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The message of the gospel of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins is often misunderstood, if not ridiculed, by those who do not believe. Certainly, even among believers blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as the sin which would not be forgiven men is often a topic of some fear and doubt.
It is also a fear which some believers have attempted to instill in the hearts of non-believers, _ to no avail. What is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Is it possible there is a sin a disciple could commit which the blood of Jesus cannot or will not cleanse? There are two entities involved which are important towards understanding what was spoken by Jesus: Jesus himself, and, the Holy Spirit.
The context (Mk 3:20-30) is one of many where the listeners not only do not believe in Jesus, but they seek to insult him and in essence utter a blasphemy to which Jesus speaks. This sin of blasphemy, Jesus said, would be forgiven of men. What they spoke against Jesus was nothing less than blasphemy, but even such a sin of “a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven [them]” according to Matthew’s parallel account (Matthew 12:32). However, there was much, at the time Jesus spoke these things, which remained to be accomplished, not the least of which was his death, burial and resurrection.
There was a time fast approaching when Jesus would be declared with power to be the Son of God by the resurrection from the dead. This was to be the last word, the last opportunity for any and all men to believe. The promise of fulfillment in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the apostles on the day of Pentecost and his indwelling in the heart of the believer was to be final word for men to believe. The work of the Holy Spirit to bring all things to remembrance Jesus had spoken to his disciples and to guide them into all truth was to be the last work of revelation before the return of Jesus and judgment. Refusal or failure to hear and obey the will of God as completed through the guidance of the apostles by the Holy Spirit in writing the word of God is the blasphemy which will not be forgiven men, “either in this age or in the age to come”.
There is the blasphemy of the unbelieving in “this age” and “the age to come”. The first blasphemy of which they were already guilty was their rejection of a fulfillment of scripture, the work of the Holy Spirit, (Isa 42:1-4) in their presence through the “Servant”, Jesus. Although there was provision under the Mosaic law for atonement of sin, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, in that age, was not among those sins for which one could obtain forgiveness. The “age to come” under which blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven was after the ascension of Jesus after which time the Holy Spirit worked miracles through the apostles and other Christians in the first century to confirm the gospel of Jesus as the message of salvation for all who believe. Those who believe and obey receive the gift of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in their hearts to live by and give life eternal to all who seek. |
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| To add a comment to "An unforgiveable blasphemy" |
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| November 11, 2008 |
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| Thanks for offering this valuable teaching Gil. Your description is also very much my understanding of this "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", the only unforgivable sin. I pity believers who have some other understanding, and who let this nag at them at rob their joy. |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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| Thank you for your words, Mike. They are an encouragement to me as I hope the article would be for believers. This was originally written for Orkut where there is a considerable cross-section of believers and non-believers. |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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| Golden, I appreciate your concern about people reading this on MyChurch, but I believe your concern is unwarranted. I would think anybody reading this would take heart in the manner and context of the discussion and question or participate just as they do on any subject. Now, as to your claim. If it is the elect (the saved), as you say, who are the only ones who can commit the “unforgivable sin”, then what are you saying about the faithfulness of God’s promise and the cleansing power of the blood of the lamb? Although I am familiar with the Mark 13 passage I am not sure how you draw the connection with this post. You state it is “where the ‘unforgivable sin’ is spoken of”, but it is Mark 3:28-30 as I cited in the post, actually. Also, I am familiar with the “Pentecost” reference and the matter of language, but I do not understand how you are making that connection here. |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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I had a full disclosure of what I speak of. However, I find it difficult to explain. In all do respect sir. If you know nothing of what I speak of. How could you believe my concern is not warranted. Many who read of this sin do worry that they will not be able to do as God says when brought before the synagogue of Satan.
Have you never read the Book of Revelation? I do not put down on paper that which is not in the Bible. I DO NOT draw conclusions. The elect are not the "saved" as you call them. They are the "justified". I would suggest you read Rev 7: 8: and 9 for your answer though there is much more in all of the Bible about God's elect. I believe I made it quite clear about the pentecostal tongue. Sorry, I must have deleted it when I deleted what I had wrote thinking it was part of my writing.
I do not mind questions by serious individuals who truly want to know. However, when I make something as clear as I did with you. I feel it is a waist of time which I could be spending elsewhere.
There are very few elect. People have a distorted view of the Bible and most will not come to an understanding. such as the fact. Born from above does not appear in the true text. It states, "born from above". now, so many think they are "born again' and have no idea what I am saying. I believe this is very easy to understand. yet, I have had people actually delete this from their comment page. I have a copy of the Textus Receptus. That is how I know. But, people still do not want to hear the truth.
I hope you do take this as intended. I do wish I had not deleted my comment from before. The elect have a grave responsibility. This is why God makes it clear that only they can be trusted to speak before the Evil one. I know there is much confusion. There is a great deal misspoken in the bible.
I also hope you read as I suggested and we can talk about this subject when you have a better idea of the reason that not allowing the Holy Spirit to talk through you is the "unforgivable sin" Though, and I know this is difficult to understand. Most REAL scholars do not believe it can not be committed (by the elect) God bless!!
Also try mark 13:9-20 It is very clear to those who study deeply. I hope this answers your questions.
