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Do You Really Need that Second Job?
||October 04, 2008|4234 reads
 

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Charity Thomas
October 04, 2008
Everything makes perfect sense to me. =)
Sue
October 04, 2008

How true Kathy!  And often times when people do get a second job, they just up their lifestyle to reflect the extra income, rather than using the funds to eliminate debt.  If we could just grasp this concept:  To live within (or below) the means of our income, and not of our credit.   

Deb Rockwell
October 04, 2008
The more money you have the more you think you can spend and then the more you need.  We are shutting down our greenhouse for the winter, so I am thinking of a part time job to help bring in the income we will be losing from that.  Hopefully I am able to find something, but if not, I will have to make some lifestyle changes.  Great blog.
Jerry Webb
October 04, 2008

Kathy,

All so very true my sister. In my profession, we combine this poor stewardship with doing all things in the name of ministry and neglect our wives and families even more. I have a blog to share about this but just too painful to write now. 

Caleb
October 04, 2008
I share your view Kathy and I would not take on a second job if it was not because I cannot afford the bear necessities such as paying all my utilities every month without sacrificing going out to a not to expensive restaurant at least once a month with my family or other activity that is not necessarily free like bowling night. I moved from Massachusetts to Maryland to find out I pay more here in utilities and groceries than there. I never considered a second job while in MA, but I never paid around 700 a month on utilities and 100 to get my garbage collected. I pay about the same for mortgage but I am in hole every month. So my need is not for more useless things or for European vacations or for a big a.... car. I make enough money, at least grossly, to support a family of 5 or so I am led to believe yet the only real splurge I have is sending my daughter to private school. Inflation and conspicuous consumer expenditures has made our country poor. The fundamentals of our economy are not solid and not just because the Wall Street fiasco. I agree with you that we as a society need to take a hard look at how we spend our money and start saying no to the likes of IPOD with a "new" product every other month or so and telling us how is that we need to trash the "old" one and run to buy the "new" one. And like that example there are many others. Why do you need a TV screen as large as a movie theater, go to the movies for God sake. OK enough ranting. Great blog Kathy.
DENISE
October 04, 2008

I SHARE TOO IN YOUR VIEW AS A SINGLE MOM I WORK TWO JOBS .IT SEEMS THE MORE I HAVE I SPEND. GREAT BLOG KATHY GOD BLESS YOU.

Joey     R
October 04, 2008

Kathy, this is a terrific blog, with good timing.  We live this way and have for some time.  It is much easier...  

Prayer Warrior For God
October 05, 2008
Great blog there Kathy!
Voice in DC
October 05, 2008
Great blog and a great lesson to walk out in our lives...live well within our means and be content to still give...
Robin
October 06, 2008
Great insight! We began trimming out things a few years ago...when our third daughter was born (who will be 3 tomorrow!). We have a budget with what we will spend in every area. We kept "fun money" categories otherwise I tend to resent the budget. We take cash out each month and put it into separate envelops....when the money is gone so is our spending!!!  I also leave my credit cards and debit card/checkbook in the glove-box of the car. I am usually out with one or more kid so going to the car to get them would be unappealing to me!! I have in past left them at home! One other thing I have done to cut down spending on food is plan a menu (for me a month at a time works well--start with a week). I then make my shopping list accordingly. I also check sales and go to several stores. Of course this works if the stores are close to each other. In fact this month at one store I saved $65 by buying on sale!!!  Hope this helps someone.   ~Robin
Kathy
October 06, 2008
Hi TickleMe!  I think you're a pretty wise teen!   ;)

Sue, I recall a blog you wrote on this issue.  Feel free to add a link here for the new readers that missed it!

Deb, you are so right that the more we make the more we spend!  Getting out of huge debt or building up a savings has to be planned.  It won't just happen.  A prayer for your personal situation!

Jerry, so true.  Be sure to invite me to that blog when it finds its way here!

