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What kind of evangelism was that?
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Cheryl Whit
June 29, 2008
If you pounce...its not good, what we see as "Christians/ already there" is no big deal....but, do you remember where you were when you were not saved....I agree Mike!  I understand where you are coming from and also have been the Outreach Director and it is true...do all things in love.....
Janie
June 29, 2008
I Like this one Mike - We are all given different gifts - Bless you for posting this
Patti  Hagadorn
June 29, 2008
I think people tend to act first and count on the HOLY SPIRIT later. If it is the right time and place, those words will flow like the River Nile! Keep up the good blogs, kids! Us old people need um!
very skeptical
June 29, 2008

As a person who got witnessed upon, I can tell you it is a scary and offsetting experience.

A girl invited me to study after school, I was down. Then she whipped out her bible and I flipped out. When I told her I wasnt ready to accept jesus she told me that that is a scary choice because I might die tomorrow...Thats pretty foward - convert now or you might not go to heaven..if there is one...

I told the story to a few friends and they said they would have left right there. Dont be sneaky about it you christians! its scary! I like what you said though mike, let that come naturally I guess

Cathy Tugwell Crane
June 29, 2008

I like this one too, the conversation at the bank was great, our Pastor is always
telling us just to love on 'em and just being friendly and at the sametime and to
trust God for the rest

Normally Norm
June 29, 2008

I think we ALL are called to do this.  However, I think we all have different ways of achieving this.  Some use words, some use actions.

But for most of us in the positions we are in, we shouldn't start out by trying to close the deal to begin with. 

Trukki
June 29, 2008
Well put. It should be as natural as saying hello to someone on the street. Like you said a natural outflowing~ They see the light then they get the salt~ We tend to want to tenderize and salt them first.~ What good is a lamp hidden under a bushel~ People are attracted to the light~ The light of life~ That life is Christ. Well done Mike !!!
Mike n Laura
June 29, 2008

Thanks Cathy, yeah I was so excited after that. She accepted an invitation to church from a stranger, how cool!!

Pastor Tim, absolutely. You might get positive responses on the street, but how many of those "converts" will stick? Or worse, how many folks will you leave a bad taste in their mouths thus reducing the chances they'll investigate the faith in the future?  The Spirit is humble and meek, definitely a "gentleman". Thanks for your excellent input!

Mike n Laura
June 29, 2008

Brian, you have me chuckling here. "We tend to want to tenderize and salt them first." Well said, lol.

Norm, I couldn't agree more, I simply couldn't. 

Patti, "act first and count on the HOLY SPIRIT later", one of many mistakes we make, especially in this area. Keep callin me a kid, I'll love you forever! :-)

Thanks Janie. And THANK YOU for the message you sent, that one was special! 

Mike n Laura
June 29, 2008

Cher, thanks for your wise words. As an Outreach Dir. I'm sure you could write the book on what not to do!

very skeptical -- Wow, gotta admit, your post really adds credibility to this blog. I mean, that's the voice of experience right there. Sorry to hear about your experience though. Sometimes we are a pretty screwed up bunch. But when we get into the right place (w/God) I can tell you, there is no greater joy, no greater contentment. God bless you!

There was a scripture I meant to post, but forgot to. Peter wrote, "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect." The sense is that we should be living in such a way that Christ is proclaimed, such that people ask us what the secret of our joy and contentment is!

