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Michael
June 19, 2008 at 3:13pm
Can you give us any information about the book? It sounds interesting.
Thank you.
LindaZ
June 19, 2008 at 3:23pm
Sure Michael - but honestly, this was the compounding effect from Fr. Vazken's broadcast last night as well as all the traffic on the gay marriage blog.  It's interesting to see where this can go and how or if it connects.  I'll get the exact title to you later this evening - @ work right now :)
Michael
June 19, 2008 at 5:38pm
Thanks. I'm listening to Fr.'s broacast right now.
Vartan
June 19, 2008 at 7:08pm

-The possibilities are endless!

Linda, Orthodoxy is endless!  Good topic.

Mike n Laura
June 19, 2008 at 7:47pm
Interesting blog! You know, I've bought bags full of Christian books at flea markets etc. before, there are a lot of them lying around here. Just waiting for me to have a similar experience as you Linda!
LindaZ
June 19, 2008 at 8:38pm
Michael - The book is titled Meeting Christ in the Sacraments, Colman E. O'Neill

Vartan - When I saw that you had commented, before reading what you had written, I thought, oh no, what did I say now?...haha....

ENDLESS!

Mike n Laura - I can't wait to discover all the other treasures...Thanks!
Vartan
June 20, 2008 at 10:26am

Linda, I found a few good articles talking about the Sacraments, and I think this one has the best explaination with as little amount of writing about them by Rev. Thomas Fitzgerald: 

 

One of the best-known prayers of the Orthodox Church speaks of the spirit of God being "present in all places and filling all things." This profound affirmation is basic to Orthodoxy's understanding of God and His relationship to the world. We believe that God is truly near to us. Although He cannot be seen, God is not detached from His creation. Through the persons of The Risen Christ and the Holy Spirit, God is present and active in our lives and in the creation about us. All our life and the creation of which we are an important part, points, to and reveals God.

There are special experiences in our corporate life as Orthodox Christians when the perception of God's presence and actions is heightened and celebrated. We call these events of the Church Sacraments. Traditionally, the Sacraments have been known as Mysteries in the Orthodox Church. This description emphasizes that in these special events of the Church, God discloses Himself through the prayers and actions of His people.

Not only do the Sacraments disclose and reveal God to us, but also they serve to make us receptive to God. All the Sacraments affect our personal relationship to God and to one another. The Holy Spirit works through the Sacraments. He leads us to Christ who unites us with the Father. By participating in the Sacraments, we grow closer to God and to receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This process of deification, or theosis, as it is known by Orthodoxy, takes place not in isolation from others, but within the context of a believing community. Although the Sacraments are addressed to each of us by name, they are experiences which involve the entire Church.

The Sacraments of the Orthodox Church are composed of prayers, hymns, scripture lessons, gestures and processions. Many parts of the services date back to the time of the Apostles. The Orthodox Church has avoided reducing the Sacraments to a particular formula or action. Often, a whole series of sacred acts make up a Sacrament. Most of the Sacraments use a portion of the material of creation as an outward and visible sign of God's revelation. Water, oil, bread and wine are but a few of the many elements which the Orthodox Church employs in her Worship. The frequent use of the material of creation reminds us that matter is good and can become a medium of the Spirit. Most importantly, it affirms the central truth of the Orthodox Christian faith: that God became flesh in Jesus Christ and entered into the midst of creation thereby redirecting the cosmos toward its vocation to glorify its Creator.

THE EUCHARIST

The Holy Eucharist, which is known as the Divine Liturgy, is the central and most important worship experience of the Orthodox Church. Often referred to as the "Sacrament of Sacraments", it is the Church's celebration of the Death and Resurrection of Christ offered every Sunday and Holy day. All the other Sacraments of the Church lead toward and flow from the Eucharist, which is at the center of the life of the Church. 

BAPTISM

The Sacrament of Baptism incorporates us into the Church, the Body of Christ, and is our introduction to the life of the Holy Trinity. Water is a natural symbol of cleansing and newness of life. Through the three-fold immersion in the waters of Baptism in the Name of the Holy Trinity, one dies to the old ways of sin and is born to a new life in Christ. Baptism is one's public identification with Christ Death and victorious Resurrection. Following the custom of the early Church, Orthodoxy encourages the baptism of infants. The Church believes that the Sacrament is bearing witness to the action of God who chooses a child to be an important member of His people. From the day of their baptism, children are expected to mature in the life of the Spirit, through their family and the Church. The Baptism of adults is practiced when there was no previous baptism in the name of the Holy Trinity.

CHRISMATION

The Sacrament of Chrismation (Confirmation) immediately follows baptism and is never delayed until a later age. As the ministry of Christ was enlivened by the Spirit, and the preaching of the Apostles strengthened by the Spirit, so is the life of each Orthodox Christian sanctified by the Holy Spirit. Chrismation, which is often referred to as one's personal Pentecost, is the Sacrament which imparts the Spirit in a special way.