Caleb, there are certainly circumstances that may merit a second job for a season.  And there are definitely locations that cost far more to live in than others.  Sometimes a change in location is critical to making ends meet.  A prayer for you also, my friend!

Misty, being a single parent brings all kinds of challenges.  Hang in there, and be there for your children as much as you are able.  Hug.

Dan, it's hard to take you seriously in that hat!    :)

Joey, thanks for adding your personal testimony of confirmation!

Hi Megan!  Thanks!

Yes, Voice.  Giving is another part of this!

Fantastic, Robin!  Thank you for sharing your story!
jeffnevins
October 07, 2008
I don't need a second job.  I'd just like a job.  I cut out almost all entertainment 6 months ago, and never spend what I don't have.  It's tricky to survive without an income for an extended time.
Good post.
Kathy
October 07, 2008
Hi Jeff!  Your issue is fodder for a separate blog!  I'm impressed that you seem to be exercising the principles outlined here, and I am praying for you right now that God will lead you to some income. 

I'm sure the San Francisco area is tough!  What kind of experience and/or training do you have?  If anyone in that area has any leads, please share them with Jeff.
jeffnevins
October 07, 2008
Kathy,

Thanks for the reply.  Didn't want to derail from the topic of two jobs, but this was a featured blog in my email, and I felt compelled to reply.  Thanks again for posting.  I'm trying to serve God first in all I do.

I've worked in animation for a decade (used to work in a studio), but also have experience in office work (such as filing), library and bookstore bookshelving, and a some other areas.  Thanks very much for the practical help on this & God bless.  In Christ- 
erica Rivedal
October 08, 2008

THANKS for this... I was glancing through my emails, and I got one from MyChurch.org.  Well, I usually skim through and delete, but your blog caught my eye.  I have had my family all tell me I need to get a second Job.  I "need the extra money", plus with all my bills and the "economy the way it is", it seemed to be perfect sense to them.  I didn't want to get one, mostly because, actually I need a better paying job to begin with.. plus I'm very involved with my church and I really don't want to give any of that up.  I love doing it, and giving any time I can, back to God, is much more important than feeding bad spending habits.  I know I do have those too, and I'm praying, and with God's help, working through them, but I seriously do not believe that a second job would make things better.  Last for Christmas and the end of the year, I had a second job and it did nothing for me but eat my time.

 

Sorry this is so long, but I guess I'm just sorting through my thoughts.  Thanks for the reassurance.  I feel like this was from God, an answer... God bless!! =]

Kathy
October 08, 2008
Jeff, no derailing done!  If we can help each other as we fellowship here, to God be the Glory! 

Eureeka, welcome to MyChurch!  Thank you for sharing your story!   :)     A prayer for you tonight that you will be able to take control of your spending; and I hope you'll drop back in here occasionally!  It's a fun place!
GBrady
October 09, 2008
I second all you have said here. We choose not to have cable for reasons of saving money and only have pre-paid cellphones for the same reason. We share a single (paid for) car. We have no credit card debt. We do use Netflix as 1 of our 2 methods of entertainment because we figure the $17 we spend to get about 6-7 DVDs a month would be about $210 if we were going to a theater. We do have high-speed Internet but it's DSL since that was cheaper (and still plenty fast) than cable. We pay about $10 a month...which is very cheap if you figure out we probably use it an hour a day. (Works out to a little over a quarter an hour...)

Now the dark side of the cloud: We learned all this too late. We paid off those credit cards with my wife's 401K cash-in. We have no savings at the moment from using other money on debts, etc.