Sugg
June 29, 2008
We are all part of the Body...some are His Hands...Some are His Feet...Some are His Eyes...you are right....not everyone is cut out for door to door or street evangelism...I do believe His Heartbeat is for the lost...you can go to Heaven poor and sick, but not without Jesus...He longs to have His Children with Him...in His Kingdom, but once they are there...someone has to guide and help them grow...so Mr. Mike...you witness to who feel lead to and God will be pleased...You seem more like a teacher or something anyway...No condemnation...Great post...
Bakuri aka Patty
June 29, 2008
OMG THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH FOR THIS BLOG!!!!!  I've had SO many people tell me i should witness more and stuff... WHAT THE HECK AM I SUPPOSSED TO DO WALK UP TO SOME RANDOM PERSON IN SCHOOL AND BE LIKE "excuse me but do you know Jesus as your lord and savior?"  SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD JUST GET ME PUNCHED IN THE FACE!!!  and yet they're always like "it's a sacrafice you should be willing to make."  I don't think Jesus would be very happy if i went home with a broken nose because i attempted to witness.  I'm very bad at that.
My way of wittnessing is to sing Christian songs in public as much as possible.  Then they'll hear it, look it up, realize what it is, and get interested.  It's a very small possibility, but hey, a girl can hope, right?  either that or when people ask about my weekend, i bring up church, beginning a very nice, normal conversation.  Seriously, it works.
...and please excuse the caps lock.  I'm both on a caps lock rampage today and that's not even HALF of the emphasis i intended.  lol 
Bakuri aka Patty
June 29, 2008
by the way, Mike, did you finally loosen up and type this blog with your nose?  lol
GrammyB
June 29, 2008
Maybe we should call it "Hit & Run" evangelism -- we hit & they run. ;)  OUCH.
Cheryl Whit
June 29, 2008

hahahaha......

Mike n Laura
June 29, 2008

hehe, Patty you are FUNNY!! Hey, I loosened up and typed w/my nose on your blog, don't think I have it in me to do it again though, lol. Hey, like wow, judging by your comment Patty, I think YOU could teach a few people how to effectively share the message of the gospel. You might know more than a lot of folks twice your age!

LaT, thanks. Yes we are all different, thank goodness. So why do so many demand a one size fits all approach?? Sorry, but I've finally put that issue to rest in my mind. I appreciate your input sis!!

Mike n Laura
June 29, 2008
"Hit & Run" evangelism....LOL!
Ragland Jebaraj
June 29, 2008

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the wonderful insight into this. I would like to refer to the same marching order given by Jesus in Mathew 28: 19 - 20.

Mat 28:19  Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20  teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." 

See there are four parts to this marching orders. One - Go, Two- make them disciples, Three baptize them  and Four - Teach them to observe the commandments of Jesus.

While we have always been doing the first three, We fail miserably on the fourth. The reason is we dont follow the commandments ourselves and hence we are not able to teach His commandments to the others.

This is a time to introspect ourselves. Thanks for the opportunity to check myself  Mike.

 

 

Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008
Thanks Rag, I think we would all do well to do some serious self examination. And I like your 4 parts. I also see some deficiency in #2, there are many who don't know what it means to be a disciple. More emphasis needed on mentorship!
Bakuri aka Patty
June 30, 2008
really?  thanks!
and c'mon!  you said you would in a side comment!  remember?  you said "i really need to loosen up and start typing with my nose.  I bet Jesus would if he saw my memo" or something like that.  go check!
lol just kidding.  lotsa christ love to ya! <3
Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008
ok patty, sure tthig    .....typed w/my nose! so there!
Bakuri aka Patty
June 30, 2008
okay!  *is happy now* lol  ok i'll stop spamming your blog now ^-^
Wilson Morales
June 30, 2008
Mike,

Well stated!  As a pastor, I am always worried that our evangelism is too "churchy."  Consequently, and I say this as respectfully as I can, many churches have become "cultic" in their "door to door" approach to reaching others.  Now please note, I am not critical of this approach as it may literally save some folk who are desperately needing to hear someone "knock" on their door and share the good news of God's love! 

Nonetheless, I have come to a conclusion that effective evangelism is the natural outcome of relationship building.  One of the things that we do in our congregation is have "craffeast", "fried turkeyfest" and the like.  During those times, we receive many new folks who just want to sit on a table and go at the crabs.  Well, we just do the same and enjoy their presence and newly found friendship.  The outcome... quite naturally they show up in Church that sunday and look for that particular "connection" they made during the crabfest.

MIke, I am tired of the "guilt" evangelism as it makes me feel that there will be "blood in my hands" if I don't witness to those folks.  Today, I enjoy just meeting people and allowing God to grant me the wisdom to honestly connect.  Once that happens, the outcome is quite predictable...

Great post!

Dr. W.
Dave Jenkins
June 30, 2008

Mike,

 Great testimony and I agree. Our witness should be intentional and not forced. Jesus didn't call us to live a "forceful relationship" rather He called us to not only just live the Gospel but to live for Him. I also agree that we shouldn't feel guilty to witness but rather it should be the natural outworking of a life lived for God. When we are abiding in Jesus the overflow of His grace will shine like a star in a culture whose light is dim.

