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According to what we have in scripture.....it doesn't seem to be grounds for divorce. But is there anything else in any other scripture that would allow for divorce after severe abuse has been suffered by a woman?
To me it seems that in such instances it should be warranted. Just simply from what I know the heart of God to be, but the scriptures seems silent as far as I can tell. Maybe I've missed something though. Any opinions?
Matt 5:31-32 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. (KJV)
By the way - don't worry about me, my wife isn't beating me or anything (although she'd probably like to sometimes).....just a question I was pondering. |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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Aaron, Here's one verse that comes to mind: 7:10 And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband: 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife. This says to me that although we shouldn't seek to leave, there are sometimes circumstances in which we may need to decide to leave. But if and when we do we ARE NOT free to remarry. I think a lot of people overlooked this part, since legally they are free to marry again. |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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That's a good point, Sue. I guess it's pretty important to know the person you are going to marry incredibly well. And to be sure you can trust that person. Because it could be a one time shot. I don't think though that people that have remarried after a divorce not involving adultery are living in sin. If they did so in ignorance of this scripture. I've heard some say that. I think God will honor their marriage, and forgive the sin. |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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If you will read all of Chapter 7 you get this verse as well: 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace. Paul makes a point that the divine standard cannot be placed on the unregenerate. Here, he tell us that if the unbeliever leaves (files for divorce), the believer is to let them leave. I know this doesn't address the physical abuse aspect, but I cannot help but notice the end of this verse. God has called us to peace within the context of marriage. We are to suffer for His name's sake, but not because a man doesn't know his place. Nowhere in Chapter 7 does Paul deviate from what our Lord said, and Sue has pointed out above. We are to be reconciled to our husband or wife or remain single: 7:10 And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband: 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife. 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. The abuse aspect puzzles me. I know that God would not ordain such behavior. Especially if children were made to be witnesses of such acts. In my opinion, I would tell this woman or this man to seperate from the abusive spouse. I would like to hear what Pastor Dan thinks about this. He and I discussed marriage on an older blog, I will try to send him a message with this linked. Carmen, my wife, and I don't talk about beating each other or divorce around our house. Now, there has been occassion where we have talked about murder....:)LOL. Good post Aaron. |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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| Most definately Aaron. I agree with you 100%. I think the verse I sited is talking to those who are considering leaving. Not to those who have left and then remarried and then stumble across the verse :) |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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I was just touching on some of this in Mike and Laura's post, but I didn't go too much into this aspect because I didn't want to stir a touchy spot for some. But since you've already begun, adding my $.02 probably won't hurt...lol Paul makes clear that the Lord commands that the [believing] wife not depart her husband. In a case where physical abuse is involved, I think many women forget about that "middle ground" option available to them legally called legal separation. I think if a woman (or man -- it happens) is being physically abused, legal separation provides the safety of not being together without "going all the way" and getting a divorce. Honestly, in all but the worst of cases, I think this is the option that most closely matches what was being mentioned in the "if they depart, let them not remarry" section of his discourse, since while separated you're not eligible for remarriage since you're still married. I think people need to approach this issue, like any other, with a good dose of common sense. As Christians, I think it is extremely important that we do what we can to limit ourselves in some areas so that we don't make bigger mistakes than we need to. Pastors who counsel women having lots of see-through glass in their office (or wide open doors), a person with a spending problem who wants to start saving money so they put money in accounts they cannot touch for a set period of time, these are examples of people taking heed to themselves and the proclivities and temptations they might encounter, and being proactive in how they approach the situations so they don't make big mistakes. Legal separation falls into this category, as it prevents you from going on to another relationship (which, for the one who leaves without proper cause, IS adultery, as is stated in multiple passages) while also not getting the divorce. For anyone who has doubts about abusive husbands and the radical things that God can do in their lives, or about women who model the 1st Peter 3 wife to their abusive husbands that they would be won over to Christ, you need to pick up a resource on Raul and Sharon Ries. You can read (and watch a video) of Raul's testimony at the Calvary Chapel Golden Springs website (you can click [here] for the Church website, or [here] to go directly to his testimony). God can -- and DOES -- move mightily still today, and I think we would do well sometimes to not let our emotions drive us farther