However, I'm encouraged that we're at least pointed in the right direction now.
TEhret
October 09, 2008
What would be your suggestion for a parent of 4 who has moved to take a job in another state because the previous place of employment you worked at for 20 years has closed.  We can't sell our house that has been on the market for over a year and now we are paying for two homes.  My wife who has always stayed home with our children is now forced to have to work becasue we can barely even put food on the table and clothes on there backs.  Forget gaming systems and all the excess, we are talking basic needs.  My wife is devastated and what it costs for her to go to work is almost fruitless by the time she brings home any money.  She has no college, she has been a wife and mother for 20 years.  We rely on the Lord daily for his provision, but how can I not consider taking a second job so my wife can still be with the children?
Kathy
October 09, 2008
GBrady, Welcome to MyChurch!!  Congratulations on getting on track!  And I don't condemn Netflix, or cable, or any other luxury, if one can afford to have it without going in debt or sacrificing important bill payments.  I hope you're putting back a little each month into savings, even if it's just $10.  And don't even consider the option of taking it out.  Just let it build.  You're a success story!  Thank you for sharing your testimony!  High five!    ;)

TEhret (I'm guessing your husband commented here), welcome to MyChurch, both of you!!  Before I respond to your difficult situation, let me throw in a disclaimer, that I am an armchair financial advisor, not a trained one.  I have always been a strong money manager and have set up plans for a couple of friends to get them out of financial trouble.  (I claim no investment wisdom however, and would actually recommend that you listen to my investment advice and quickly run to do just the opposite!)  Now, that said, three responses I want to offer.  

First, you may not fit the situation of this blog.  This blog is directed to those who have fallen into the cultural materialism, believing cellphones, home internet, cable tv, etc. to be necessities of life.  Those who have none of the luxuries I mentioned (or yachts or private planes . . .) may need an entirely different blog.  (Anyone out there want to take this one?)

Second, I often hear people say "We're not talking about luxuries.  We're talking about the bare necessities - paying the electric bill, paying the mortgage/rent, making the car payment."  When I press them, though, what I sometimes find is that, yes, it is the necessities they are struggling to pay, BUT they are paying the luxuries!  These people have missed the point.  Pay the necessities up front, first out of each check.  Then if there is money left over, consider which luxuries you can afford to keep and which ones need to go.  I used to buy groceries for a lady who was struggling financially, until I learned she was paying a cable tv bill every month, which I didn't even have!  Most of the time, if one has a full-time job, there are cuts that can make the ends meet.

Third, I'm assuming you do not fit scenario #2.  In that case, first, please accept my sympathy in these critical economic times.  Paying on two houses puts you in a situation almost no one wants to be in right now.  But you're there, so the question is where to go from here.  I will pray with you for the house to sell, and ask other readers to do the same if so led.  Your situation appears to be a temporary one, brought on by the move and the two houses.  Two jobs might be the answer for a while, but before making that choice, listen to your wife.  Ask her whether she would rather continue working, or stay with the children and let you work 2 jobs.  You are so right that with childcare costs, it can be unprofitable to work sometimes.  This is something the two of you should decide together, and look at it as temporary, awaiting the sell of the house, but also put back a small savings amount every month, even if it seems impossible.  At least $10, increasing as you're able.  

You mentioned struggling to feed and clothe the children.  You may also be eligible for government services to help with this.  Free or reduced school lunches, food stamps, local food banks or clothes closets; and shopping in consignment shops is a great way to clothe children as they grow so rapidly.  These services will likely be used by more and more families in the coming months, and that's what they're designed for.  To help those who are temporarily struggling to make ends meet, while they work on a plan toward stability.  Your house will sell.  Until then, do what you and your wife together see as the best plan, and I'll be your partner in prayer.  Please keep me posted!
  And thank you for sharing about your personal struggles.  
Cheryl Whit
October 09, 2008
An "A" !!  Excellent blog lady!
SilverSage
October 12, 2008

