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Is it possible that the Bible was meant to be easy to understand? Was it written for common everyday people, or for scholars, academia, and trained theologians? Isn’t it possible for you and I to read scripture and plainly see a very clear set of guidelines and Godly principles to live by, as if passed down from a Father to his children?
Is it possible that wise and learned men (and women) who suggest the Bible doesn’t really say what it appears to say could be …. (gulp) wrong?
10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
Maybe the Bible really is simple, after all. Maybe, just maybe, I can depend on it to mean what it says. Yes, there does seem to be a very few passages which must be understood within a narrow context, but this is certainly the exception, not the rule, isn’t it? And even though Jesus’ own disciples struggled to understand some of his teachings, hadn’t the meaning become clear by the time Jesus had proven his resurrection?
What about the passages which seem to invite debate, when multiple interpretations seem to have merit? Shouldn’t we ask who it is that’s actually inviting heated arguments, and why? Didn’t Paul say our struggle is actually against “spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms (Eph. 6:12)”? So who might really be behind those arguments which cause anger and doubt to arise?
So what should I think when someone suggests to me that the Bible doesn’t really say what it obviously appears to say? What should I think when it is suggested to me that the words of scripture are questionable, dubious, unreliable, biased, etc.? Could the Holy Spirit really be the instigator of these suggestions??? I can’t really help it, but my mind keeps going back to Gen. 3:1, when someone said, “Did God really say…?"
Really, I’m just asking. What do you think?
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| This is exactly why I loved doing Bible study with my kids when they were small! I'd read them passages and ask what they thought it said. They picked up on so many insights I'd missed! They did not have years of "tradition" coloring their understanding of the Word -- it was just fresh and new to them and they responded to it eagerly. I learned more studying the Bible with my kids than I'd learned the first thirty years of my life! (And I was raised in church!) |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| Yes, GrammyB!!!!! Kids DO get it! |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| Really? You want my opinion? You are sooooooooo right the Bible is a facinationg book. Simple enough for a child to understand, but deep enough that you could devote your life into learning it. But, yes, the Bible does mean what it says, there are not of little secret meanings, and hidden truths. However, it is a living book and it is a spiritual book. The carnal mind can not understand it, because it is spiritual. That is why we need to the Holy Spirit to teach it to us. Chances are though if you read it for what it says you are gonna be close to the truth! |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Good blog and thought Mike And Laura
As the posts of a Tee Pee all come from a wide angle, but all point up, and get closer the further up they go, so is it with different views of what The Bible is saying. When we keep pointing to Jesus, it'll all come toghether, which is The Fathers intent. |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Oh yes Mike and Laura, it is easy to understand, God is not trying to hide
any thing from us, some people just choose to ignore what God said, so
he blinds them from the truth, and allow them to walk in their own foolishness.
it's called(Darkness). To walk and understand God will for your life, you must
walk in the spirit and not the flesh. You have to understand with your heart and
not your mind. God is alot like life cause He is life. We spend our whole life
looking for what's right in front of us. God bless you all. Thanks right keep them
using their mind. |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| And we all know who that "someone" is. |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| Oh yea, I forgot,....I can tell you stories of that "voice" of your last paragraph! |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Keep in mind that JESUS was an exact example sent from God.
ole by the way....Jesus didn't write any books of the bible. Hum .........???
I luv ya guy.........But the written bible is for those who do not have the CONNECTION to the Holy Spirit within them. It is for those who yet have a veil between themselves and God. It is provided by God for his purpose. Beliefs are NOT the purpose, but only the means of the Purpose. (Tool within the field). There are clear reasons why there are so many translations. The Word of God does not change. But these thoughts are only for the secured in Christ. Until that security is formed in ourselves we will grasp the next best thing.
Enjoy your moments as your journey connects with the purpose of God.
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| July 26, 2008 |
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I think the bible says what it means and means what it says....
I think the bible is living breathing word of God there is no other book like it.
it changes not. it worked back in the first days as it does today... books out date themselves
but not the bible.
This is a good subject because a lot of people don't believe in the bible, they say its out dated, or not all the books are there so it unreliable. Some think you shouldn't take it literal.
and some don't read it because they think it is boring so, see no value into reading it. (not realizing that when you find gold you have to dig for it as any other gem that's of value.)
But they are taking a chance with their everlasting life... because if you don't know the voice of the master then any thing that looks good you will follow... That's how we become deceived... they rather listen to other people and listen to the pastor only, thinking they will be ok and strong, but that is a very dangerous mind set to believe... putting your trust in us human who fail, not that we intend to (well most of us, but there are some out there that take pleasure in decieving.)
but we fall short... we do the best we can, but we are still short of the glory of God.... so it is best to read His Word...
