Then I suppose I am a fruit. Read a bit further in that verse Lara: "You will know them by their fruit. Grapes aren't gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles, are they?"
In other words judge a gay person through what fruit he bears, not the gender of whom he loves.

LOVE The Sinner.......& ......Hate The Sin.....Absolutely.

Hating Sin does not mean Throw Stones !

So Then How do You Love a Sinner.....Well You Do Welcome, & Invite, & no where in a Transforming process do You ever throw stones.

But The Kingdom of Heaven is to..........REPENT (( return to the Higher position ))
for The Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand.

Now.....welcoming or inviting [ALL manner of sinners to Church] is Like .....A Gym hanging a Banner stating that All Fat

People are welcome here.

But You WILL NEVER see working for a GYM the 600 pound Personal Trainer.
The 600 pound person is improper CONDITION to Train Others into proper Shape.

Likewise You should not Ordain Gays as Pastors.....Gays should be Loved, welcomed,
but Being Transformed, & Conformed to The Word of God, in The Renewing of The Mind
By a Pastor in Proper Condition [Who is Conformed to The WORD].

Kentucky_L......A-men That is pretty Plain & Simple........They just do not want to give into
GOD's Will........They WANT to give into the LUSTS of the Flesh.....Their Free Will Their right to
choose.
They do not WANT to cling to any of the Bible verse You posted. To them They Spin their Teachings That The Word of God [is not] ASOLUTELY True & Correct.
It....[ The Word ] does not mean as it clearly READS or as it is CLEARLY understandable.

Here are some FACTS on Gay Marriage....Studies done in The Netherlands & other Countries.
Gay Marriages....Last 1.5 Years......also during that 1.5 year period those couples have an
average of ((( 8 ))) other Sexual partners. Adultery ...[watered down relationship]

So as You can see in their Behavior displayed they Are Not showing to much respect to
what most would think of a Marriage relationship by having so many other sexual partners.
Not a committed & Bonded relationship, not meant to be long lasting. Not taken Serious as to
be long term.

Proof !!....That they do not want to be instructed by The Word, or that they WANT a REAL
committed Relationship at all.

These are People who just ...WANT..to Persue their LUSTS & not persue the Will of God.

They WANT The CHURCH to ..CONFORM to The Ways of the World & not the ways of GOD.

The WANT the Church to be like Them & Not to be like the CHURCH as discribed in
THE ((( BIBLE )))
Denial of The Bible as the Word & that The Bible is not literally accurate, & does not mean what
it says or as it READS Clearly !
So if HE [JESUS] The ((((( WORD ))))) made Flesh is Not.. LORD of ALL....then....HE...is not
LORD at ALL !

Interesting conversation. I always find it interesting how some folks take clear language from the bible and twist it into a convoluted, confusing mess. Most of the time the message of scripture is clear and simple! IF homosexuality were not contrary to the Creator's design and intent, why must it take a scholar, or person of extensive education, knowledge, and great intelligence, to "discover" this "hidden" truth?

Rationalization and justification of sin can be hard work!

Dear Jerry and everyone,

No problem...you just have to learn what God has already done about our sin in Christ; not just forgiving it but also immersing us into His death so that we might be free from sin.  The flesh will never tell us that we don't have to obey the sin that dwells in our members.  [See my profile for some great books!]

It isn't confined to any particular expression of sin such as homosexuality or fornication.  Fornication is a Christian socially acceptable sin and therefore we don't see a bunch of blogs about how Christians should not be living together before they get married.  Homosexuality is an easy target, as is abortion, because most Christians use these so that they can feel good about their own socially acceptable sins like gossip or outbursts of anger, failure to submit to authority [all authority is from God...including Obama], disobedience to parents, etc.

First it isn't about being straight or gay, it's about getting to the place where we see that we no longer have to be what the flesh says we have to be; we no longer have to present our members to sin to obey the lusts of our bodies [Romans 6].  [Check my blog books out!]

The other problem I see here is that we routinely ignore the admonishment of Paul:

We judge those who are outside when we should be judging those who are inside.  At the same time we fail to have compassion on folks like Jerry who do not want to continue to be dominated by their flesh--no matter whether it is masturbation or gossip.  Oh how we grant grace to each others failures if they are our own!  And how judgemental and superior we feel if their are not our own.  In my opinion, and I sincerely believe I have the mind of the Lord on this, as long as a person confesses their sin as being sin and judges themselves then they will be forgiven and cleansed by God, and will not be judged, and should be forgiven by us.  But if person will not acknowledge their sin as sin then they are to be rejected until they change their mind.  Remember the folks in Corinthians who were judged in the flesh and those whom Paul turned over to Satan that they might be judged in the flesh...and saved in the Day of the Lord.

We need to be careful that we do not judge people on the outside because such were we!  Don't you remember when you were given to a depraved mind and to the passions of your flesh?  I do!  And I know of my own sexual failures after I came to the Lord too.  I remember being in Romans 7 for years!  But thank God there is a Roman 8 and it is true.  Don't despair Jerry!  You are not a homosexual, you are a new creation in Christ and until you start thinking of yourself as who you are after the Spirit you will not be free from what the flesh would make of you!  I know, for there is not sexual sin that I have not participated in before coming to the Lord and many that I gave into after coming to the Lord!  But I have learned--and am still learning--that His power is made perfect in my weakness and He does not sin!  We are to restore those who have fallen looking to ourselves lest we too are overcome.  There is an appropriate judgement and there is an appropriate mercy that should be shown in all these things!

Yours in Him,
Craig