this sounds good in theory, but too much like what nancy reagan said in the 80s about adjusting your lifestyle.
I did a political cartoon of her driving by in a limo telling that to a homeless woman on the street corner with 4 hungry kids and baby in her arms.) thats all very well and good if the person is in a higher income bracket and there is room for adjustment,  and I totally think those people need to do just that, but what about the rest of us who have been constantly adjusting their lifestyles downward for the past 30 years and are now at the bottom of the food chain?
cable tv? well, I have a package for my internet, phone and cable which makes it cost the same for that as it did cost for just the phone. I cant do without the internet and phone, because what little work I do get depends on having dsl and phone connections. so cant change that. my man is disabled and has one eye and his tv is all he has for entertainment. we dont go out. we dont eat out. we live partly on the food I have left over from demos, cant afford to buy meat very often. we dont go to starbucks. Ive always shopped at good will and st vinnies and I go on monday when the clothes are 75% off. my car is 14 years old, paid for, and has 165,000 miles on it. if something breaks down I will have a problem. I was getting tires paid for because the les schwab tire guy had promised me he would hire me to paint the window signage til the tires were paid off, and he has now renigged on me so now I have to figure out for myself how to finish those payments. customers I have done window splash for for years are now cancelling becaue their own business are in the toilet. I had to buy tires. (both of the two jobs I already have require travel, which of course also requires 4 buck a gallon gas to get there.) and the Les schwab guy has renigged on letting me paint the windows to make the tire payments. 
 I stopped coloring my hair 5 years ago because that cost too much. I stopped doing my nails 2 years ago. I dont go to starbucks even though I love it. I had to stop the physical therapy on my right arm ( fell and broke it in June which also stopped me from doing much work for 2 or 3 months and its still only about half the strength it used to be and painful) because the insurance ran out.
travel? cant afford that any more either.
I am 58 years old and have RA and fibromyalgia which makes a lot of the jobs I used to do undoable.
I go to a native reservation clinic and get a discount there on calls and meds, but if I get any kind of other job that makes my income go up, not only would the people I owe money to guarnish the checks, but it would lose me the discounts on drs and meds and then I wouldnt be able to afford to go to the doc at all. the chances of me getting hired to a company that provides insurance and enough money to actually improve my income at the same time half of it is being guarnished is slim to none considering the economy and my age, and my physical limitations.
I have already cut up the credit cards but that isnt going to keep me from getting sued by 10 card companies because I cant pay the bill. I cant even afford to file bankruptcy. it cost 900 to file even if I dont hire a lawyer.
I have to wait another year and a half before my age will qualify me for free legal help.
I have already sold all my earthly belongings or given them to people I owed money to to pay for my debt and it wasnt even a drop in the bucket.
we burn pellets in a pellet stove so we dont have such a high electric bill in the winter, but now pellets are 5 bucks a bag ( thats one day's worth of heat) so now that costs nearly as much as electricity does. they say we are going to have another horribly cold and long winter in the pacific northwest. oh goody.
fortunately I was raised by a mother who lived through the depression and she brainwashed me on how to be frugal or we would be in worse shape than we are, but I really dont see a lot of ways left that I can cut back.
I just need more of the work that I know I can still do. www.artwizzerd.com

SilverSage
October 12, 2008
oh if it helps those of you who are like me and just plain out of money. .....
its not going to kill you to be poor. it wont kill you to be sued. they  cant get blood out of a turnip.
let the extra house go. let the credit cards go. you have to do what you have to do. hindsight is twenty twenty.
let the guilt go. its not a failure, its just life.
you cant take any of it with you and you wouldnt need it there anyway.. smile.
Shaji Amos
October 13, 2008

Thank God for  Kathy's Blog,  I am sure  that the credit cards or password or PIN that we use to access our easy life can't give us an access to the Kingdom of God! ....

"Your Kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven" Mt.6:10
www.cssi.org.in

ihsallthetime
October 13, 2008
Hello Kathy;

When the Holy Spirit is in charge of one's life and lifestyle, He brings conviction and brings the Written Word to remembrance..  When He is ignored, we get into all kinds of trouble and confusion.  That is just my thoughts. 