Sorry I got long winded.. lol |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| I do believe the bible means what it says...however, I don't believe that everyone realizes what it is really saying. A lot of people take their own meanings from it, twist the words to say what they want to believe, and those people could say the very same thing about me, that I am misinterpreting it, and taking the words and twisting them to my beliefs. I think the devil takes pleasure in confusing us, and that if we put our focus on God, and God only, He will reveal the true meaning of the words on the pages to us. But it won't happen without studying it, talking it over with others of like faith, or even others who have different views. We have to get into the word, and live the word every day in order to find the true meaning there. |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| The Bible is simple to read to me. This is a great post, Mike! |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Todd, you said "Simple enough for a child to understand, but deep enough that you could devote your life into learning it." Wow, stunning observation bro!
Dr Thomas, I believe I grasp what you are saying. Your comments are valuable! "There are many scholars who study the scriptures far more than all of us put together, however, they are clueless when it comes to the TRUTH." Excellent point. I also appreciate when Jer. 23:29 says on this subject. Thanks for the post!
Marilyn, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Long winded? Not at all! Seems to me you read the bible much the way I do! |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Deb, you said people "twist the words to say what they want to believe." This is basically inverting our values and God's. Subjective interpretations can be very dangerous!
Cindy, I have thought the bible simple, but when folks present convincing arguments as to why the obvious reading is wrong, I begin to doubt! Is this good? |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Is the Bible a "protected" manuscript by God?
Or does God allow it to manipulated by the will of man. ?
Does history answer these questions for us?
One must first understand these questions and answer them truthfully before they can hear from it's pages. If we defend the manipulation of man, do we not follow men?
Hope this helps......Jesus Christ is Lord of the field. The purpose of God is for all mankind's better developement.
Kw. |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| Mike, it amazes me how many of the modern Church's favorite debates have both sides writing off large portions of scripture. What's wrong with mystery -- a concept that Paul was fine with -- to express that some things are known only to God? |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Pastor Dan, hey man, I am fine with mystery! Some of the complex issues remain mysterious to me!
ps....Todd, you BET I wanted your opinion! It is respected!
Wow Tom, excellent illustration w/the TP!
Melanie, I too am discovering that the bible is getting easier to understand the more I read it. I believe this is b/c I am getting to know the author, so there are fewer surprises, and the pieces are fitting together for me now. (Yeah yeah, God is not literally the author, but when an inspired writer says it is "God breathed", I take that to mean God was indeed involved directly in its writing, somehow.)
Lee and Tom, regarding that "voice". When we come away with less respect and awe for God's words, how can those thoughts be inspired by God? He did say a house divided against itself cannot stand, didn't he?
Kw, I must admit, I've never heard anyone suggest before that "the written bible is for those who do not have the CONNECTION to the Holy Spirit within them." This did not seem to be point of view of the writers of the inspired texts, unless I misunderstood you. But hey, I am not claiming to be all knowing. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Carrie, it is good to think this stuff through! Glad we can ponder together! |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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thank you very thought provoking blog. I know for myself I have sought out several differant types of bibles so I would have a better understanding. I am also involved in a women's bible study group and I have found that the life appliacation study bible has helped me understand it in a much simpler level.
Special Blessings |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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It seems to me that we tend to make the Word of God more difficult to understand by not taking it at face value. God says what He means and means what He says. Simple to me. Seeking to have a full understanding of how to apply the Word to our lives is where we follow the Holy Spirit.
As always enjoy your posts, Mike.
~Robin |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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"understanding of how to apply the Word to our lives is where we follow the Holy Spirit." amen - thanks Robin! Tina, I'm sure you find yourself blessed by your efforts to simplify, rather than complicate, God's words. Thanks, and blessings sister! |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Hey Mike, thanks for the note and I will check my settings. As for this posting, may I agree with caveat? 1:7 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction. So I think that it is fair to say that one need first allow Christ into his or her heart, and then the Holy Spirit allows you to see the simplicity of His Word. I believe that many push the Holy Spirit out, which is why children are so good at understanding what is being said. They do not yet have that pride of worldly life that so many of us succumb to. I can tell you from experience, when I read Scripture as an unsaved adult, I was convinced I was not going to heaven, and could not understand much of what was written. HOWEVER, by the Grace of God, I am forgiven and a new man! The Word quenches my thirst daily! I have understanding I could never have imagined. I even quote Scripture I did not study. This is the act of God on us. Therefore, may I put forth that indeed, accepting Christ must come before one can understand the Bible, and as you have pointed out, a red flag regarding those who say Scripture says anything otherwise? Dr. Thomas (great name) is also correct in saying that Scripture can give us layers to work through, building upon our knowledge. Much like it was when I studied Shakespeare; the plays were famous in their own time because of the ability to speak to different types of people all at once. How much more so can God do? Much brotherly love to all herein, Shalom, BrTom |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| Hey, thanks for the comment, BrTom! And YES, your caveat is welcomed and accepted! That is an exceptional point you brought out in Dr Thomas' post -- regarding the layering of truth and scripture's timeless ability to speak to many different people within their unique perspectives. |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Oh yeah! Agreed! AND what BT said
Now I gotta read the rest of the comments |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Good Stuff!