Old Man of The North
June 30, 2008
I couldn't agree with you more Mike n Laura. I call it doing spiritual GBH on people.  If you want me to use stronger language, its called spiritual molestation or groping. No wonder people back off and Christianity its getting a bad name, its because the way people go about things!  Witnessing should come (and be) natural - not forced as "a duty."
ayanna
June 30, 2008
AWESOME WORD!
Stacey
June 30, 2008
Mike,

Your post is the exact reason it's taken so long for my husband to come around...p.s. you type pretty good with your nose! LOL
Wendy McCluskey
June 30, 2008
AMEN! No one likes to have anything crammed down their throat and we cannot MAKE someone believe they must be called by God. I've only been a Christian for about 4 years now and as a former non-believer I can tell you that until your ready to look for the word you won't have it pushed on you. I like to think that my joy in the Lord shines through that others will see me and ask me why are you so happy all the time. Or how did you get through that rough time you went through. I leave openings for people to ask. And give only as much as they are ready to hear. Leave seeds, God will do the rest. And to those of you who are called to hand out those words of faith I thank you. God put them in my way when I was ready to see them. God's joy be in you all. AMEN
Wendy McCluskey
June 30, 2008
argh, should have been a comma ...cannot make someone believe, they must be called by God.
Forgiven
June 30, 2008
AHHHH!! "Befriended him first"... awesome! Sometimes we get so busy 'telling' everyone instead of listening to them, and finding out about their hopes and dreams, their hurts and sorrows.

I loved this post!

cathy
Hudnall
June 30, 2008
I find that if we are living in Light.... they ask!

Ohhhhh you just stirred a ton of stories in my head- LOL
MarJay HizWay
June 30, 2008
Enjoyed this Mike...so much of what you have spoken is so true....Everyone in the Body of Christ does have their respective gifts, and everyone is not cut out to evangelize....Neither are they prepared, or should I say fully equipped with the Word of God....Listening and being a friend can go a long, long way.....People have problems and hurts...they need a shoulder to cry on...or just someone to listen to their pain.....If we as Christians *live* the life we preach about...we don't ever have to quote one passage of scripture...people will *know* from how you walk and talk.....

When they want to talk bible....You don't have to worry...They will ASK *YOU*!....That is then your open door to witness....When it comes to soul winning...we must be wise as a serpant...and harmless as a dove.......LISTEN Yall to the hurting and lost.....I guarantee you...It will go a long...long....way!

Peace & Blessings,
Sister Margie
Evangelist Keith  Wilson
June 30, 2008
Mike your point on this is well taken and although I am a teacher of Evangelism I don't think that we all have to go door to door nor do street evangelism, I do believe that all Christians should have the mind-set to win the Lost, and what that means is the part about "Befriending and listing to people" this helps the processes and allows you and I an avenue to do what Christ commissioned us to do. If a person is not looking for opportunities to witness it will never get done. The agents that God uses to bring others to Christ is through people (CHRISTIANS) by the Holy Spirit, and we have to be sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit, less we run the risk of making excuses to not do anythingand allow the lost to go to Hell!  A Christian should never feel forced, but they should feel compelled by The Spirit and Love of Jesus and what he Loves "HE LOVES THE SOULS OF MAN" HE wants us to love them the same. Our mind-set has to be for the lost, I think the world has made us feel less obligated to share Christ.
Cindy
June 30, 2008
We are all made different.....for a reason :)
Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008
Dr W, I see you and I are kindred spirits on this issue. Thanks for your comments, I feel honored!

Keith, I agree that we need to have the mindset to win the lost. You're right, we have to be looking for the opportunities, and I think that looking is part of the concern the Spirit gives us for the lost. God bless ya bro!

Thanks Margie! Showing compassion for people is as much a form of witnessing as doing street evangelism, IMHO. Revealing God's heart through caring is so important! Hey, Jesus spent as much time healing as preaching, if not more.

Ruth, looks like you'll be writing much then! :-)

Thanks Cathy, we are, as they say, in tune w/one another. God bless!

