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Birdie Courtright
May 18, 2007 at 1:20am
Wow! This is good stuff! I wrote an article on this subject for another website awhile back--not really pertaining to terrorism, so to speak, but in the wake of the attack on the Amish school, examing the response of the Amish community to the evil that was perpetrated in their midst--nothing so difficult, heartbreaking and horrifying as children becoming the target of unspeakable evil. Yet, in the midst of their tragedy, their actions beautifully depicted a biblical response to evil. 

Hard stuff, yes. It is much easier to repay evil for evil--evil counts on that response; but it is undone and overcome when the heart of Jesus touches it. Evil thrives on it's self, and it is only extinguished with love. 

Great blog!
Blessings,
Birdie     
Kathy
May 18, 2007 at 8:21am
Excellent!  Thanks, Jim!
Mike n Laura
May 18, 2007 at 8:52am
Hi Jim,
Good review, some very good points. Just a couple of counterpoints though, if I may. The Bible contains quite a few simplifications of broad seemingly complex concepts, so I chafe a little at the assertion that anything must remain complex. (for example, Jesus boils a complex system of laws & regs down to this: love one another-Jn 13:34, or Paul's statement that the Christian life is simply to remain in Christ-Phil 1:21, or John's boiling down love for God, to obey Him-1 Jn 5:3)

Our national government is ill-equipped to fight against evil per say. Largely because, as you (and the book you reviewed) point out that a strand of evil passes through each of us. And particularly because, as an increasingly secular nation, we are less and less morally justified to do anything about "evil" in the world. 

I don't think that is the real purpose of the phrasing of our current struggle though. I believe it is phrased that way to 1)justify our actions and 2)deliberately characterize our aggressive actions not as nation vs nation but rather nation vs specific ideology, a truly different type of war.

Good review-- a star for you! ~mike
Jim
May 18, 2007 at 12:46pm

Mike,
Thanks for the thoughtful response. In general I agree with what you are saying. There are some amazing clarifications in scripture that move from complexity to simplicity. You cite some great examples.

But it is fascinating to me that there are many examples of the opposite as well. The sermon on the mount (quoted above) – is a great example. Among other things, in this amazing teaching, Jesus is taking some of the 10 commandments (simple statements) and making them very much more complicated. (You have heard that is was said… But I say to you.

Another good example would be the concept of salvation itself. These days we are all too wiling to oversimplify salvation to a transactional event. But when people asked Jesus questions like, “What must I do to inherit eternal life?” (Luke 10:17; Mark 10:25) they didn’t get pithy outlines. What they got was stories, challenges to the very core of their character, invitations to a radically different life and purpose…

Oversimplification was not Jesus approach. In some ways he moved in the other direction entirely. Consider Jesus answer to his disciples’ question about why he spoke in parables:

13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables; because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

(See Ezekiel 12:2)

 

Jhop
May 19, 2007 at 3:50am
Hi Jim,

I never thought things were simple.  I hoped they were and early on I embraced a very simple Christianity based on a simple individualistic and personal salvation gospel with apologetics.  After years of trying to have simple faith, I have given up and I am learning to accept the complexity and mystery of things. 

The political discourse in the U.S. is very frustrating because of its oversimplification of things. Right or left, conservative or liberal, republican or democrat, you are either for us or against us....  I, too, wish we could have thoughtful discussions that transend the "talking points" of the "left" and the "right".  But that is probably a pipe dream.  

However, I see glimpses of it. 

I was working out at the gym last night, and Anderson Cooper (AC 360) on CNN had a very thoughtful show on the current political/economic/social situation on the continent of Africa.  

Also, I heard Tony Campolo today on a conservative talk radio show advocating a 3 step plan to get the U.S out of Iraq with international help http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/godspolitics/2007/04/tony-campolo-religious-leaders-propose.html
He was lambasted by most callers and several times called naive and ignorant.  I don't know Tony personally, but I know his work -- he is neither naive nor ignorant.  The fact is that he was proposing a very thoughtfull plan that conservatives disagree with therefore the name calling.  (I used to think I was a conservative, but now I am not sure because you seem to have to believe in pre-emptive wars, think of America first, and applaud tax cuts for the rich to be one).  Well, now I am getting off topic.  Great blog Jim!!!
recon77
May 24, 2007 at 12:01pm

I remember in the immediate aftermath of 911 all across America Christians were praying and looking inward. IOW, what had WE done as a nation to bring this on. WHAT  did we as a nation need to repent of (abortion, homosexuality, etc.) Jerry Falwell was right in his initial reaction and WRONG to apologize for stating the obvious about humanists, homosexuals, etc. "Leaders" be they Christian or non-Christian need not apologize for making correct and truthful statements. Anyway, beyond Falwell's statements we needed to look at ourselves and see where we had set up idols. We did this to a very limited extent at first and then got gung-ho, got ourselves entangled in foreign wars (unconstitutionally) and continued to stir up a serpents den.

We need to clean up our mess at home, secure our borders, send illegals home, and do things according to the book. Ron Paul is right! 

Sue
May 24, 2007 at 12:35pm
Great review Brother, thanks for sharing!
Jim
May 24, 2007 at 4:44pm

Hi All,

Thanks for the discussion. It's been very interesting poking around the blogs to see what people are talking about and commenting on. One of the issues that's concerning me a bit is that in this virtual world, people are often all too willing to be a bit careless with their words. I'm not interested in making accusations or simply venting anger. What I want is discussion that takes issues seriously.

So, from time to time I'll be deleting some of the resopnses that people make if I get the sense that they are too vitriolic to be helpful in the discussion.

I read a post the by Soozanne the other day that seemed helpful. She made a list of guidelines for posting comments on her blogs. If I were to write up a list it would be similar. Here's the link.

Jim 

Carebear
May 24, 2007 at 4:47pm
Sounds good Pastor Jim!  Great review too.  Very much enjoying your writing..
Andy Singleterry
May 25, 2007 at 4:02am

Thanks, Jim.  This is a book I've been meaning to read, and I appreciate seeing your thoughts here.

I especially enjoyed your insistence on accepting the complexity of reality.  One of my callings in life is to teach people to think about the full complexities of themselves, their communities, their world and their God without automatically eschewing everything to a tidy box that never quite fits.  This is also one of the reasons Wright is, probably, my favorite author now.

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