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| What Do We Really Know About Zion? |
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I believe Zion is becoming very dear to the Lord's heart these days. The Bible speaks more about Zion than it does heaven. I think we often confuse them as being the same. I'd like to hear from others about this. What is your understanding of Zion?
102:16 For Jehovah hath built up Zion; He hath appeared in his glory. 102:17 He hath regarded the prayer of the destitute, And hath not despised their prayer.
I already have some thoughts about this..but I'm gonna hide behind the log for now (old country saying) and see comes out.
Charlie -- Yes, I am alive and well (living in Zion) == hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge :). |
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| June 06, 2007 |
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Ooops..that country saying should have included the word WHAT in between "see" and "comes." My bad :(.
Sooo..WHAT do ya think about Zion saints? |
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| June 06, 2007 |
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| Charlie, unfortunately I know nothing about this question, even to have any opinion, but I'm so happy to see you back blogging that I had to leave a comment anyway! Welcome back!!! |
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| June 06, 2007 |
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| Hi Charlie, Great topic!! Well my take on this ... Zion is a people and a place, this is vast topic,I believe Zion is the church ,in one body by the cross no Jew or Greek, Zion is also the overcomer within the church ,Zion is the corporate overcomer, not everyone will overcome , Zion is the firstfruits company is the 144,000 is Joels army . is the Elijah minisrty,I believe it is a place in the secret place where the throne og God is and where you can enter into the holy of holies,it is those who will follow the Lamb wheresoever he will go. Godbless, michele |
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| June 06, 2007 |
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Hi Kathy, thanks for the welcome back. The learning from one another has begun!
Thank you Michelle for your reply. You've filled my cup to overflowing..and I thought I knew a few things about Zion :). I like what you said about Zion being a place and a people..a collective people; that is very true.
One further point I want to elaborate on soon is that Zion is related to David, a man after God's heart. In fact Zion was/is the city of David. So as you said Michelle, we have a people and place related to Zion. God is raising up a corporate David and RE-building many little Zions for Himself.
Zion is where David brought the ark of the Lord..even to his very own house and placed the ark under a tent (known as the tabernacle of David). |
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| June 07, 2007 |
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Yes, Charlie I don't know anything about this either. I thought it was a place :) But I will be waiting anxiously to hear your insightful comments.
Oh, and you confuse me when you change your picture! Good thing I am subscribed to your blogs, or I may have missed this one :) |
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| June 07, 2007 |
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Hey Sue, you need to talk to Mary Ann when it comes to changing pix :). I figured it was time to change that one..it was 40 years old =8>O!!
Thanks for taking the time to seach me out. God is waiting for the same..but He doesn't need an upgrade!!
More Zion stuff coming soon... |
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| June 07, 2007 |
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| Zion, is the church, as Michele and the Bible clearly states! |
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| June 07, 2007 |
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Hi Recon, I'm not denying there is a tie-in with Zion and the church, but not sure I could say it is CLEARLY stated in the Bible. In fact the word "Zion" is not even mentioned directly in the N.T.
Could you help clear us up more on that? |
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| June 07, 2007 |
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Uh oh, you got me on that one. I should have known that..especially the Hebrew verse. When I did a search it must have just looked for the O.T. I apologize..I should have checked b4 I spoke.
Thanks Horshack. Maybe I'd better just leave this topic alone until I research it out better. Once more I have learned from others. |
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| June 09, 2007 |
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| Hi Charlie,like I said great topic!! I have to add some more....We are living in the "third day" the day of Resurrection,Zion(the church, the "overcomer") is awakening in this hour there is summoning from the Father to arise in this hour to be that People (the overcomer) as I said not eveyone will overcome,We are a people who live in the presence(the ark of the covenant,Zion) and who will proclaim his heart!! Glory!! This subject really stirs me up!!There is a sevenfold promise in the book of Revelation, to him who overcomes (Rev2-3) "He that has an ear" is addressed 7 timesThe high calling to us is build a people who will walk and live in Zion, who will be Zion!! Also in Joel it says 2:15, Blow the trumpet in Zion sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly, this is a call to the Day of Atonement (a time the church repents and changes from religious ways and the removing of idolatry)The trumpet is the "prophectic voices" It is a state of the heart so that her King can shine forth in a people who are called Zion!! The Hebrew meaning for Zion is Tsiyown Strongs number 6726, 6725 and it means conspicuousness, a monument , a sign post, column, landmark. or a guiding pillar, sunny mountain.We are the sign post, the landmark,to show others the way to Christ,to reflect his nature,Glory to God! Hope I did not ramble on to much , but this is my kind of topic,it represents who we are suppose to be!! Godbless, Michele |
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| June 09, 2007 |
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| The third day? The fifth and final empire, yes, the third day? That's pretty wild michele. Thankyou Horshack for the verses. Yes, Zion is the church as is the New Jerusalem, the bride of Christ. |
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| June 09, 2007 |
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| Honestly, I believe Zion is the holy city, Jerusalem. I looked into a Bible dictionary and it gave this definition. It makes so much sense because the prophets of old made no mention of heaven as the reward of the saints, but at the triumphant coming of the Messiah, there would be renewed and healed life here on the planet Earth. It would seem from in Zech 14 that the LORD (the Messiah) comes and establishes His kingdom with Jerusalem as an important part if not the centre or capital of this kingdom. The concept of the Messiah has, for the longest while, that the City of David would seat the Son of David. Jerusalem was seen as the centre of God's worship. And it will be the centre of the Millennial Kingdom, even before the New Jerusalem comes. |
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| June 09, 2007 |
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These are all great comments! I appreciate every one of them. I agree that in the millenium, Zion will shine forth..but what is God doing now regarding Zion? You are right, Recon and Ken, in the next age Zion will truly reflect Christ's body, but what about now?
