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Why I Deny My Sexual Orientation
||August 25, 2008|547 reads
 

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Cheryl Whit
August 25, 2008
Amen brother, very destructive!!
Cindy
August 25, 2008
Amen and amen!!!!!
Richard
August 25, 2008
Had me going for a bit. Very well put!
Brother Todd
August 25, 2008
Grant!  Yeah!  We all have but 1 orientation and that is rebellion to God.  Good job, you make a succinct point! 
Ian Grant Spong
August 25, 2008
Thanks guys. I just thought I would expose a popular deception by showing how illogical it is in an ironic way.
Chris McGown
August 25, 2008
Well said, you pulled me in...thanks!
Patti  Hagadorn
August 25, 2008
yikes. i was not sure where this was going at first1 It fell together in the end!
Pastor Bob
August 25, 2008

Juan,

Grant is showing the logical fallacy of defending homosexuality by saying it is a sexual orientation, by pointing out that heterosexual promiscuity is the natural orientation of the sinful man. Thus just because somebody has an orientation, does not mean that affirming that orientation is logical, moral, or helpful to society. 

Michael
August 25, 2008
Nice.....Short & Sweet. Yet a profound word from God.

If only the Gay camp, promoting Gay Churches & Marriages could get this.
Ian Grant Spong
August 25, 2008
Bob, what an excellent summary. Michael, yes, if only -- sigh -- but those so enslaved are blind.
DarkRadiance
August 25, 2008

They do get it. Thats why they promote gay marriage. A positve outlet for gay promiscuity. Just as straight marriage is for heterosexual promiscuity.

Ian Grant Spong
August 26, 2008

Juan, I would agree that heterosexual sin is more prevalent than homosexual sin.

Mike n Laura
August 26, 2008
Good illustration Grant. Ain't logic great? (It is a gift from God you know.)
Ian Grant Spong
August 26, 2008
Thank you Mike, for seeing this for what it is. To challenge bad logic is not persecution.
Kathy
September 22, 2008
Grant, although your point here is well taken, the premise is flawed at its core.  I quote from the blog:
"My sexual orientation is far more common than that. It is heterosexual sin"
As I'm sure you know, sin is not a sexual orientation.  The orientation is "heterosexuality," which is not in itself a sin.
Ian Grant Spong
September 22, 2008
Kathy, I will attempt to clarify further. Heterosexual adultery is as much a sin as homosexual activity, and the predisposition for both are apparently genetically predetermined according to scientific research. The genetic proclivity does not however, remove our freedom to choose not to sin. Your premise is that homosexual activity is not a sin. My premise is that it is as much a sin as heterosexual adultery. The homosexual community attempts to teach us that the proclivity excuses their sin as a non-sin, because they were "made that way." I believe that is a flawed premise and am attempting to show that being "made" a certain way, i. e. with a certain genetic proclivity is no excuse for claiming that something is not sin. Sorry that we disagree. I do agree with your opinions about many things. I just cannot agree with you on this point.
Kathy
September 22, 2008

Agreed, Grant, all of us are predisposed to sexual sin and must overcome that temptation.  This, however, is not sexual orientation.

Ian Grant Spong
September 22, 2008
Kathy, I see your point. You seem to define orientation as bidirectional only, either heterosexual or homosexual. I rather nuance that definition beyond those two simple directions, by saying that for instance, in the heterosexual direction, there are many orientations not just one. For example, there is an orientation towards heterosexual monogamy and another orientation towards heterosexual promiscuity, both genetically predetermined. The orientation towards promiscuity does not justify behaving promiscuously. Yet, many in the homosexual community, use that very argument, that their orientation justifies their behavior. I do not accept that as logical or even true science.
Mike n Laura
September 22, 2008

It has often been said that men are far more visually oriented than women. Attractive women are pleasing for (heterosexual) men to look at. I think this would be considered "natural", right? The way we were made? So it can be said that men are genetically predisposed to look lustfully at women. However, this also appears to be an orientation to sin. To deny myself this natural predisposition isn't easy! It goes against what my "nature" says I am, through and through! Yet, the bible is pretty clear, I'm to be different, and not to give in to this orientation to sin.

This seems like a parallel to me.

Cheryl Whit
September 22, 2008
Amen Mike, we are called to a higher walk with Christ and as Grant has alluded to...sin is sin.  I am sure we all agree we love the sinner and pray for the sin as we try to lovingly reach and teach God's freedom.
Ian Grant Spong
September 22, 2008
I agree Mike. Orientation is natural. Turning orientation into sin is another matter. Cheryl that is excellent. Because so many hate gays or hate Christians who believe that the gay lifestyle is sin, the whole issue becomes emotionally charged. The issue of disagreeing with the lifestyle, yet still loving gays is a hard one for both sides to understand.
KEN
December 08, 2008

Hi Grant~
This is Your Blog from August, but, wow!  I just discovered it.  Lord Jesus, Please Allow this Article to be read and understood by Billions of people.  Our Lord Jesus has spoken through Your written word Grant.  Thank You for the Blessing and Thank You for  the Truth.......Ken & Angel  ORR.

Ian Grant Spong
December 08, 2008
Thanks Ken. It's a very hot topic isn't it. Emotion often seems to rule out logic. If it's politically incorrect, then how dare I have a different opinion! :)