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The Tripartite Man + the heart
||August 18, 2008|1005 reads
 

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Tom
August 18, 2008
Very well done Charlie!
I'm in awe of your creative ability with the computer !
I agree that our will is the best gift we can give God!
August 18, 2008
Very nice Charlie.

Wow. Those are some great verses. I am short on time for tonight but want to come back and meditate on this some more. This is good stuff!

Michael
Charlie  Lafferty
August 18, 2008
Tom, thanks for seeing through the mess.  It ain't easy being limited to using MS Word to work with.  It's very cumbersome and time consuming.

Michael, that's just what I've been doing since I read your blog about this.
Jonathan Thomas
August 18, 2008
Howdy Charlie,

I think you did a good job with the image, keeping it clean, easy to see, and uncomplicated. You have done well to clarify your idea. Kudos.

Unlike many teachings I have heard about surrenduring my will to God, I am of the mind that God would much rather my will be in agreement with his, so that we work together as a team in full cooperative effort. I do understand however, there are times when my will (or my 'want to') may not really 'want to' do His will, but I choose to do it anyway.
Charlie  Lafferty
August 19, 2008
Thank you Jonathan and mystery "hat man" (you sneak) froccer. 

I heard a wonderful testimony on the radio last week and it really got me to thinking and reading up more on this thang about our will.  This guy was heavy into drugs, sex and rock'n'roll.  God was touching Him, but He would keep falling back into His old man.  After the third attempt to walk in faith, He asked God, "what do you want from me?"  God said, "I want your will."

I remember seeing and still pondering daily the wonder of I Cor. 6:17, being ONE spirit now with the Lord.  I think the process is working toward ONE will.  I also have been doing a lot of cogitating about "free will" and I haven't seen a verse yet that has "free" in front of the word will.   I think it's just a doctrine we picked up along the way.
Jonathan Thomas
August 19, 2008
Hi Charlie & Froccer,

I fully agree that God wants our will and his will to be one. But why would that mean that one of us has to sacrifice our will? Can there not be two wills that work as one? If not, then why did God create the institution of marriage? Isn't marriage the merging of two wills into one?

1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:


Here in Isaiah, we see the Lord tenderly and carefully desiring another will to join his own... Let us reason together. Basically, he is simply stating, if you will just give it a whole-hearted effort, then I will be here for you and I promise to help.

What I do not see is the request for surrender, with the idea of abandoning of the will. Never, in either the Old Testament or New Testament do I find any example of passivity in living holy, being one with Him. It is always a deliberate choice we make one way or the other.
Charlie  Lafferty
August 19, 2008
Jonathan, I have a lot more to say about this, but I will try to reply briefly to your comments and quesion.  God invited Job to reason together with Him also.  Ultimately Job was humbled to say, "I have heard, but now I see."  God's will is supreme.  We add nothing to the equation.  God is really into ONE.  Yes, the two BECOME ONE.  God sees one flesh in marriage, not two.  God sees ONE new man.  God sees those joined to the Lord as ONE spirit with Him.

It is our pride to want to take some credit for choosing God's will.  Jesus did not choose God's will, He DID the Father's will by saying, "NOT MY WILL, but Thine."

God is in the process of showing us He has only ONE tree.  The other tree is not His choice, but He placed it in the garden for a purpose.  He said you may eat of ALL the trees but this one.  So A&E wanted to be like God.  They chose to know good and evil.  Do WE today know what is good and what is evil?  There is ONE that is good!

I'm not trying to be argumentative bro.  I just see this ONENESS all through out scripture now and at the center of God's heart.  If we are those after God's heart as David, it will please the Father, and we will be making wrong choices through out the pursuit.  Ultimately we will have ONE diet, the tree of Life.
Jonathan Thomas
August 19, 2008
Argumentative? We're saying the same thing, lol.

Luv ya Charlie.

I'm headed out, but I'll be back on later. Have a great day. Tell Alice we send our hellos.
Charlie  Lafferty
August 19, 2008
Jonathan, we are gonna have lots of fun next time we get together.  I hope you have lots of coffee on hand :).
Charlie  Lafferty
August 20, 2008
I have tried in the diagram above to illustrate in 3D, that the heart of man is inbetween the soul and the spirit of man, and also touches our body.  These inward 3 parts of man are so intertwined it's hard to depict on paper (or even comprehend).  Maybe I should call it the Quad Man :).

Does anyone else have any "light" on this subject or something more to add?


charlie
Joey     R
August 26, 2008
Dear Charlie,
I think your little guy is very cute and manly too.  He sorta reminds of one those bead things that my daughter used to make.  You did well !!

I'm in total agreement with your writing.  It must be His will, not my own.  Complete surrender, every second of the day.  But how quickly we get distracted!  Children, burning casseroles...  our minds must be trained to multi-task and have God burning brightly at all times while the rest of the brain and body takes care of the other junk.

Just a thought
Joey     R
August 26, 2008
Oh...  Ya'll are the sweetest couple!
Charlie  Lafferty
August 27, 2008
Thank you Joey for saying he is cute.  Cute is very important to Alice.  She says, "sweet" a lot too.  I wish we could all get together sometime  I bet we could have a cute, sweet time!

Sometimes "the little guy" looks like a bowling pin and then sometimes like a colorful snowman :).  I don't have the words, and now I know I don't have the visual aid to depict what I am "seeing" in my spirit.  Of course I have been off before and will many times more, but this thing just won't go away.

I'm getting with a brother today and we are gonna do some fellershippin on this.  Maybe I will come back with a better understanding.  It's all Michael's fault..he started it!  <wink>
August 27, 2008

Hey! I resemble that statement!

Just wanted tell you Charlie that I am still churning on this blog and the topic thereof. I have an audio lesson on cassette that I ran across called "The Heart of Man" I hoping to gain some new insight from that.

Have a great day.

Joey     R
August 26, 2009
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