KW- Christ Himself quoted scriptures- but then He is the Word, therefore he knew all scripture.
Our salvation is not based on "if" we read it.
And our knowledge is not limited to the Word only but the Spirit also
In the same way it cannot be limited to the Spirit only because we would be neglecting what Jesus Himself calls the Living Word. |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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The Bible used to be really simple. Genesis 1 and 2. Man sinned and things got complicated. And it seems the more GOD tried to show man how to live the more complicated man made it. Then Jesus came and made it really simple again. But in the past couple thousand years man made it more complicated than ever.
The Bible is only as complicated as we make it. Often times we try to figure out what it really means when it really means what it says. Or we are looking for some deep thought or new insight. Or perhaps we are seeking answers when we already have the answer but don't really like it.
Some things I have learned over the years.....
There is no substitute for GOD's Word. Devotionals, books, seminars, sermons, blogs are all great "accessories" to the Word but terrible substitutes. Potato chips and soda and ice cream are nice treats but are no substitute for healthy eating. It is wonderful to be blessed by another's words but if all I learn is from another's reading and study and not my own it is like letting someone else chew my food for me and then giving it to me to swallow.
The more I read the simpler it becomes. The stories and events become familiar. The people become "real" to me. They had their great moments and no-so-great moments. Struggles, hardships, joys, triumphs and just plain dumb stuff. A lot like my life. It gets personal. I can relate. I understand. I don't understand everything I read. I don't know how cars run but I can drive. I may not understand everything I read in the Bible but I can live what I do understand.
I am convinced that there is nothing in my life that the Word does not speak to. Nothing. There is no situation, circumstance, or need in my life that GOD's Word cannot provide an answer to. I've stood with the Red Sea before me and an angry Egytian army behind me. I"ve been in the midst of the storm and the boat barely staying afloat. I've sat in green pastures and at a table with my enemies. I've heard the curses of Goliath yet trusted GOD for victory. I've been in the belly of a big fish. Hated it. But learned. Beatitudes are what my attitudes will be when I realize how truly blessed I really am because GOD is using life to bring these things out of me.
I don't get "blessed" every time I read. If it was about me that would probably be discouraging. But it ain't. I truly believe that GOD's Word does not return void. In other words, every time I read scripture "seed" is planted. Perhaps something I read today during a "dry read" will bear fruit in the future. For me or someone else. (Just thought...farmers don't plant in the rain)
The more in love I am with someone or something the more time I devote to that person or thing. And if I get to do something with someone I love that is great. This summer me and an eight year old and a five year old have been to the pool pretty much everyday. Their fear of water was pretty bad. Today they both can swim and are not afraid. They changed. And so do we when we love time with GOD and with His Word.
The Bible is a love letter. Especially for me. Personal. It tells His heart. I am amazed at how great GOD's love is, how great His patience, how understanding He is. And there are some things in the Bible that are just for me. Certain scriptures GOD gave me. Don't feel left out, you have yours, too. If you haven't found yours keep reading. I promise you they are there.
Keep it simple.
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If I enjoy reading the Bible I will spend more time reading the Bible. If I make it a "spiritual obligation" instead of "snuggle time" with the Lord it will be that.
You know Mike, I pretty much missed most the "drama" of pre-christianity. I went from atheist to believer when I took up some stupid preacher's challenge to read the book of Matthew. It was just some boring book until I began to read Matthew 5 and GOD came mightily. I didn't even know how to "get saved" back then but GOD made Himself real and saved me. And He has been making Himself real thru the Word for many years now. For me, He had to make it simple.
.....peace..... |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Mike, great blog (as usual) and wonderful discussion.
In my mind, the Word as handed down was perfect and without error (which is more than I can say about my typing skills...which would be downright unreadable without spellchecking...LOL).
Man did (and still does) his best to twist the meanings to fit their beliefs. Happened back when Jesus taught - the different sects that were present when would preach show us that.