(aside) Wow, encouraging comments!!! I must say, I expected many dissenters on this one. If you're out there, please feel free to post! Just don't blast me or mistake my sentiments as a lack of concern for the lost. THAT would be most presumptuous!
Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008
Yes Cindy! Yes yes yes!

Wendy, great comments!! So glad you added your perspective here! And wow, that comma was definitely a very important one! LOL

Stacey, I'm glad you pointed that out....another example of why we need to approach people carefully!

Thanks Minister Ayanna!

Steve B, I appreciate your analogy of abuse. It seems applicable in certain instances. Regarding non-believers as something less than we ourselves, as objects, is similar to the way abusers regard their victims. De-personalized.
Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008
PastorDave, thanks! Intentional, yes. Just as intentional as walking closely with the Lord!
mstovall2003
June 30, 2008
Before I was saved, people who pounced upon me and scared me with the fact(and it is) that if I didn't accept Jesus I would go to hell.  That is scary, especially if you know that something isn't right, but you just can't seem to put your hand on it.  I witness to people at every opportunity, but it isn't the door-to-door, stand on the corner kind of witnessing.  I try to witness through my actions towards others, conversations that may lead to an invitation to church, kind words that encourage.  ACTION is how you relate to others and if you put on this holier than thou attitude then people are going to steer clear.  JESUS can be brought up in any conversation, it just depends on how you do it.  He is in any type of conversation and when the Holy Spirit prompts us to bring him in, DO IT.  He will let you know when, where and how. Just keep your heart open.
Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008
Mary, much wisdom in those words, thanks! You apparently have much to teach on this subject, probably from experience. "conversations that may lead to an invitation to church, kind words that encourage..." Precisely! We need to see people as people, care for everyone as the Savior did. We should never regard people as targets, or categorized them as either sheep or goats. God will do the separating. We should pray that our words and actions encourage everyone around us to want to move closer to Jesus, not farther away!
Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008
Tim, good comments! Explaining who you are (as a band) and why you do what you do is great!
Tammy Hollis
June 30, 2008

Wow. One of my friends who I have worked with for the last 6 years was relocated to a different office back in January. She knew I was a "freaky born-again" I did share some things with her and even invited her church a couple of times, but she reasoned that even though my church sounds pretty cool, and interesting, she lives in Cape St Clair near the Bay Bridge so she would not commute that far to go to church.( she has never been a member of any church) 

When she left in January, my heart broke. Working together for six years brought us close, and even though I knew she was unsaved, and even though her sense of humor on many things was unsavory to say the least... I love her early, and continue to keep her and her family in my prayers. 

I worry often, that I was her only chance, and I did not do enough to win her over to Christ, I did not preach of the end times, and what would happen if she did not accept Jesus, I simply shared some church experiences, or a word on Monday from Church the day before. I knew I may have been a decent example of what it looks like to be a christian, but I was certainly no evangelist, and everytime I see her picture here in my office, I ask God for forgiveness for not doing enough to draw her in.

Sorry this commenting is so long, but once again, you have blogged on a topic close to my heart, and pinched a nerve. So I ask you now for advice Mike.... Should I just continue to pray for my dear friend Judy? Should I press her to make the commute and visit our church in hopes that one visit will be the hook, line , and sinker ?

Like you mentioned I tried to witness to her without focussing on the point of witnessing, and yet... i am sure what I did do was not enough. It is an unimaginable heartache, not to mention and overwhelming burden on the heart to feel like you may have  been the only life line to someone who is drowning, and you did not do enough to actually save them.

Ed
June 30, 2008
All we need to do is to look at the example of Christ.  Did he point his finger at people and "You"re going to hell in a hand basket if you don't accept me as your personal Lord and Savior"?The answer is no.  He led people to the Father naturally by talking to them in a non-condemning way.  He taught by example and parables.  He shook off the dust of the towns where people would not listen and moved on to people who would.  No pressure evangelism.  Just love, compassion and a desire to see people at peace.  He took opportunity and he did not force himself on anyone. 
Forgiven
June 30, 2008
By the way, Mike...you guys should have a little home church going...or something like it. The Lord has given you lots of wisdom, and love.

c
Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008

Thanks for your comments Tam (prog_etc), lifestyle evangelism (a new term to me) definitely seems to be where the NT gravitates toward. So so glad you are in our camp. God bless!!