than the Lord wants us to go in situations. -jason |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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Hi Aaron, I grew up in an abusive environment and my thought on this is that God has instructed the husbands to love their wives as Jesus loved the church ( eph 5:25) and to honor them. I also realized that he explained how a husband is suppose to love their wives...the right way on 1 Corin13. Once abuse is involved in any way either physical, emotional, verbal satan is operating not love and not God. I believe the victim has a right to remove themselves from that situation until the other person gets help from God; especially when there are children involved. Growing up, I used to wonder why my mother never left my father; her reason was because she did not want a divorce and disappoint God...she was scared. So, we endured the abuse for many years from our father. Now, would he have gotten the revalation that what he was doing to her and to us was wrong had she left him? we dont know. However, I do know what they had was not a marriage and God did not dwell in that place. I am not an advacate for divorce because I belive there is nothing too big for my God. However, I also belive that before God can even get involve we must confess and realize our mistake according to 1John 1:9 and I know until that times comes seperation might be in order for the safety of the victims. |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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I agree with A Peculiar, abuse is not of God. As for the middle ground of legal separation being a safe ground, I have known of too many women who have taken that approach and been hurt, some even killed by their husbands. Abuse of any kind is not of God. |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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| I would say that a husband who commits abuse has broken HIS marriage vows and thereby nullified any responsibilty the wife may have to him. |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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Mystery - so is the Bible - I read somewhere in the Bible that if the man does not seek the consent of the father before becoming married then -it's not a marriage. My thoughts are this - I married a man I was not in love with due to fear and lonliness - my vows were a lie. I believe I have been living in sin all these years to a man who was not ordained by God to be my husband and that is why I have paid a heavy price for many years due to that sin - meaning emotional and physical abuse. In my heart God is telling me that I have been forgiven. I had everything in place such as the attorney's name, when my husband finally told me to contact them and proceed. I may have been prepared but I did not make the final decision to file. He tells me he is born again and he was baptised, but he will not come to church with me or go to our old church either despite the living testimony of God's love he sees in me everyday - my transformation acutally angered him and my family so much that they think there is something wrong with me about how much I love God, going out a meeting people, taking my daughter out and playing, loosing weight, stopped drinking and my back is finally healing up! I firmly believe that I will marry again but this time it will be with the man God has choosen for me and I will not even meet him or know his name until after my divorce. I am so sure of it that I don't date anyone or even attempt to look elsewhere other than where God leads. I don't believe that God would condem someone, who for example, had been married and divorced 3 times or more once they come to understand God's plan for them - I believe that it is the begining of life for them. The arguments my spouse kept putting up are being broken down by God - he is going to support me until I get back on my feet and he is going to take care of our child - as he should - and giving me full custody with supervised visitation until he can get conseling - thanks to God - the divorce will be quick and as inexpensive as it can be without torture to our daughter. I want to maintain a friendship with him for our daughter and to help him find God too - would it be a sin not care - yes - it's my job to help him. My life is my testimony that all things are possible through God - my pastor said today that my harvest is coming soon - even this week - so keeps your eyes open my dear ones and if you believe - reap what you have sown! |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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Hi Everyone, I may be swimming against the tide here, but I'm going to crawl way out on a limb. I believe there is ample Scripture that would give rise to the occassion that an abusive marriage should be terminated. 3:1 If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. 3:2 Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. 3:3 For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 3:4 When Christ, `who is' our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory. 3:5 Put to death therefore your members which are upon the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry; 3:6 for which things' sake cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience: 3:7 wherein ye also once walked, when ye lived in these things; 3:8 but now do ye also put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, railing, shameful speaking out of your mouth: 3:9 lie not one to another; seeing that ye have put off the old man with his doings, 3:10 and have put on the new man, that is being renewed unto knowledge after the image of him that created him: 3:11 where there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, bondman, freeman; but Christ is all, and in all. 3:12 Put on therefore, as God's elect, holy and beloved, a heart of compassion, kindness, lowliness, meekness, longsuffering; 3:13 forbearing one another, and forgiving each other, if any man have a complaint against any; even as the Lord forgave you, so also do ye: 3:14 and above all these things `put on' love, which is the bond of perfectness. 