In the Sacrament of Chrismation, the priest anoints the various parts of the body of the newly-baptized with Holy Oil saying: "The seal of the gifts of the Holy Spirit." The Holy Oil, which is blessed by the bishop, is a sign of consecration and strength. The Sacrament emphasizes the truths that not only is each person a valuable member of the Church, but also each one is blessed by the Spirit with certain gifts and talents. The anointing also reminds us that our bodies are valuable and are involved in the process of salvation.

The Sacraments of initiation always are concluded with the distribution of Holy Communion to the newly-baptized. Ideally, this takes place within the celebration of the Divine Liturgy. This practice reveals that Orthodoxy views children from their infancy as important members of the Church. There is never time when the young are not part of God's people.

CONFESSION

As members of the Church, we have responsibilities to one another and, of course, to God. When we sin, or relationship to God and to others distorted. Sin is ultimately alienation from God, from our fellow human beings, and from our own true self which is created in God's image and likeness.

Confession is the Sacrament through which our sins are forgiven, and our relationship to God and to others is restored and strengthened. Through the Sacrament, Christ our Lord continues to heal those broken in spirit and restore the Father's love those who are lost. According to Orthodox teaching, the penitent confess to God and is forgiven by God. The priest is the sacramental witness who represents both Christ and His people. The priest is viewed not as a judge, but as a physician and guide. It is an ancient Orthodox practice for every Christian to have a spiritual father to whom one turns for spiritual advice and counsel. Confession can take place on any number of occasions. The frequency is left the discretion of the individual. In the event of serious sin, however, confession is a necessary preparation for Holy Communion.

MARRIAGE

God is active in our lives. It is He who joins a man and a woman in a relationship of mutual love. The Sacrament of Marriage bears witness to His action. Through this Sacrament, a man and a woman are publicly joined as husband and wife. They enter into a new relationship with each other, God, and the Church. Since Marriage is not viewed as a legal contract, there are no vows in the Sacrament. According to Orthodox teachings, Marriage is not simply a social institution, it is an eternal vocation of the kingdom. A husband and a wife are called by the holy Spirit not only to live together but also to share their Christian life together so that each, with the aid of the other, may grow closer to God and become the persons they are meant to be. In the Orthodox Marriage Service, after the couple have been betrothed and exchanged rings, they are crowned with "crowns of glory and honor" signifying the establishment of a new family under God. Near the conclusion of the Service, the husband and wife drink from a common cup which is reminiscent of the wedding of Cana and which symbolized the sharing of the burdens and joys of their new life together.

HOLY ORDERS

The Holy Spirit preserved the continuity of the Church through the Sacrament of Holy Orders. Through ordination, men who have been chosen from within the Church are set apart by the Church for special service to the Church. Each is called by God through His people to stand amid the community, as pastor and teacher, and as the representative of the parish before the Altar. Each is also a living icon of Christ among His people. According to Orthodox teaching, the process of ordination begins with the local congregation; but the bishop alone, who acts in the name of the universal Church, can complete the action. He does so with the invocation of the Holy Spirit and the imposition of his hands on the person being ordained.

Following the custom of the Apostolic Church, there are three major orders each of which requires a special ordination. These are Bishop, who is viewed as a successor of the Apostles, Priest and Deacon, who act in the name of the Bishop. Each order is distinguished by its pastoral responsibilities. Only a Bishop may ordain. Often, other titles and offices are associated with the three orders. The Orthodox Church permits men to marry before they are ordained. Since the sixth century, Bishops have been chosen from the celibate clergy.

ANOINTING OF THE SICK (HOLY UNCTION)

When one is ill and in pain, this can very often be a time of life when one feels alone and isolated. The Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick, or Holy Unction as it is also known, remind us that when we are in pain, either physical, emotional, or spiritual, Christ is present with us through the ministry of his Church. He is among us to offer strength to meet the challenges of life, and even the approach of death.

As with Chrismation, oil is also used in this Sacrament as a sign of God's presence, strength, and forgiveness. After the reading of seven epistle lessons, seven gospel lessons and the offering of seven prayers, which are all devoted to healing, the priest anoints the body with the Holy Oil. Orthodoxy does not view this Sacrament as available only to those who are near death. It is offered to all who are sick in body, mind, or spirit. The Church celebrates the Sacrament for all its members during Holy week on Holy Wednesday.

LindaZ
June 20, 2008 at 11:17am
This is wonderful Vartan - thanks for posting it. 

I loved reading this line below too. 

This process of deification, or theosis, as it is known by Orthodoxy, takes place not in isolation from others, but within the context of a believing community. Although the Sacraments are addressed to each of us by name, they are experiences which involve the entire Church. 

Now, not to turn the course or anything (no not me) - but when I've mentioned women's relationships being limited to God by way of Armenian Church dogma, I was told my thinking was a no-no from certain members of the Orthodox Church. 