Tammy, I've dispensed with the guilty feelings after giving the issue thought. It is my opinion that you should consider doing so as well. I don't believe God is going to hold you or I responsible for the loss of even one sinner. Biblically all are responsible for themselves (although the case of children may be a different story). As for Judy, I would just keep the relationship alive if you have hopes of sharing your faith with her. If all you are interested in doing is sharing your faith with her in order to relieve your conscience, then I feel that might not go over well. (Again, in my opinion.)

Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008

Cathy...I deeply appreciate your confidence. We do facilitate a small group, sort of like a home church. It's a "marriage enrichment" small group, so we tackle a lot of marital issues.

Thank you Paul. In your analogy, I guess we're in the dirty water right up to the point where it falls? 

Amen Ed. Christ appears to have attended to people's physical needs (mainly healing) first, teaching when he had an audience. Surprisingly, people were just as amazed at his teaching as at the miraculous healings.

Tammy Hollis
June 30, 2008
I have to really search my heart sometimes when it comes to Judy. She represents so much about how I was, and how I thought of the world before Jesus became MORE in my life. I see so much similarities between our lifestyles, yet differences that make an eternal difference. Part of me feels the same way about my husband... I am attracted to them sorta like they represent a reminder of my old life, even though I thank God I am freed from that same "old life"... does that make any sense at all?

I dont think I am sharing just to relieve my conscience, because I am truly in my heart of hearts wanting them to have that relationship with Jesus that I love so much, however, you make a good point, because I have made "spiritual advances" on both Judy, and my husband in the past that has not always been received well. Especially where my husband is concerned, The Lord is really working on me to let Him work.... and for me back off .... ever heard of Getting in God's way? I do that. I wish I didnt always put that burden on myself, afterall It is not me, they need to receive into their hearts.... boy oh boy Mike.... Do you have to convict me soooo!! lol - you are the
"King of the thought provoking Blogs!"  
Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008

Dear Tammy, sorry if anything I wrote sounded blunt. I know you are a caring individual and deeply concerned about your friend and husband. I would just hate to see you fighting both worry for them and guilt for perceived failures on your part -- a double burden! I imagine as your enjoyment in the Savior increases, they'll see and hopefully believe too.

Marcella, wow. I'm looking forward to reading about your encounter with the magistrate! Sounds like it was a long time ago. Write! 

Tammy Hollis
June 30, 2008
Mike - Blunt?  naahh, You just tell it like it is, and I love that about you!! sound advice, good perspective.... why do you think I dump my worries on you and await your input so often?! Have a blessed day Mike... _Tam
Deb Rockwell
June 30, 2008
It took me a long time to realize that God doesn't expect me to go door to door to search for souls to save.  There are some who can do that and have success with it, but I am not one of those people.  If it seems natural, I will have the conversation with someone, but my biggest goal is to live my life so that people can see Christ in me.
Rob
June 30, 2008
Mike,

This is an area of HUGE agreement between us.  Anything that is consistent with Jesus' philosophy of "easy and light" has my vote.

Once upon a time, I was a member of a church that had a big evangelical focus.  If you didn't evangelize that meant you weren't committed.  They were all about the guilt and condemnation.  I eventually fell away under the heavy-hand of religion.

Now-a-days, I casually let people know that God is good all the time.  Most lost people accept that or ignore it.  Ironically, I find that the people who most vociferously reject such a claim are church people.  If you want to start a religious argument, tell a church person about the goodness of God.  They will do unbelievable acrobatics to "prove" you wrong.

Telling good news to the lost is easy.  The "saved", by and large, are the ones who have a problem with it.