Shalom to all my friends
Bambi
October 13, 2008
Kathy, great blog, I have always been a stay at home mom...kids grew and left... I got very involved in ministry work THEN I got a job last year(hubby said we needed it) and the first thing hubby did was buy me an AKC cocker spaniel... yea I always wanted one but not at the expence of my ministry!!  So I quit my job and am very happy back doing ministry again!! and we are managing!!
Having said  that could I have your wonderfully worded blog spot printed in our little MOPS newsletter? ( about 20 copies) I will give you full credit for it ( it was your words or God speaking thru you!)
God Bless and keep it up!!
Brad Feenstra
October 13, 2008
Whlie agree with you that we need to refocus our attention away from our material things, I think that you are making a false assumption that many of the people that are obtaining second jobs are doing so in order that they can continue to live a lifestyle controlled by their material wealth.  I know that my wife and I are both college educated professionals and have been very frugal with our income over the past 5 years.  However we both are teachers in a parochial school and our income level is well below what one would expect of two professional teachers.  With wages stagnent and infaltion continueing to rise at levels around 4%.  Over the past 5 years we have realistically taken a 20% pay cut.  My wife and I have both taken on second jobs in order to make up for this discrepency in income.  I know many of our friends have done the same as us and its not because they are living out of their meens, its that bills are rising and income is falling.
Keeping The Faith
October 13, 2008
Good blog.........although I agree with most of what you said some people have both spouses working just for the basics.  My husband lost his job in May and I got laid off 3 weeks ago.  He has 2 small ebay stores that are barely paying our mortgage and now that I have lost my income he is left to make up the difference.  Unfortunately taxes are still due here for property and cars to the County. If you don' t pay them you lose your home and live on the street. So some of this is society's fault (Government).  I would love to see the IRS go away and let folks decide if they want taxes coming out of their check.  It is sad that I worked for 30 years straight and probably will never see any social security income that was deducted from my payroll for 30 years.  With gas prices soaring and food prices we are now eating peanut butter sandwiches and cereal.  I barely cut on the stove anymore unless it is to heat a can of soup.  I never got into name brand clothes or leaving beyond my means as I was adopted at age 3 and moved out and have been on my own since age 17.
I rented most of my life and couldn't afford to buy a house and wasn't stupid enough to fall for the lending loan sharks that probably could have put me in a house. I had common sense and used it.  The finger pointing game remains right now because of the Presidential election coming in less than a month now.No matter what happens or didn't happen it is already set in stone based on God' word.  Nothing can change that.
Kathy
October 13, 2008
Thanks, Cheryl and Shaji!

ihsallthe time, true!  Thanks!

Bambi, welcome to MyChurch!  So glad to hear you are doing well!  Please use my blog as you desire, as long as there is a link included either to my profile page or to the blog itself.  I am pleased to share anything that can be of help to others! 

Hi SilverSage!  Welcome to MyChurch!  While I would disagree that the suggestions I've outlined here are mere theory, I agree with you that there is no quick fix, once we have gotten into financial trouble and/or adopted a particular financial lifestyle.  If one were to follow these principles from the beginning, they would work, except in rare exceptions (which do exist).  The problem is that we wait until we are caught in the credit net before we begin to look for answers, and at that point, there is a way out, but it takes careful planning, tremendous self-discipline and time (several years). 

The problem I observe is that none of us see ourselves in the materialism category.  Those living beyond their means are always other people, not us.  Yet, a large percentage of middle class America falls into this category.  How can we explain this?  We justify our own situation.  For me, we say, this is a need, not a want, because . . . I have to have internet at home because . . .  I have to have a cell phone and a land line because . . .  I have to have Cable TV because . . .  Unless we can afford to pay for these luxuries (and all our other bills), they are not justifiable. 