So, question - If we know that the Sacrament of Holy Orders are not for everyone, but especially not for women according to the Armenian Orthodox Church, then would it be accurate to say that a man has got an additional opportunity or two to experience God through the Sacraments?    
Vartan
June 20, 2008 at 12:42pm
Linda, I would recommend you check this book out:

The Deaconess in the Armenian Church : A Brief Survey by Abel Oghlukian

Remember, there are many men who decide to stay celibate, so the Sacrament of Marriage is not part of their lives. Does this mean they cannot experience God more fully because they have decided to stay celibate and women who are married have the upper hand? God forbid! We should not look at the number of Sacraments one has access to but understand the grace that  Sacraments give to us as Christians. 

LindaZ
June 20, 2008 at 12:51pm

The decision a man makes to stay celibate is different that the decision a woman has to make to deny God's calling.  I see your point though....and of course this isn't some kind of Sacrament tally.  So I take it your answer to my question is No?

Thank you for the book info.

PARoss
June 20, 2008 at 1:13pm
It is quite rare to see mention of the Armenian Church (as opposed to the Arminian church).But since it is here, you might be interested in a famous contemporary American churchman whose father was an Armenian priest, R.J. Rushdoony. Though he died a few years ago, his work goes on through the Chalcedon Foundation. If you are looking for deep wisdom for contemporary people, you ought to give him a read.
LindaZ
June 20, 2008 at 1:35pm
Hi PARoss - I've always heard mention of the Armenian Church, well, because I'm Armenian :)

Thanks for the info.
Vartan
June 20, 2008 at 1:40pm
PARoss, Armenian Orthodoxy and Protestant Reconstructionism are at polar opposite ends. Our "deep wisdom" comes from 2000 years of Apostolic Tradition and the Church Fathers. There is no place for a Calvinist point of view in out theology.
LindaZ
June 20, 2008 at 1:45pm
A little too narrow for my taste, but what can I say? - Vartan, you're consistent!
Vartan
June 20, 2008 at 2:19pm
Thanks Linda, I'm taking that as compliment. I'm trying my best to stay on the straight and narrow road.
PARoss
June 21, 2008 at 5:46am

Vartan, should we be at "polar opposite ends" of things, one of us would be a minion of Satan. In this, I believe you are mistaken. Rather, we are much closer than you imagine. In fact, our different traditions would benefit greatly from cross pollenization. So rather than demonize one another, why not discuss God's truth in the light of day (actually in the light of Christ) and allow God's Holy Spirit to shape us as He will.

I understand that this could be threatening for us both, in that we each may be driven by the truth of God to grow in ways we have heretofore eschewed, to embrace things we have opposed, and to sacrifice things we hold dear. This would likely be the result unless we have already arrived at perfection, which is certainly not true in my case, and unlikely in yours.

The theology that belongs to Christ's church is not yours nor mine -- nor is it Calvin's, nor does it belong to any one particular and necessarily flawed version of Christian history, neither Calvinistic nor Orthodox. Rather, it is alive -- growing and dynamic, not dead -- fixed and calcified. But neither is it shapeless, nor is it meek to our human whims and ideosyncracies. It is, rather, meek to Christ alone.

(I am not here denying or belittling the importance of Christian history in regard to the shaping of the church, but quite the opposite. Rather, I am suggesting that the true history of the church is not narrowly contained in any one historic Christian tradition or denomination. But rather, as Kathy has noted, we see in a glass darkly -- and as such, we need to help one another. We are not enemies.)

As Jesus said, "They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father. Then Jesus said to them, When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you shall know that I AM, and that I do nothing of Myself, but as My Father has taught Me, I speak these things. And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things which please Him. As He spoke these words, many believed upon Him. Then Jesus said to the Jews who believed on Him, If you continue in My Word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered Him, We are Abraham's seed and were never in bondage to anyone. How do you say, You will be made free? [Note: they were offended.} Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever practices sin is the slave of sin. And the slave does not abide in the house forever, but the Son abides forever. Therefore if the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed" (John 8:27-36).

Later He said, "If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there also My servant shall be. If anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him"  (John 12:26).

But you know these things already.

Vartan
June 21, 2008 at 11:06am

PARoss, when I said that Armenian Orthodoxy and Protestant Reconstructionism are at polar opposite ends, I was stating a theological and historical fact. True, we can and should learn from each other to understand how our view of the Trinity is shaped and how we relate to God, but I do have to disagree that being at opposite ends would make one of us as a "minion of Satan." If you think that is what I was implying, then it shows that you really don't understand our state of mind.

 

PARoss
June 21, 2008 at 1:50pm

Vartan, I just thought that you were demonizing Calvin and was trying to establish some common ground by suggesting that we are not at extreme odds, as are Christ and Satan. You weren't, right? I did not mean to suggest that you were a minion of Satan. If I thought that, why would I want to establish common ground with you? My bad, sorry.

So, the Trinity -- yes. I've been thinking a lot about the Trinity lately.

PARoss
June 25, 2008 at 1:57pm
Vartan, So tell me about the Tinity and how He effects your relationship with God.
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