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Question of the Week: Is Matthew 27:50-53 Historical?
||September 30, 2008|801 reads
 

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Angela Davis
October 01, 2008
Yes!  I love this...  I have gone into long studies and discussions with many friends(christian, catholic etc..), when I was in Masters Comission, and even pastors of different denominations through the years .... My conclusion in laymans terms (mind you is not as eloquent as you put it) is just how you did close 
   "(i) Jesus had in himself the authority and power of God, and (ii) Jesus' death brings newness of life for those who believe in Him." 

   Please correct me if I am wrong- but to my knoweledge all must accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior?  That included all the "saint's that had fallen asleep" and they were only raised after Christ was resurected... in part because no one could accept Him untill it was finished!  The part of them "enetering into the Holy City and apearing to many" in a way could make sense were it to be taken litteraly in this sense...
      "If Moses were to appear to you, or David, or peter, Paul for that matter-  Would you know who they were?  Really?  Minus their clothing would you know "That person that just entered Main Street USA ... I swear that was MOSES or Peter or (insert a saint here).  They did not have digital cameras how would they know what the saints looked like?  I am still amazed at how many people think that Jesus looks like the way he is represented in arteork today still!!!   Honestly... what we are told by the word is that He was of medium stature, he had hair like wool and skin like an olive! (so was he green??? hmm...) 
   The scripture says only that "they appeared to many" how many recognized whom they were seeing is not comented on... it does not say that the "saints" were asaigned name tags with biographys to include all onlookers of what was going on. 

That is just my opinion.  I remember telling my catholic friend during our discussion on this topic that even Mary The Lord's earthly Mother had to accept Jesus as her savior and ask of Him for forgiveness of her sins- Things got real heated then!

Great post... I love how you ended it...We can rely on the descrion found in the word of God at all times for it is Holy!



Shandon Guthrie
October 01, 2008

Thank you for the questions and bringing some energy here - I absorb it like a sponge!

The Matthean account tells us that the saints were raised at the time of Jesus' death but subsequently made appearances in the city after Jesus' resurrection ("At that moment ... [t]he tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.")

That the saints weren't necessarily carrying around Jerusalem Express cards may not be relevant.  I doubt that Matthew had the Patriarchs in mind here and perhaps only refers to some local believers who could vouch for the miracle of the crucifixion and resurrection.

Now, concerning the other Gospels, Mark mentions Jesus giving up the spirit, the tearing of the Temple curtain, and directly moves on to the confessing centurion who says, "Truly this man was the Son of God."  Luke has the exact same sequence as Mark but changes the centurion's confession to "Certainly this man was innocent!"  Perhaps Luke, as a Gentile, is more interested in underscoring Jesus' impeccability entailed by being the Son of God.  John, according to New Testament scholarship, is part of an independent tradtition apart from the Synoptics and simply ends the crucifixion with Jesus "[giving] up his spirit" with no mention of the centurion (perhaps the thought of a Jesus-sympathizing Roman was too insulting to Jewish ears - much like suggesting a Nazi confession that "Moses surely was a man of God!" might have deliberately been left out of account) and transitions directly to Jesus' burial.  Does this make the account unhistorical?  Not necessarily.  I could happily see this as a sort of Lazarus-style resuscitation of various believers as a sort of living parable that Jesus brings newness of life via his crucifixion and in anticipation of the coming General Resurrection of all believers.  I suppose while Jesus was making post-mortem appearances back and forth in Jerusalem and Galilee, the focus would have been on him and not on the saints as such.  I recall back in the 1980's when Mel Tari (in his book Like a Mighty Wind) had suggested that, while on a missionary journey in Indonesia, participated in the resurrection of someone who died.  The account, not surprisingly, was hotly disputed amongst Christians.  And virtually no Christian appealed to it as evidence of anything.  Might this have been the same reception in the first century?  Perhaps not even the believing community bought the story and this apologetic was immediately dropped from its original circulation of Jesus' crucifixion. And maybe Matthew keeps it there, as I suggested originally, to tie in Jesus with the apocalyptic figure of the Old Testament.

Angela Davis
October 01, 2008
Well said!  Oh the many things I look forward to talking about with the Lord and the apostles when we get to go to heaven!  Sometimes I just close my eyes and imagine sitting on the back porch of the home built by MY MASTER CARPENTER and pouring him a fresh glass of heavenly sweet tea... just to spend the afternoon talking with Himabout things just like this...becausw we can- in heaven where time is not like here and we have it together :0)
Shandon Guthrie
October 01, 2008
If only Christians in general appreciated being with Jesus as much as you, we might have less talk about "health" and "wealth" and more talk about those things "where moth and dust do not corrupt."
Michael
October 01, 2008
I was Just Reading this 30 Minutes ago...I had meant to Star it....

I Enjoy Reading Your Work...Excellent....I am going to make it a point to Read Your Blogs & Star them so that others will Read Them as well....

You Have so much to offer The Body.
Michael
October 01, 2008
I was Just Reading this 30 Minutes ago...I had meant to Star it....

I Enjoy Reading Your Work...Excellent....I am going to make it a point to Read Your Blogs & Star them so that others will Read Them as well....

You Have so much to offer The Body.
Shandon Guthrie
October 02, 2008

Michael, I appreciate the kinds words. :)

Las Vegas residents can come "grill the professor" or just sit back and listen as I interact with college students every second Sunday of the month at the Freakin' Frog club across from UNLV.  The venue, though a lounge/bar, is for skeptics and critics to feel welcome and to bring their tough questions to the table.  It's also preceded by a Christian band in order to appeal to the entertainment-driven demographic.  Here is a list of some of the topics raised at the last gathering:

Meaning of life.

Problem of evil.

Evolution/creation.

Christian maturity.

Intelligent Design.