I have worked with friends who were far over their heads in financial trouble.  I spent hours with them over several months helping them set up a plan to get out of trouble.  They were most grateful.  Yet, without exception, once they were out of immediate danger, and I showed them how to maintain and build up to financial stability, they chose to go back to what they had become accustomed to.  Overspending and having the things they believed they deserved as much as anyone else . . . We train ourselves to look at ourselves in whatever financial plight we have built ourselves into, and we tend to stay there, comfortably or not.

It sounds like you are doing a lot right, SilverSage!  I commend you, and I sympathize with your health limitations.  Do you have a plan, no matter how slow, to get out of the credit prison brought on in your past?  If not, I hope you'll find someone who can help you with this.  As you noted, there is no quick answer, but slow and steady progress will gradually make your life better.  A prayer for  you, SilverSage!  I see you posted your resume here.  What interesting talents!  Maybe someone will see it here and need your services.  If you have a photo of some of your past work, please feel free to post it here.  God bless you, and thank you for your comments!
Kathy
October 13, 2008
Hi Brad!  Welcome to MyChurch!  You are right that my assessment is that "many of the people that are obtaining second jobs are doing so in order that they can continue to live a lifestyle controlled by their material wealth."  Not all, but many!  See my responses to SilverSage and TEhret.  I would never begin to assume that I know your personal situation, so allow me to speak in generalities here.  I too am a teacher - taught in the public schools 12 years and have been at the college level 10 years (and am making less than public schools).  I have known many colleagues who took on second jobs.  But all of them were sustaining the luxuries I discussed in this blog.  We have to come to believe that monthly cellphone, cable, and internet bills are a necessity for life, when in reality, until the last 10 years, we all lived completely without these services and we lived to tell about it!  We are trading the quality of our lives for what we wrongly believe to be necessity.  It is far wiser to start out with nothing, build a small nest egg, and add one luxury at a time over the course of several years, as it becomes affordable.  I commend you for thinking about these issues while you are young, before your financial indentity becomes immovable!  May God bless you and your wife and use you for His glory in all that you do!

Hi Sandy!  Welcome to MyChurch!  Where in VA is Spotsylvania?  Thank you for sharing your personal testimony!  Your points are well stated!  You have been a blessing to your parents!  Don't sweat not having a 401K right now!  Many of us who have them are wondering if we should've been doing something different with that money all these years!  I rejoice with you on being cancer-free!!!!  God bless you!

Hi Lynne, my NC friend!  It sounds like your common sense is healthy!  That is much of financial management!  Please allow we to clarify:  This blog was not meant to call couples to one income, just individuals.  It is indeed often necessary for both spouses to work, but in most cases, one job each should be enough, if they make wise spending choices and budget with a plan.  You seem like there are many great testimony blogs inside you!  You have much to share!
melissa Childress
October 14, 2008

Hello,

That does make sense.  It sounds like you have common sense. That is great! It is indeed often necessary to have both spouse to work but there are certain case where a spouse can't work. I agree people spend to much money on things they can't affered. I agree it important to magement of your financial. Thank you share your testimony.

Kipper
October 14, 2008
All of this is great, Kathy!  Now, if we could only get "big business" to listen!  As long as the government bails them out (enabling) they will continue to be foolish with money and the rest of us are the ones that suffer.
Kathy
October 14, 2008
Hi Melissa!  Thank you for sharing your thoughts!  You are right that disablilities bring all new facets to this issue.

Amen, Kipper.  That is such a tough one!  The system is so abused, but how can a national system make clear judgments on who is truly in need and who is working the system, especially when doctors and psychologists are advocating for their patients?  I'm all in favor of having the system, but it is broken with so much misuse and needs to be seriously restructured.
October 22, 2008

Kathy,

I wholeheartedly agree with you.  My husband has been laid off going on now for 8 weeks.  We have had to make adjustments.  While it is not easy, we are doing what we can to be good stewards.  As far as our government goes,  they are in Gods hands.  We are trusting in the Lord for all things!!!!!!!  God bless you!

