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Need Your Inputs for an Important Blog
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Allen Santos
May 18, 2007

1. I believe that people should be treated fairly and justly no matter how similar or different we are. 
2. I'd need to have developed a repoire with the person or have him or her ask me the first time around. 
3. Depends on the person's ability.  Quadraplegics would need more assistance.
4. I wouldn't have thought about this... in the Catholic churches that I've been to, the Eucharistic Ministers can share the body & blood without out the recipient touching either.
5. * Not enough handicap parkings spots, but this is an issue with parking in San Francisco in general. 
* Although an area for wheelers maybe setup, their family members might have to sit/stand somewhere else.
* If you're going to be in the front and the bathroom is all the way in the back (80+ yards back) and it's a standing room crowd for major celebrations, that's going to be logistically difficult.
6. I'm not sure.  Maybe I'm assuming too much, but places of worship must also abide by the Americans w/ Disabilities Act.  I don't know what that specifically means.  I'm thinking ramped entry way instead of stairs, but not necessarily fully accessible/railed bathrooms with assisted door opening devices.


Questions:
* How do you normally get around?  You mentioned a need for a handicapped accessible van once w/ a lift and probably hand used gas/braking devices.
* Is your church fully accessible?  Is it an issue w/ churches in general?

* What things should be done to cater for people w/ special needs?  Not necessarily just pwd... for example, I can think of a church with a somewhat sound insulated room + speaker + glass fronted room into the main church for those w/ (crying) infants.

Dave Hamm
May 18, 2007
Allen,

Good points and questions. Akin to the "crying baby" situations, how about somebody with a severe palsy that results in unwanted movements or sounds?

Church Accessibility: Just to make sure everyone knows where I am headed, if you are in a newer building that does have the various "handicapped accomodations" but you don't have any wheelchair users in attendance, there is a very good possibility that there is an unchurched Wheeler in your neighborhood that you should visit and invite to church. That's for the next blog on how to find them, be comfortable with them and know what they need.

I have seen some "dumb" designs in buildings but that is not where I want to go with the blogs. Just as a funny here; I was in a shopping mall one day and was exiting through one of those "anchor" stores with the theft prevention devices at the doors. That's OK because I was not stealing anything. What was bad about it was...

The "push the button to open the door" was on the far side of the detector stand mounted on the wall and I could not reach the button due to where the detector was positioned. In order to get to the button, required rolling around to the other side which also involved maneuvering around those circular clothes racks that are crammed in for maximum use of available floor space. By the time I got back out of the "maze" and back around to the door again, the door would be closing! LOL

I will discuss the ADA and stress that "getting legalistic" to the n-th degree is not the way to handle things. In life, we all make adjustments to accomodate others. If somebody that is coming to visit me here at home is alergic to pet dander, my family will thoroughly clean the area that we will be in and put the pets in a closed room.

We try to help one another in all we do. That is what Jesus would do.

Dave
Mike n Laura
May 19, 2007
We do a weekly service in an assisted living center, so I'm accustomed to worshiping with "wheelers." I'm pretty comfortable with offering a push for the manual wheels, turning pages, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong Dave, but whether or not a wheeler gets offended by offers of help is pretty much an individual thing. Some do, some don't. If an offer of help does offend, then a lot of other things probably do too. And I would think my response to an offended wheeler (for offering help) could communicate Christ just as effectively, by humbly turning the other cheek, perhaps? Or maybe a joyful "well if there's anything else I can do for you..."

BTW, a couple answers to your questions include: yes our facility is fully PWD accessible, and no I don't typically see anyone on wheels at church, other than those kids with the wheels in their shoes.  ~mike

ps... looking forward to your follow up!
Dave Hamm
May 20, 2007
Thanks for the comments, Mike. I'm working on the "answer blog" to present my take on things as well as some of the generally accepted "etiquette rules" for everyone.

Anybody else with questions/comments?

Dave

P.S. I could really use some more stars here...