3:15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to the which also ye were called in one body; and be ye thankful. 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; in all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms `and' hymns `and' spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts unto God. 3:17 And whatsoever ye do, in word or in deed, `do' all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him. 3:18 Wives, be in subjection to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. 3:20 Children, obey your parents in all things, for this is well-pleasing in the Lord. 3:21 Fathers, provoke not your children, that they be not discouraged. So it seems to me that if a man is bitter and abusive toward his wife, then as a Pastor, I would have to question his commitment to Christ. This entire passage is very clear: our relationship with God in Christ should be made clear in our family relations on earth. 5:17 Wherefore be ye not foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 5:18 And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit; 5:19 speaking one to another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord; 5:20 giving thanks always for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father; 5:21 subjecting yourselves one to another in the fear of Christ. 5:22 Wives, `be in subjection' unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ also is the head of the church, `being' himself the saviour of the body. 5:24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so `let' the wives also `be' to their husbands in everything. 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it; 5:26 that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, 5:27 that he might present the church to himself a glorious `church', not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 5:28 Even so ought husbands also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his own wife loveth himself: 5:29 for no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as Christ also the church; 5:30 because we are members of his body. 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh. 5:32 This mystery is great: but I speak in regard of Christ and of the church. 5:33 Nevertheless do ye also severally love each one his own wife even as himself; and `let' the wife `see' that she fear her husband. Again, we are discussing the husband, not the wife. Once more we see the burden of men to reveal the glory of the Father toward humanity (or Jesus and His Bride) by the relationship between a man and his wife. If a man continually abuses his wife, then there is no love in his heart, or he suffers from very deep psychological illness and needs to seek professional help. Barring the possiblity that he's mentally unstable, I see every reason why a woman should divorce her husband if he is continually abusive. |
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| April 29, 2007 |
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SSTTR, I am going to pray for you. I can not imagine how hard this time is for you. I pray God gives you peace and wisdom to deal with everything you have before you. I imagine you did not plan for a divorce when you said "I do", so you are going to face a lot of confusion and pain (which I bet you already experienced). I want you to know that you are not alone. keep a good support system close to you (family, pastors, church family, friends, etc) and keep yourself closer to God for yourself and your kid. This is coming from a pastor's wife that cares! Lourdes |
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| May 03, 2007 |
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Jonathan T and Lourdes - you both are a miracle to me tonight - there was a reason I came back to visit this blog and it was to read your words that I desperately needed to hear. I don't feel alone tonight anymore... I thank God for you so much and I love you dearly. |
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| December 09, 2008 |
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Does the bible permit putting away a spouse for abuse? By WmTipton
Actually, it does seem to give grounds for 'putting away' for things like abuse, ect. This is the passage in question;
Quote: But to the rest I say, not the Lord, if any brother has an unbelieving wife, and she consents to live with him, let him not leave her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified by the husband; else, then, your children are unclean, but now they are holy. But if the unbelieving one separates, let them be separated; the brother or the sister is not in bondage in such matters; but God has called us in peace. For what do you know, wife, whether you will save the husband? Or what do you know, husband, whether you will save the wife? (1Co 7:12-16)
The passage and the context of it was an answer to the Corinthians (See 7:1 "But concerning what you wrote to me") about being able to leave if they were saved and the spouse was not. They felt that they were 'defiled' in being with this person in the marriage based on other teachings about 'touching no unclean thing' and related passages. This is why Paul tells them that their children are clean and that their spouse is 'sanctified' (not in a SAVED sense, but just to ease their minds so they didnt divorce) by the saved spouse (1Co 7:14). These believers were assuming they could just up and leave their existing marriages if they became saved and their spouse had not. Paul is only showing there that they are not to leave if the unsaved spouse is happy to remain with them in the marriage...dont just divorce them because they are unsaved...we may be instrumental in bringing them to salvation. But Pauls statement IS conditional. If the unbelieving spouse is abusive we DO have right to leave that marriage...ie 'divorce'...which is what LEAVING the marriage is...we would be in the very same 'agamos' state that the woman in 1 Cor 7:10-11 would be...UNmarried.
Quote: But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. (1Co 7:12-13)
The wording there clearly shows that if she is 'pleased' then let him not put her away. This statement is conditional.