The analogy to an onion with all of it's layers that we have to "peel back the cover" is an apt metaphor for our spiritual walk. As a child I looked at the world as a child, as I have grown to be a man I many times forget that simple wonder that entire world presented each day in my youth. The delicate scent of flowers and wet asphalt on a warm spring day - the wind whispering great adventures to me as I rode my bike down the street.
Today, I have to make a point to be aware of different scents around me and the wind only gets my attention when there's a storm front moving through. If only we didn't lose the ability to see through the eyes (and ears and nose) of a child.
Understanding the simplicity of the Word in Scripture and how we needed to apply it to our walk would be much... simpler. |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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| All good thoughts, and who am I to say, but I really feel God reveals His word to us as we can comprehend it. If we study His word prayerfully it is revealed as we can handle it. Believe me, I've had scripture given to me when I had no idea where to look, or basically, no understanding of what I was seeking! He led me to the right passages, but more importantly made them crystal clear to me. |
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| July 26, 2008 |
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Mike, I understand exactly where you're coming from on that. I, too, have struggled with that. But, I do believe the Bible is black and white. It's very straight forward and I finally decided that when I feel influenced toward what someone says it says.....I go to the scripture and I pray before reading, asking God to show me. Let the Spirit be the guide.
You mentioned someone having "convincing arguments"....that is a red flag warning to me. Maybe not to someone else, but it is to me. I'm not saying that I'm not teachable, just very leary of "convincing arguments" :) |
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| July 27, 2008 |
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Great Blog Mike....And YES the bible is simple...so simple a child could understand it..That's why I don't get WHY people have problems following the examples that are recorded in His Word....Look at JESUS....He's the author and finisher of our faith....RIGHT....We are Christians and are supposed to be Christ Like...RIGHT....He was THE WORD...and walked the WORD...and talked the WORD...Right....Well WHY is it that Christians can't follow His examples....
Jesus went into the synagogue, as was His custom to do on THE SABBATH DAY...Jesus observed the Feast Days...Jesus observed the Royal Commandments....Jesus preached about *The Kingdom of God* on earth...Jesus only spoke and did what was told to Him by The Father...and it's all recorded in the Word of God.....So how has this generation gotten so off track when the Word of God is soooo simple that a child could understand it.....Food for thought ;o) and it's not because Jesus was a JEW....Judah is but one of the 12 tribes of Israel...and He (Jesus) came to preach to the Lost sheep of the House of Israel...Even His disciples followed His footsteps...and all of them were not Jews....but they were of the House of Israel....Again....Food for thought ;o)
Simple...so simple...A child could understand |
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| July 27, 2008 |
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Thanks Margie! Jesus, the living Word, and a great example for us, both in life and in death. Great points! Shirley, I agree that the Lord "reveals His word to us as we can comprehend it." But often, the meaning is obvious to any who read, even w/o special revelation. For example, the Bible says "Honor your father and your mother." How hard is that to understand? Yet people (me too sometimes) find reasons to reject even the clear language, or put special qualifications on it in order to justify themselves. |
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| July 27, 2008 |
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LV, thanks! And I love the analogy of the onion. This is why I (we) continually read the word, rather than put it on a shelf after we've read through it, as we would a fictional book. Thanks Cindy. And I much prefer confirming arguments, don't you? (Confirming things the Lord has told us, rather than calling them into question.) Gordon (apureheart), wish I had time to give your comment the response it deserves. Why aren't you a pastor? (Or maybe you are?) I've singled out the one sentence you wrote that most resonates w/me right now: "The more I read the simpler it becomes." This b/c the more I read, the better I get to know my Savior personally. It is easier to understand someone you know. Thanks Ruth! |
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| July 27, 2008 |
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| Mike, Amen!!!!!!! |
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| July 27, 2008 |
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1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 1 Corinthians 1:20 ASV 4:1 I charge `thee' in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 4:2 preach the word; be urgent in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables. 4:5 But be thou sober in all things, suffer hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil thy ministry. 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he who is not of God heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 2:15 Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth.
4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Mike, I would like to give you even more encouragement from the scriptures, but there are just too many to mention that build a solid biblical worldview on this subject! I know you will rightly divide truth from error by your own study with the Holy Spirit as your teacher: The authour is always the best person to consult, right???
Thank you for posing the Q to us!
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| July 27, 2008 |
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Thanks Tonya! Great scriptures there! Didn't I quote this one in another comment somewhere - "hath not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" That is a great one for this topic. Often we are tempted to replace God's wisdom (scripture) with the "wisdom of the world" b/c it sounds better, seems to make more sense, offends less people and makes fewer enemies, etc.
