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In the NIV translation of the Bible they have added these words, "keep no record of wrongs," in the text from 1 Cor. 13:4,5. "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs (NIV - not found in the NKJV)." Someone added this verse into a discussion that we were having regarding forgiveness. They asked, "how can we rebuke someone until they repent, without keeping a record of their wrongs?" They said this because they believe we are to forgive everyone, regardless if they repent or not. Even though Jesus says in Luke 17:3, "take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him," they somehow think that Jesus did away with that instruction, when He died on the cross. Regardless, I'd like to think through those 5 words that the NIV adds. First, these words don't have to mean that the action of repentance hasn't taken place yet. The person was reading that into those verses. Keep no record of wrongs can include, after a person has repented and you
have forgiven them; then you keep no record of what they did. After this you could apply the discussion to the 70 x 7 verses, "Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times (Matt 18:21,22 - NIV)." If we can keep the words added by the NIV and then apply the verses above to it, I think we come up with this discussion. Are we to forget how many times the person has repeated the offense and then asked for our forgiveness? I think it is somewhat impossible to do, what do you think? |
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I think that there is a difference between an "eternal God" and a "sinful person".
I think that there is a difference between "forgiving a person 70x7 times" and "trusting a leopard who will not change his/her spots the 500th time". |
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Sin must first die in the skull, before it can die in the body.
Jesus was crucified in the placed called Skull.
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
There are those who are defiled with doctrines clevery uploaded by Devils that can not escape from seeing defiled things in their world. One must first clean their eye and purify their heart before any sin can be removed from their neighbor.
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Yes, yet that is what we are instructed to do. If we rebuke, they repent and we truly keep no record of the wrong... then there are no repeated offenses. Because the slate was whipped clean!
The problem with us people- we want to remember those past forgiveness-es like we did them a favor. Christ does not want us to do that. Gone! Like our sins are to Christ. Tossed in the sea of forgetfulness never to be remembered again. (or do we want Christ to recall ours? Because remember- with the same measure we use- it will be used on us) |
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LOL... paints a sad picture of us humans doesn't it?
Father God help us to forgive as you do |
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June 11, 2008 at 3:58pm |
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Hey, Thank you all for the comments. It's interesting isn't it. Makes me want to include this also: I've often heard people say, "I do forgive you, but I will never forget it." Isn't that natural? In the 1 Cor. 13 NIV version, Paul says, forget it. Treat the person as though it never happened and that this is their first time. I agree with maybe treating the person as it is their first time after a couple of times, but what about after a dozen or so times, what then? I don't know about you, but without God working in me, I can keep a record of wrongs and the devil will help see to it... that I keep going over it, regardless if the person has repented or not. How about you? Am I alone in this or is it a very common experience? |
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June 23, 2008 at 4:33am |
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Hey Anybody,
What about this, if there is a repeat offender brought into court charged with lying, should the Court really forget about the other time they were brought in for lying but somehow got off... or should that other time be included to determine what to do this time?
I think Tom is eluding to this in his comment above. R...
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| I think we should forgive, but it's stupid to forget some things....like if someone keeps stealing from you, will you just "forget" and leave your purse out? which, BTW would be like causing them to stumble if you know they do this. Or if someone had an affair with your spouse, will you "forget" to the point of if the two of them are alone somewhere, that that would be acceptable? You get my point. God gave us a brain to use, and Jesus didn't even trust men cuz He knew what was in us. We MUST forgive, and I think that we MUST NOT throw it in the person's face, and in that way and that way only "forget". the whole keeping no record of wrong |
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August 24, 2008 at 4:55am |
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Thank you Lara for the star and the comment. So are you sure that He has given us all a brain? The Democratic National Convention is in town, so do you think I should go ask them? Sarcasm. Is it a good thing or not? :) R... |
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| LOL I am just a simple Canadian who doesn't follow her politics too much. LOL Is THAT a good thing or not? LOL LOL |
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