Quote: "if" G1487 ei i a primary particle of conditionality; if, whether, that, etc.:--forasmuch as, if, that, (al-)though, whether. Often used in connection or composition with other particles, especially as in G1489, G1490, G1499, G1508, G1509, G1512, G1513, G1536, G1537. See also G1437. It doesnt not simply state 'let him not put her away' but adds the condition of being 'pleased' to his not putting her away. If this were an absolute statement, that he not put her away then it should be stated as such, but its not. A condition is very apparent in the actual text.
So what does this word 'pleased' mean?
Quote: G4909 1) to be pleased together with, to approve together (with others) 2) to be pleased at the same time with, consent, agree to 2a) to applaud the word clearly shows a mutually pleasant experience. She is pleased along with him...at the same time....'together'. If one spouse is being beaten, they would hardly be "pleased together with" the person who is beating them....so why does Paul show the condition of mutual pleasing if there is no condition at all ?
In taking the actual greek into account, we clearly see a condition added to Pauls stating that this man not 'put away' his wife. The condition being that the marriage is pleasing mutually... the greek does not show a one sided thing at all. Paul then shows the same thing in reverse for the believing wife in this situation....
Quote: And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. (1Co 7:13) "leave him" there is the same as 'put away' in the previous verse.
Quote: G863 aphie?mi Thayer Definition: 1) to send away 1a) to bid going away or depart 1a1) of a husband divorcing his wife 1b) to send forth, yield up, to expire 1c) to let go, let alone, let be 1c1) to disregard 1c2) to leave, not to discuss now, (a topic) 1c2a) of teachers, writers and speakers 1c3) to omit, neglect 1d) to let go, give up a debt, forgive, to remit 1e) to give up, keep no longer 2) to permit, allow, not to hinder, to give up a thing to a person 3) to leave, go way from one 3a) in order to go to another place 3b) to depart from any one 3c) to depart from one and leave him to himself so that all mutual claims are abandoned 3d) to desert wrongfully 3e) to go away leaving something behind 3f) to leave one by not taking him as a companion 3g) to leave on dying, leave behind one 3h) to leave so that what is left may remain, leave remaining 3i) abandon, leave destitute The context of 'divorce' as a whole in scripture is either the casting out of a spouse or the leaving of a marriage with the intent of 'putting away' that marriage (altho there are some who try to pretend the two are not the same intent)
For a bit of proof that this is consistently the case, we jump back up to verse 7:11 and see that this woman who has departed her marriage is deemed 'unmarried' by Paul....Agamos/single/unwed/ARAMOC
Quote: G22 agamos Thayer Definition: 1) unmarried, unwedded, single
I think the greek makes it very clear that in a situation where a believer is married to an unbeliever who is abusing them that the condition above that Paul presents does give 'grounds' for divorcing the spouse (leaving the marriage)
Pauls condition of if it is "pleased" (meaning mutually) is the 'grounds' for putting away this spouse if they are abusing and its not pleasing. The "leaving" of the believer would cause them to be "agamos" or unwed/single/unmarried according to Paul thus showing that they are quite divorced when they left with that intent.
In a case of two believers tho, there is a call to reconcile or remain unmarried. Of course, some folks move on because they no longer wish to be abused and it is very easily argued that if a man can continually and repeatedly batter his wife then he is not showing evidence of actually being a believer/follower of Christ based on the fact that CHRIST shows that we will know men by their fruits.
Those in Corinth were putting away a spouse when they became born again, even if the marriage was otherwise fine. Paul tells them in this passage to not end their marriages simply because they found Christ and their spouse had not. If the marriage is ok otherwise, if it is ‘pleased’...then do not put away this spouse but stay with them because the believers influence might be used to bring salvation to this person.
The conditional statement made by Paul clearly shows that there might be a situation whereby the believer may put away this spouse. If the marriage is abusive it is hardly mutually ‘pleased’ and as such the condition is not being met as presented by Paul.
Regardless of what some teach, there ARE conditions whereby divorce is permissible and as such is not ‘sin’ for the one carrying the divorce out. Just as we know the Lord God did not ‘sin’ against an adulterous Israel when He gave her a bill of divorce. |
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