I agree, the author is the best person to consult! :-) |
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| July 28, 2008 |
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Wonderful post Mike!
I loved reading it and all the comments. Great insight!
I also have used a few different bibles to help me understand ..
although as I read and reread it speaks to me!
The bible is the truth & the way!! I learn more & more as I listen
to my pastor ( bible church) and in sunday school and bible study.
I agree with what some said here, people twist what they want to see
in the bible...hmmmm so many churchs out there who dont preach the word...
sad....so many people lost die to the fact they refuse to pick up the
instructions which are in black & white and simple..if you just take the time
to read it!
Again thanks Mike have a Blessed day God Bless u and ur family! |
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| July 28, 2008 |
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Paul, I deeply appreciate your thoughts. And I echo your closing sentence! Donna, thanks so much!! It is sad that so many choose to neglect God's words to us, or worse, reshape and adapt them to their own lifestyle of choice. |
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| July 28, 2008 |
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Amen and Amen! God is not trying to trick us or make loving Him difficult. He speaks very clearly and says what He means. Yes, Jonah was swallowed up by a big fish. Yes, the Red Sea really did part and Moses led God's people through on dry ground. YES! Jesus really did die a horrible, sacrificial death on the cross and rose again in three days, thereby conquering death, sin, and the grave. Mike n Laura, you are so smart! Thank you for calling attention to something so evident. I giggle when I think how many times I have studied commentary after commentary trying to find out what God is saying in a passage rather than just asking the Holy Spirit to speak through the Love Letter God has written down for us. Before our pastor speaks each Sunday morning, we hold up our Bibles and proclaim, "God said it. I believe it. That settles it." |
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| July 28, 2008 |
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Hi Mike;
A lot of good points. For myself when the Bible apears to get really complex it's because I'm trying to interpret it to rationalize something.
8:29 because those whom he knew in advance, he also determined in advance would be conformed to the pattern of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers;
Blessings,
David
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| July 28, 2008 |
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Pastor Tim,
I am on-board with your comments to Mike 100%: I too am familiar with the term "straw-man" in theology today. I believe the subject of hermenuetics will be an ever increasing interest to those who diligently seek the Truth.
Thank you for the links. May God bless your ministry, brother. |
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| July 28, 2008 |
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| My kids get many things I dont. Yes, I think the Lord madethe bible simple, and I think we have the ability to confuse, misunderstand, and misinturpret the simplest points sometimes. Good blog Mike!-Tam |
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| July 28, 2008 |
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| I HAVE always BELIEVED that if you pray before reading scripture and ask God to open your eyes and heart as you read you WILL get the meaning God is trying to convey |
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| July 31, 2008 |
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| It means a lot to me that God would write His word in a language that the entire world could understand. Even more than 2000 years after it was written. It amazes me how much He loves us ad what He can bring us through. |
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| August 02, 2008 |
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| The Bible is the most important book that a man or woman or child could read. The Bible is without contradiction. The Bible gives the truth from Genesis to Revelation without error. Yes, the Bible is simple. Without it we would not know exactly how the world got here. We would not know about creation. We would not know about God's love for people. We would not know about His leading. We would not know about His salvation. There are so many things that can be said. The Bible is my roadmap through life; The Handbook that tells how I am supposed to operate. I love the Bible because it is God's inspired Word. |
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| August 02, 2008 |
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| WayneB, that's a high view of scripture, one which I am afraid many contemporaries have lost. You are no doubt closer to the truth than most people today! |
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| August 07, 2008 |
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Thanks so much for sharing this thought-provoking question. I have enjoyed reading the comments and the challenge that it places back at our feet. We have to cultivate a relationship with the Father for ourselves and not rely on others to do it for us. God has given us His precious Holy Spirit to lead us and guide us, yet so many people aren't satisified with the TRUTH of God's Word and use of it in our daily lives that they seek out a more comfortable path and often want to complicate the utter simplicity of the Word in order to seem more "spiritual" than others...in other words, "thinking more highly of themselves than they ought"...anyway, before I get going myself I will stop there and again thanks for the blog which is encouraging and a blessing. May His peace and blessings be upon you according to His will for your lives.
James A. |
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| August 08, 2008 |
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| I agree that the message of the bible is clear...and simple. Love God with all our hearts and love others. I think that confusion and divisiveness are tools of the devil. I also think that the devil uses certain tactics to keep people thinking that Christianity is complicated. Satan also makes us think that we always have to be how we are now and that God is incapable of changing us.....how wonderful are the truths of Gods word. If we confess our sins...HE WILL FORGIVE....If we ask, HE WILL GIVE....God loves us....while we were sinners Christ died for us....how much more can you say than that? |
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