Kathy
October 23, 2008
Hi Adana!  Welcome to MyChurch!  Financial adjustments take self-discipline and maturity!  I commend you and your husband and agree with you that God is surely Sovereign!
Bookish
October 28, 2008

Great blog, Kathy! I think society pressures people to live beyond their means largely because of society's intolerance of both the poor and any one who must live below the standards that society imposes, even though those standards are unrealistic and artificial.  And, yes, we consumers really do tend to buy things out of a sense of entitlement: I deserve to buy these shoes/video/dress/boots/bracelet/latte because it's been an awful day/week/month and it'll help me feel much better.

I can't help wondering how much of consumerism is the manifestation of emptiness/loneliness/frustration and a cry for help...

Kathy
October 29, 2008
Bookish, you make some good points!  Welcome to MyChurch!  Glad you're here!
borikenuno
November 02, 2008
I didn't realize it's that bad in your state. Here in Pa. right now, gas is $2.55/gal and the economy is recovering. I'll be down there training in the military to be a chaplain soon. I'll have to take a look for myself.
Nana05
November 02, 2008
Kathy, I am a North Carolinian and I understand the economy situation.  My son who has 3 children just got laid off and there will surely be some major life-changing things going on in his home.  He has said maybe this is a "blessing in disguise" and hopefully it is.  It will be a struggle, but he is not alone.  We are in a small area and losing jobs quite a lot.  But God is on the throne and we have to trust that things will get better.  Like many others here, he just needs a job period!
Kathy
November 02, 2008
Hi Borikenuno!  Welcome to MyChurch!  NC is doing better now.  NC, TN, and GA were hit especially hard after the last gulf storms due to our direct oil sources being cut off.  Our supply is back to normal now, and we are paying about 2.50 for regular.  Glad you're coming down!  Will you be at Fort Bragg?

Nana, welcome to MyChurch!  I feel for your son.  There are so many businesses having to downsize now to survive the economy.  It could happen to any of us any day.  A prayer for him and his family.  Thank you for sharing your story.
Stephen Cochrane
November 21, 2008

This is from Kathy's original post: 

"Wisdom teaches us that the best gift we can give our children is quality time with them.  This is what they will remember and appreciate throughout their  lives, not that you bought them a gaming system you couldn’t afford.  Of course they do not understand this yet, but we know it to be true! "

I'm sorry but wisdom also teaches us that the worst thing you can give to your kids is a liberal, ungodly education in the government funded youth propaganda camps we call the public school system. I work a second job to give them what I wasn't able to have.  I do this primarily because there are no longer any differences between a humanist seminary and a Public school.  Secondly, though, I want to give my kids a chance at life I didn't have.  If they get a good education, maybe they won't have to work two jobs when they're raising their family.  

Kathy
November 21, 2008
Hi Stephen!  Welcome to MyChurch!  I appreciate your passion and the value you place on education.  This blog was not written against having two jobs, but against having two jobs in order to have more "stuff."  It seems you have carefully weighed the pros and cons and have made the choice that works for you, and although I would be a little less harsh on the education system than you, I agree with your concern and admire your choice to do whatever is necessary to get a good education for your children.  Have you attended a "humanist seminary"?  Has the person who told you they were "humanist" attended one?  Blessings to you and to your family!
touch of the master's hand
December 28, 2008

Just "Thank-you!" 

Kathy
December 28, 2008
Hi Touch!  Welcome to MyChurch, and thank you for reading!
Steve Buerer
January 06, 2009
Kathy Good Stuff! About two years ago, I teamed up with some successful business people, making money through Internet distribution. It has proven to be profitable. These people, most of whom are strong Christians, mentor and train the newest people because it is a mutually beneficial relationship. There is benefit in a multitude of successful councilors. We have a team, working together. If anyone is struggling or would like help in these troubled time, follow what Kathy said. You may also contact me and I will find some to help you directly. Steve Buerer sbuerer@sbcglobal.net 916-216-7181