Or so it seems to me,
Rob
Brother Todd
June 30, 2008

Mike,

There are millions of ways to communicate our faith each and every day.  Witnessing is a by product of who we are.  We naturally talk about things that are of interest to us.  It should be the same way in witnessing for Christ.  It doesn't need to be forced, or coerced.  One of the most important concepts to grasp is that it needs to be Spirit-led.  When the Holy Spirit opens the door it is like as you said, "natural" and the invitation is welcomed. If it were up to all of us, we would "save everyone" but, ultimately it is up to God.  No man comes to the Father except the Spirit draw Him.  Another important thing to keep in mind is that we have to earn the right to be heard.  In others words people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.  But, hey, we all skin our knuckles and knees in this thing.  No body is perfect, and we can never fault anyone for their passion or their convictions that causes them to go to extremes to reach others with the gospel. Personally, I think it takes all kinds of people and all kinds of methods to reach people.  The people who may not relate to me will relate to you and vice versa.  Take Care, Mike and keep sharing your faith.

Rob
June 30, 2008
Brother To...,

Can I make a slight adjustment to what you wrote (above)?

"No man comes to the Father except the Spirit draw Him."

The exact quote is:
6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Spirit doesn't do the drawing, the Father does.  I don't know what difference that makes except it might have been stated that way in order to indicate that only the saved can be led by the Spirit.  If the lost had the Holy Spirit they wouldn't be lost; they'd be saved.

8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

In general, however, I agree with your comment.  It's gotta flow from within.

Rob

Tonya
June 30, 2008
Mike,
Here is that link to the radio broadcast; thought we could include everyone. 

A message from Pastor Greg Laurie, July 1, 2008, tomorrow.

"Personal Evangelism:  Where our responsibility ends and the Holy Spirit begins."

http://www.harvest.org/radio/index.php/1.html#

In-Joy and Spirit led,

T.
Brother Todd
June 30, 2008
Rob:  I appreciate that.  I quote so much scripture it is easy to get in a bad habit of misquoting which is not healthy to you or the hearers.  Point taken.
LV
June 30, 2008
Mike,

There have been varied and very good points on this subject - rightfully so. We are called to do this. But as has been pointed out, the heavy handed approach is more than likely just going to upset those who have a preconception of Christianity and Christians in general.

We went through a 6 week sermon series several years ago on this very subject. The first point (which I will probably remember as long as I dwell in this shell) was "Bar-B-Que 1st". In other words, if we are going to be able to have our testimony heard by the lost, we have to be friends first. What better way (as pointed out by Dr. W above) than to invite someone over for a meal or even a cup of coffee or dessert?

People need to hear the gospel but if we turn them off by hitting them between the eyes with the Bible (!!!) who wins?

In a similar vein, our congregation has started several events with this sort of focus that are easy to duplicate. One that's been very successful has been our annual "Trunk-n-treat" event on the same evening and time the local community "celebrates" Halloween. We have games, prizes and lots of hot dogs, chips and soda. Of course, there's candy as well. Over the last 5 years this has been a great outreach. Parents bring their kids by and know that they'll be safe... members of other churches stop by..., our own members decorate their vehicles with silly games for the kids to play for prizes... others are passing out tracts and invitations to stop by for worship on the following Sunday... 

It's a great way to reach those who would normally never darken the door of our sanctuary. Come Sunday morning, inevitably, some will be there to "get feed" again!

Mike n Laura
June 30, 2008

More excellent comments...thanks!!!

Great to see your church is so concerned for people, LV. Outreach is great!

Tonya, thanks for the link!!

Rob...agreement, exciting! And hey, I would bet if you asked 50 people in our church about the goodness of God, you would get 50 people raising their arms and shouting "hallelujah, amen!"

Todd, yes it certainly does take all kinds to reach the world for Christ. And I don't think anyone faults those who take Christ to their friends and neighbors from a place of concern or conviction. But when it's motivated by guilt, a perceived mandate (whether they are ready to or not), or someone else's convictions, I think we might agree it's not a good thing. Thanks for your input!


LV...you said be friends first. My goal is to become friends...nothing more. (Well, if I were to be totally honest I would have to admit that my prayers for their salvation give away my true heart for my dear neighbors.) 

