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Question of the Week: Why Doesn't God Place More Tribulation in People's Lives If It Drives Them to God?
||July 21, 2008|465 reads
 

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Mike n Laura
July 21, 2008
Another appreciated post, S.L.  Thanks!
GraceAlone
July 21, 2008
Well I gues I may have to differ just a tad. The Holy Spirit was not indwelling in the people mentioned in the old Covenant such as Hosea. He was given at Pentecost. His job today is to convict the unsaved of their sin, and for the saved to comfort and teach all things.

Totally different relationship that people of the old covenant had, compared to those of today.

Let me presume you are a father. I havent looked at your profile. As a father would we wish or provoke difficulties onto our children in order to have a "closer" relationship? I would think that we would not. As a parent we want blessings and prosperity on our children. That spoken, we also know life will befall them.

Our parental training should always be God is good and he is for us. Trust in his will in our lives, Wait on him.

The word says that each day has enough troubles in itself. To me that means life happens. Good and bad. Our faith should be to rejoice in the good and stand firm with him in the bad.

The word also says that it is God's goodness and kindness that brings us to repentence. Thats why the Prodigal son returned. He remembered how his fathers' servants were treated so well. Thats why he returned.

The Veil has been torn. A veil that stood between mankind and the Lord God. When I want to see God's relationship with me, I look at what transpired after Christ arose.
Mike n Laura
July 21, 2008
The father of the prodigal son allowed him to go away and destroy his life. My own father took that approach with my brother. It is not always a good thing for fathers to bail out their children from circumstances they brought on themselves. Though this isn't quite the same thing as the father actually bringing on those difficult circumstances, when our father is the omnipotent creator of the universe, there is always a sense in which he brings on the difficult circumstances that bring us back to him. Just as my brother returned to my father, just like the prodigal son returned as well. God bless!
GraceAlone
July 21, 2008
Sir, do you think that the Prodigal sons father trusted in how he had raised his son? He believed in the principles that he taught and lived by? They had to be evident because it was seen by others how he had treated his servants.

To treat someone well, you must value their dignity, wouldnt you say?
GraceAlone
July 21, 2008
Amen Dan. I dont think he turns his face though based on the scripture of he will never leave us or forsake us.
Shandon Guthrie
July 22, 2008

GraceAlone: I appreciate your insight.  I do want to suggest that in light of your parenting example (and, yes, I am a father of three - whew!) that God is not under the same sort of moral duties that we are.  Our duty to other human beings is that we do our best to avoid harm to others and protect those whom we love.  God is not under any divine commands issued forth from somewhere else - He simply is the locus of aboslute moral values.  In situations where the greater good is maximized by allowing certain evils to befall us (especially if the good entails being drawn to God for the first time) then God permits those things in our lives.  Philosophers call this the "therapeutic" solution to the problem of evil.  So while we wouldn't allow harm to come to any of our children since we have a duty and obligation to protect them, God is not under those same constraints but is merely bound by His moral nature.  Moreover, my discussion did not rest on whether the Holy Spirit was present or not in the lives of Old Testament believers (in fact, I agree with you on that one). But while God did not act internally under the Old Covenant, He certainly acted externally to bring about the same results.

Dan: You suggested, "God does not send tribulation into the lives of His children.  Why does He need to do that if He knows just taking away the experience of His very real presence is enough to bring us back to Him."  But God also knows "There are no circumstances under which people will freely and affirmatively respond to God" is true for some people. In fact, GraceAlone's observation about the Old Testament saints lacking the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is surely a counterexample to this.

Mike n Laura: As usual, thank you for the kind words!

Angela Davis
July 22, 2008
Wow!  Thanks for the post!  (man I miss going to Masters Commision/Bible School) :0)