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Question of the Week: is the God of the Old Testament More Violent than the God of the New?
||October 06, 2008|879 reads
 

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Angela Davis
October 06, 2008
How cool is this!  Just last night (well this morning actually at 2:30 am) my sister and I were having a discussion on how she was taught to veiw God as "watching her with a magnifying glass and the sun ready to burn her to hell with an evil laugh were she to mess up" and sin, like think an evil thought...etc.  I am saddened at how hard it is for many to get a clear veiw on who God really is and how His heart desires for us to fall under His mercy out of ultimate love for us! 
   It is blogs like these that help show past (out of lack of a better word) the "religiosity" and denominational veiws that have implanted themselves before what God meant. My God says that His desire for us is so great that He sent his only Son, His call for us to know His MERCY to the fullest knows no bounds! 

Thanks for yet another great blog!
Shandon Guthrie
October 06, 2008
Thank you for the kind words :)
Michael
October 06, 2008

This is the double edged sword......of God's Personality .....In His Many Ways of Involving Himself...

Attempting to to Govern... The Affairs of Men......

He [God] certainly can use  .. [this way or that way]...of a
Approach to Reach Man...to Gain Their Attention......For Example Why Should God Speak to anyone who is Just not Listening nor paying any attention...There will be no imparted wisdom transferred nothing gained,
nor learned at All !
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#1  His .......Preferred Student would Show Interest in Learning & gaining Wisdom & Understanding A...

Volunteer...Willfulness, Willingness. They Seek to Know Him.....They are The Apples of God's Eye.
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Which leaves the Rest of Most of Mankind The Rebellious...Transgressors..etc., etc.

# 2 Type.....Not so willfully interested in Learning God's Way's or They Think They Know God's Ways
like Saul who Became Paul...Now God is The Master Salesman.....He can Nudge one in such a Way,
....of any choosing... on His Part.... To Nudge them to become part of the #1 group.

Now He does His Presentations to ....Sell us ........to Learn of Him & Follow Him....
These are the Treasures contained Both Old & New Testaments...METHODS of reaching Men.
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Yet He has to maintain.....
The Free Will of Man. A Gentleman Approach ...yet some like in that case of Paul He used a close encounter
& a More forceful way.....
He can pick & choose  whoever He Desires to Be useful, He [calls] ...[hires]
those He decides will function in the capacity to fill a position to aid in the governing of Men.

God's Word from the Old & The New Testaments ..Display The Variety of Ways He [GOD] ...[sells]...
The Art of Variety is Sales Methods ....The Art of Persuasion....Because He does not want anyone Lost.

He Desires us so much to find Our Way Home to Him.....
.....Any Good Parent does everything to Help ....
Their Children.... Turn out Right....Sometimes....The ..Method is Reward, & other Times You are Grounded,
Punished By taking a Privilege away etc.

So..........How much more does He want us to Be Good Kid's & Good Students
Rejoice if He is is Dealing with You.
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Because You Do Not want to be part  of Group #3

Those who just will Not by any means heed the Warnings or Sound Teachings & are without Reasoning, &
Error in all their ways....Turned over to a reprobate mind without any capacity to process information any longer.

Insanity.

They Think that they are Logical yet their Logic is very extremely shallow of a Search for a Absolute Confidence.
They are very easily deceived by a....
Adversary that does want to kill them with His Lies.....They have made Lies Their Salvation & They Boast.

They are Easily Sold Lies Because Satan is a Salesman also.

They THINK they are Correct.....when the Truth is They are extremely Insecure & don't know they are Lacking
Confidence...They are Perishing Fools.
Depraved in every manner of their ways.

Shandon Guthrie
October 06, 2008
Dan, it doesn't follow that because God has the prerogative to take human life that, therefore, human beings have that prerogative.  I had hoped to make that clear in my response.
Shandon Guthrie
October 06, 2008

Dan, the citation you gave comes right on the heels of the contextual antecedent:

"God is always taking the lives of everyone through old age, disease, or accident.  God permits these things to happen in our lives so that each of us will inevitably have a final moment on earth."

My point was that this is solely God's prerogative and not an endorsement of human-fostered genocide.  But now you've raised an independent issue here.  Now you're suggesting that the outcomes must be equivalent for all children who are prematurely take from us and children who are raised to adulthood.  But I see no reason to think that "the outcome for the children has to be more beneficial for them in both scenerios."  This will require some support on your part.

Michael
October 07, 2008
The Lesson is.... that it is Hell without God.

To see the Horrific Contrast....of How Depraved Man can become.....compared to Jesus that He would
lay down His Life for just that kind of Person that is so Depraved.

That is a amazing event..........Now the light & Dark contrast...Seeing that, That is why We Love Him, The Light
so Much & establish such a hate for the Dark.

We Learn to appreciate Truth & Love Truth..........& Despise & Hate Sin...& How Ugly Sin is.
This is establishing Values......The Lord establishing His Worth.

Yes The Baby Killing....is The Point of God Intervening....because of Mans slipping into that Depravity.
It always proceeds Judgement......so what kind of Judgement is Mankind in store for Now..this Time?

Yeah we are all just sitting around the House Typing with 2 fingers LOL.

Yes I do the Aerobic Blogging so I don't have to go to the Gym that way.
Liked Your comments Dan...& SLG
Shandon Guthrie
October 07, 2008

Okay, I think I've harnessed the problem here.  Dan, if I read you right, your fear is that this will "justify abortion" because "the aborted child of our age will also actually benefit."  But this is why I've emphasized that it is God and God alone who is the giver and taker of life.  There is a principle in ethics for human beings that the ends do not justify the means - a sort of reverse Utilitarianism.  And this principle has been universally accepted by ethicists worldwide.  As the German philosopher Immanuel Kant wrote in one of his formulations of his "categorical imperative", we are to treat all human beings as "ends in themselves."  This would mean that even though the destination of an infant would be heaven, it does NOT follow that it is morally permissible to terminate that child's life.  The same could be said about Christians in general.  It's not acceptable that at the moment of salvation we should band together and slaughter the new believers so that they do not have the opportunity to backslide.  Using God's prerogative to take human life in no way translates to human beings having that right - a point I went to great lengths to include so as to avoid anyone inferring this non-sequitur.

I've written on the abortion controversy and I offer an argument against it that does not depend on settling the question of when life begins (see "The Epistemic Argument Against Abortion" at http://sguthrie.net/The%20Epistemic%20Argument%20Against%20Abortion.pdf).  I hope it contributes to the apologetic on behalf of the pro-life cause.

Linda
October 07, 2008
Nice Blog
Shandon Guthrie
October 08, 2008
We should expect that aborted babies are certainly at home with the Lord. And the lesson here is that this should never serve as an apologetic on behalf of the pro-abortion position because it smacks of a deficient utilitarian ethic.
David
October 08, 2008
God is The Same Person & Personality in the Old & the New.

I see the Exact Personality throughout the Bible attempting to express Himself to Mankind.
grandconjunct
October 31, 2008

I think Dans attempt to Save baby souls by aborting them before the age of accountability is very Naive, Every mother who

aborts her baby may be exchanging her soul for the babies soul so  that would not be a great tactic for evanglism, and when

you take into account the lager group of voters who vote to make abortion leagal may be giving up there souls also it winds up being 

a Net loss of saved souls, so we need to start aborting bad arguments not babies.