We've become friends with many of our neighbors. We haven't outright witnessed to even one. Well, that is if by witnessing we mean tellin 'em how to get saved. No, instead we've helped people out when they needed it, we've become involved in people's lives, we've served them, hung out with them, fed them, etc etc. (I even put out a fire in a neighbor's tree!) We have invited a couple of people to church, but mostly we're just out to build friendships. If the goal is anything other than to get to know and enjoy them, then I feel as though I have ulterior motives, and am not being honest w/them. If I really care about them, the Spirit will naturally flow when the time comes, in love and complete truthfulness. But I have to admit, the time may never come for me to literally tell them about Jesus. And if that's the case, I hope to take solace in the fact that I exhibited Christ in the way I treated them, thus at least planting seeds. Does any of this make sense?

IMHO, my neighbor is the point, it's not about getting to know my neighbor well enough that I can share certain info with them. Sharing Christ w/them should be the same as sharing me with them!  (assuming sanctification and spiritual growth take their course)

LV
July 01, 2008
Mike, that's the key to witnessing or so I've found... we may be the only Bible the world around us (the lost and hurting) ever see... do they see us living out our faith as exposed through the scriptures?
Mike n Laura
July 01, 2008
Amen LV!
Glenn
July 03, 2008
Hey Mike, don't have time to read all of the comments, but I agree with your blog completely.  I have been the street corner bible thumper, because at JPUSA it was required.  I was so uncomfortable with it, that I sought a different way and developed a street theater group instead of just passing out tracts or telling people they were going to hell.  Once people would stop to see what the skit was they became interested and might actually ask what it all means.  Then the scripture in Peter "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect." comes to mind.  I have an opening to share God's grace.  Anyway, thanks for your insight on the topic here.
peace
Mike n Laura
July 03, 2008
Excellent input Glenn, simply outstanding!!
Jen Rebo
July 07, 2008
I'm with you on this one, Mike, but I've never felt guilty about not being a hard core "evangelist" of the door-to-door or Bible thumper variety.  Not my style, and I certainly wouldn't be very effective at it.  God has been good to allow me to play a part in leading people to Him in a way that is more natural for me.  He knows I'd do it the other way if He told me to, but I'd really, really have to know it was Him leading me!  :-) 
Mike n Laura
July 07, 2008
Amen Jen. I'm sure God expects us all to work within our gifts and personalities. Knowing you, I'm sure Jesus "oozes" (to use Kathy's term) out of every sq. in. of you, a tremendous witness!
Jason Arnold
July 14, 2008


Funny thing, that Great Commission.  When I read Matthew 28, I see the words "Make disciples", not "evangelize" or "preach to".  In fact, the word in the original language isn't even the same.  I realize you quoted the Mark passage and not the Matthew passage, but Mark's word choice isn't what we normally think of either.

In Matthew, the word used is matheteuo, which as a verb means what the english translation says: "to make a disciple; to teach; instruct".  In Mark, the word used is kerruso, which means "to be a herald; to publish or proclaim openly something which has been done".  The Luke account also uses the word kerruso.

This is a bit different from "Hit and Run" evangelism, where we give people information they may or may not want, pressure them into making a decision about it, and then we both go our ways never to see each other again.  This is NOT what the Bible teaches we are to do with people!  You can kerusso what you know, or you can matheteuo what you've been taught (with preference being on the matheteuo), but doing "Hit and run" work is -- as you said -- counter-productive!

It doesn't benefit us, winning us brownie-points with God, and it doesn't benefit the hearer, who now views Christians as pushy and interested only in converts, and it MOST certainly doesn't benefit the Lord, who wants that person to come to Him in repentance and spend eternity together.  So why do it?  Because a lot of churches and organizations are driven by numbers, plain and simple; numbers of converts to them equals God moving, since they don't have anything personal with GOd to be able to tell otherwise.

I've been in these places, I've fellowshiped with these people.  It's not God's work.  It's man's pride.

God wants us to live His Word, proclaim openly His good news, and disciple others in His ways.  If we're faithful to do that, we won't have to worry about numbers; people will naturally be drawn to Him.  And we won't have to worry about false conversions either, because the only people coming will be the people He has drawn, rather than the people we have intellectually arm-wrestled into being there.

Something to think about.  Good word, Mike. :)

In His service, and yours,
jason

Mike n Laura
July 14, 2008
Great points Jason. You've always presented a very informed and refined point of view, which I'm always thankful for! Hmm, not God's work but man's pride. Or man's conscience, which eventually leads to man's pride. Great comments!