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May 20, 2007 at 1:27pm  

"I think we also need to figure out how to foster relationship building and service experience with no religious strings attached, while we continue to be the compass to Jesus. "

In a recent visit to an old church -- nearly a dead church -- I was struck by something that seemed so simple, and elegantly graceful that was happening there.  A tiny group of bilingual members were offering a daily weeknight drop-in no-strings-attached no-registration ad-hoc ESL "class" where neighborhood hispanics could meet and assimilate English language, customs, etc. With the ongoing debate about illegal aliens, I am moved most by those who work to build bridges and relationships. The news tells us how some would "solve" the problem by splitting up families and sending people back -- and are using the law to punish people. How fitting that a changing community -- rooted in a tradition of immigrants -- would seek a different, though "riskier" proposition: giving hospitality freely, showing respect and dignity, modelling how Christ -- I believe -- would respond.

Funny. Do we need to die first, in order to live? I think, to a certain extent, yes we do. "Old Church" must die, in order to live. That is the paradox of Christ's life, death, and resurection. Just like being free, in Christ, means discipline and obedience -- but to a higher order.

Anyway, I don't know about this 'post-modern' stuff -- other than if it means wearing Jesus on the outside when I am out and about, I can do that if allowed to be myself (unafraid, yet subtle).

This afternoon has been a good respite, listening to Collective Soul...

    Give me a word
    Give me a sign
    Show me where to look
    Tell me what will I find
    Lay me on the ground
    Fly me in the sky
    Show me where to look
    Tell me what will I find
    Oh, heaven let your light shine down

    Love is in the water
    Love is in the air
    Show me where to go
    Tell me will love be there
    Teach me how to speak
    Teach me how to share
    Teach me where to go
    Tell me will love be there
    Oh, heaven let your light shine down

 
June 01, 2007 at 6:05pm  
Kim, I think we have to bring "the church" to where the hurting people are (the church to me is the entire communion of believers in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior) and show them His acceptance, love, mercy, forgiveness, joy.  People today are not going to be drawn to anything else. Only when they have seen Jesus will they 'get' the need for corporate worship and discipleship. 

Amazing to me is that I had never registered the name of Kelly Fryer until two weeks ago at a WELCA seminar.  And now she is 'everywhere' I look!  I have only read one of her books so far, but find her ideas so totally refreshing.  See my blog that I just posted today.
June 01, 2007 at 7:39pm  

Postmodernism is just modernism made illiterate. Don't get fooled by terminology. I just took a course taught from a radical feminist perspective (marxist, post-modern). Most emerging church gurus talk just like them...the beginning of their sentences contradict the end.

It is basically an unintelligible movement...but all very modern! So, while the world needs stability we get a shifting, shifty moving church that provides no anchor and tries to indentify with "postmodernism" which, in essence has NO identity other that functional illiteracy.  

June 01, 2007 at 7:42pm  

My mom is struggling with this shift. On the one hand, she is so thankful to see her daughter finally engaged in ministry. On the other hand, she’s not exactly sure what that ministry is:

 

Your mother is correct. Nobody is sure what the "emerging church" IS, especially the gurus of the movement. It's unintelligible. They feel this lack of intelligence or coherent thought, this reliance on pure experience and avoidance of doctriine (Biblical teaching) is somehow going to win people to Christ. Say what?

We are to make disciples but how do we do that without Biblical teaching. Answer: we don't. 

June 04, 2007 at 7:58am  

recon77,

I think you've just illustrated the translation problem - I don't get you and you don't get me.  A chasm of misunderstanding and possibly bad feelings could develop, but that is what I'd like to avoid.  I don't think we need to agree on terminology.  I think we need to agree that there are unchurched and dechurched people out there, who are skeptical if not downright cynical of what's going on in church maybe because some religious institution and/or Christian individual that talked the talk, but did not walk the walk.

So, to address one of your concerns.  "We are to make disciples but how do we do that without Biblical teaching. Answer: we don't"

I agree.  What I tried to say in the message with actions speak louder than words, is that "saying", "telling" and "teaching" are multi-dimensional. And there are some people who will come to know Jesus by knowing someone who knows the Bible and lives out Jesus's message by walking the walk.

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