. :) I can't remember where it is. LOL!
I know I have benefited greatly from gathering and hearing various teaching. Every church seems to a certain specialty. Jesus Christ is the priority, but we must spur each other on to maturity. It is all needed. I do know the focus can get off, but if we are lead of the spirit, we will not fail.
I agree with doing the work outside of the church, to live a balanced life. I do think we need to gather together atleast once a week. You get disconnected from the body if you don't from my experience. That is just MY experience though. Just BE BALANCED. I was always as church & it caused me problems because I did not have my husbands agreement. (This was YEARS ago.) |
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Cheryl~ YOU ARE LOVED!
I had a real revelation form God that HE was my husband. I am married, but there is no man on earth that could ever treat me like Jesus. No man is perfect. Yashua is perfect. |
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False : No man is perfect. Yashua is perfect.
True : Yahshua is all men without flesh (the true body) (Matt.25:40) , and men without flesh are perfect. Therefore we no longer see Yahshua or man in the flesh. (2cor.2:15) (Spiritual circumcision)
True : we must never refer to men as unclean as it is a statement against the cross of Christ
(Acts 10 : 28 )God hath showed me that I should not call ANY man ) common or unclean
Kw. |
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Thanks KW~
Sorry, if you miss understood me. The flesh is imperfect, but the saved spirit is perfect? Is that better? LOL!
I live in an imperfect world with people who make mistakes. Sorry, but no one can ever treat me like Jesus all the time. |
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FALSE: This is the worst day of my life!!!
TRUTH: This is the day the the Lord has made. I will rejoice and be glad in it.
DISCUSSION:
How many times have I said that?? TOO MANY!! Could it be that we have a bad attitude and tell ourselves a lie that this is a horrible day?? The very day that the Lord has made?? HMMM! Next time we feel like saying something negative over our day, let's remember that God made it and and be thankful for it. Rejoice in the Lord always, again I say rejoice. :) |
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| Sandra, I almost forgot to acknowledge you. Please forgive me. I like your statement b/c even if I do not agree with everything everyone says, it is good to talk about it, even when you think it is not good. You are right! |
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Just some more thought to discuss. In Corinthians it talks about everyone has a somthing to contribute when we gather together. It didn't say the leaders were to be the only ones speaking. What is leadership? A position? A title? I like what Paul said. He wanted to be consider a servant. Could it be that the "church" has got it reversed. Maybe leadership is supposed to be the one serving the most. That is more scriptural than a title or position. One example might be the Pastor. How many times is he or she mentioned in the New Testament. Once maybe. Yet today he or she runs much of the whole show. Mentioned one time yet so much is authority. Notice in Pauls greetings he writes to the whole church not just the Pastor or leader. I think one of the worst things to happen to the Church was having leadership and laity. When I say that I do want it known that I still have a great respect for those in leadership I just may not always agree with the way things are set up.
For a good place to see where I am coming from I might suggest the following link.http://www.paganchristianity.org/
I'm not exactly sure what scripture your talking about. Hebrews 5:13 talks about milk but in know way says anything about moving on from the message of Christ only. He should be in every message and always the most important part of it as well. When you talk about the gifts, fruits, etc. they are the benefits that come from what Jesus did. |
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Hey guys. Let me search out what scriptures I am talking about. I woke up with this on my heart, and I need to know the WORD.
I have great respect for leaders, and feel they have made the ultimate sacrifice as servant to the Kingdom of God. However, I am aware of the "Elite" church. Many leaders can get off focus. To say leadership is wrong, would not be my opinion. Order is neccessary. I do not feel I stated anywhere that the message of Christ should be negleted. HOWEVER, message to mature us ar ealways founded off the foundation of Christ. One can not be w/o the other.
Thanks for the nice, peace-able discussion.
I'll do my homework on the scrpture I am speaking of. |
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Well, I am still searching, but I found one example in Jude.
As much as he wanted to teach on the gospel, there was another matter he felt at hand that needed attention. 1:3 Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write unto you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write unto you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered unto the saints.
Other scriptures that talk about leadership:
5:1 The elders among you I exhort, who am a fellow-elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, who am also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 5:2 Tend the flock of God which is among you, exercising the oversight, not of constraint, but willingly, according to `the will of' God; nor yet for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 5:3 neither as lording it over the charge allotted to you, but making yourselves ensamples to the flock. 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall be manifested, ye shall receive the crown of glory that fadeth not away. 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, be subject unto the elder. Yea, all of you gird yourselves with humility, to serve one another: for God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble.
And other good scriptures I ran across I liked:
1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that were wanting, and appoint elders in every city, as I gave thee charge;
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Here is another good scripture to look at. We shouldn't have to go back and teach the basics to those who should know better.
Hebrews 6:1-8 1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. | |
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