I think Michelle (and perhaps Dave Apell) may have more to share about Zion TODAY. God is doing something today in regards to Zion and it stands in contradistinction to what organized religion offers.
I would like to present Part 2 shortly about Zion, the tabernacle of David and the tabernacle of Moses. I believe Zion also includes those "outside the camp." I hope more will share their views also so we can all learn and discover more puzzle pieces together. This is an ongoing revelation and I certainly do NOT have all the answers. |
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| June 10, 2007 |
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Hey Recon77,how are you? you have not heard of the third day? 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 6:3 Then shall we know, [if] we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter [and] former rain unto the earth. I believe that when Jesus rose from the grave he rose with "resurrection power" that power he has given to the church, restoration is promised for the third day, the promise of returning to the Lord, to our first love.is that he will revive us and heal us and bind up our wounds. We must know the "mysteries" of God, they are hidden truths they are secret things that Lord reveals to those who seek Him, Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God does nothing unless he reveals his secrets to His servants the prophets, The problem with the church is they are STUCK in religion of MANMADE doctrine, and really do not know the HEART of the Father, or what he is saying today,If we fill ourselves with "things "of this life and do not sit at the Masters feet how can we know His heart or how can we know "truth", I learned a long time ago I cannot believe what the P.A.O.C taught me I had to "search " out truth for myself, and the Lord confirm ed many times to me things he told me that I knew nothing about until I searched out the scripture. So we are living in the Third day , it is a "prophectic" day when the TRUE prophets (not the prosperity prophets, that say peace ,peace) will arise with the voice of the Lord to cause the church to come into a place of revelation and change, so that we Zion can ascend His holy hill!! Michele |
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| June 10, 2007 |
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Thanks, Charlie; but I don't understand what you mean about Zion today. Literally speaking, Jerusalem (Zion) isn't really much of what it was in the pre-Advent era. It was the existence of the Temple there that made it the Holy City. While I'm sure the city is still important to Him because that's where He'll have His throne, in this pre-Second-Advent period, really, what awaits Zion is war (Zech 14:2) before it attains glory higher than it had before. And, if you believe the Two Witnesses are literal persons, their deaths will be in Jerusalem or at least that's where their bodies will lie (Rev 11:8).
Figuratively, though, Zion seems to be a symbol of having come to salvation. The writer of Hebrews says that the Christian has come to Zion (Heb 12:22) and the 144,000 are descibed in a similar way (Rev 14:1). To me, this is a symbol of our salvation, an assurane of what we will have. This technique is used other places in the Bible:
1 John 5:13 and John 3:36 says that we have eternal life; Mark 10:30 says eternal life will be given in the age to come and 1 Cor 15:53-54 says at the last trump the saints become immortal
So... to me, Zion in this sense is an assurance that we will be there in the Kingdom when Jesus returns.
~Ken |
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| June 10, 2007 |
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That's a good point Ken, Zion is definitely symbolic of our salvation and also the joy of our salvation. There is something very special in the heart of God about Zion and our salvation.
I'm working on Part 2 of this blog and maybe it will become a bit more clear what I mean by, "Zion today." Mount Moriah and Mount Zion are not the same. Zion was a part of Jerusalem proper, but it had once been a stronghold/fortress for the Jebusites..enemies of Israel. Joab and David's men took the fortress for the king and David built his house on that mount. Zion was declared the city of David (I Chron. 15:1). |
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