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| November 13, 2008 |
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| Golden, when I said your concern is unwarranted that was not to say the topic or your point are not important. I understood you meant this topic might be too much for believers to see on this blog. That’s what I had in mind when I said they, like anyone else, are free to participate in the discussion.As to my association of “elect” as being the “saved” review Mark 13:20. If these elect are not the saved how can you say they are “justified” when the only ones justified before God are those saved, redeemed by the blood of the lamb? Your understanding of Mark 13:11 as “not allowing the Holy Spirit to talk through you is the ‘unforgiveable sin’” is interesting. My reading and understanding of the Mark 13:11 verse is the reassurance of the disciples by Jesus to not worry about what they should say at the moment because the Holy Spirit would give them give them the words to speak. Again, I am not sure how you are reading the subject of "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" into this text when it is not mentioned. No. Your brief reference to the “Pentecostal tongue” was not clear, but that was not relevant to the topic and for that reason I did not enquire. I wish for the sake of others who might read these comments you had not deleted your previous posts. That’s not a good practice, Golden. It break the discussion thread. |
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| November 14, 2008 |
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Again, I am sorry I deleted this portion of your comment page. it was not intentional. i asure you. I had wrote a new comment and was angry at myself for not being clear enough. I saw my photo and deleted all that was mine. Now, as for Mark 13:20 The days shortened are the days of the antichrist which at first were to be seven years as you may be aware. As for "no flesh should be saved" It should read "should have been.
There is no mention that the elect are not saved. In fact you must go one further, they are "justified" and you will have to go to Romans Chap 8:29 For who did He (God) foreknow (foreknew) , He also did predesignate= foreordained (Gr proorizo) to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn amoung many brethern.(Not to be perfect as our Lord. But to be His anointed)
30 Moreover whom He did predesignate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
In the case spoken here. God predestined (before they became flesh) or preordained those He knew He could trust to bring many to the truth. Also to be taken up before the antichrist to be questioned so the world will hear the Holy Spirit speak through them. The time being shortened to a period of five months. Said to be questioned, each for ten days.
One of the two churches that Christ saw favor was the church of Smyrna. Rev 2:9 I knowth works , and tribulation, and poverty (but though art rich) [having educated their flock properly] and I know the blasphemy (do not confuse this with to blaspheme the Holy Spirit) of them which say they are Jews, (Kenites) but are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10. Fear none of these things which thou shalt suffer: (art abut to) behold, the devil shall (is about to) cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried (tested); and ye shall have tribulation ten days: before thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that have an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (hell) He that have an ear to hear is of course referance to the elect. also referred in many places as those who have eyes to see. Mark 12:9-27 is only one area where it is reviewed.
Jesus did not say this to the multitude. As they will not understand. None but the elect have this knowledge.
Now, and I do hope this is clear. Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man (not blaspheme, as the next cause)it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer=reply , or what ye shall say:
12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you
(the elect) in the same hour what ye ought to=should say." Only the elect can commit this crime. I, and the greatest scholars alive today do not think it can happen. God would not have His elect be unforgiven after "justfying' them in the first place. |
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| November 14, 2008 |
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| Oh, the tongue is also called the "cloven tongue" as it will be understood by all who hear it at the very same time it is spoken. Every person in their own language.. Some people today believe when they speak in babel. They are filled with the Holy Spirit. This is not the case. As you may tell from what I wrote above. |
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| November 14, 2008 |
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Golden, I appreciate your message.
You wrote: As for "no flesh should be saved" It should read "should have been.
There is no mention that the elect are not saved. I wrote: If these elect are not the saved how can you say they are “justified” when the only ones justified before God are those saved, redeemed by the blood of the lamb? I never said the elect are not saved. My “blue” comment is in reference to your (deleted) comment these were not the elect, but they are justified. My question (in blue) to you was how can you say the are not the elect and say they are justified, also? You wrote:the elect) in the same hour what ye ought to=should say." Only the elect can commit this crime. I, and the greatest scholars alive today do not think it can happen. God would not have His elect be unforgiven after "justfying' them in the first place. I can appreciate you have read up on the greatest scholars and you stand in admiration of them. However, whether you and they do not believe the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be committed I will stand with Jesus who said it can be committed. I differ with you (and, the greatest scholars, too, evidently) in that these who stand to commit the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit are not the elect, the justified or the saved (Yes, these are all the same.) but by those who refuse the His work which began with the outpouring Holy Spirit on Pentecost 50 days after the day of the resurrection of Jesus.
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| November 15, 2008 |
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My intention was to explain. To call the elect just "saved" is a misnomer. It is much more than this. To be "justified is to be pre-judged. Not that the elect can not sin either. If you know about Satan's rebellion and what really caused this "flesh age" it is quite clear the reason there are the elect. They were the only ones who stood by and fought against Satan and his followers. The only way the Father could rectify that was to either destroy all he created or make man in the flesh to give them a chance to be innocent in knowing what it was they may have done. Such as nothing, as many did.
I did not say it can not be committed. It certainly can. That is exactlty why God has put a "stupor" over those who would do so if brought to the antichrist to be "tried" It is for their protection.
In this last fight with Satan. The same as what was commenced on the Pentecost will happen. Those who hear will all understand in their own language at the exact same time. Now, no one says you HAVE to believe any of this. You have a mind to reason with. But, I would keep this in mind in any case as you may very well see this come about shortly. Blaspheme and blasphemy are separate issues. To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is an "Hebraism" and not the same.
I can not see anywhere that I said it could not be committed. Only that the elect could do it, as it would certainly be possible for those who do not have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Rev 7:3
I would guess you did not read it or you may understand. No problem. Most people would do the same. I can not see how more clear I can make it. you may be one, as many are that are not to understand. This does not mean you never will. Many eyes are opened at a latter time in life. I pray this will be true for you. As I do for all who love our Lord. God bless!!! |
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| November 17, 2008 |
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You seem to have a lot on your plate, Golden. Certainly, the matters you bring up are worthy of study, but they are outside of the scope of the original post. Your introduction of various other topics including a “stupor” (?) may help you grasp the subject, but they can pose problems when teaching your point. Finally, I refer to your mention of “blaspheme” and “blasphemy” as two separte issues with the former being a “Hebraism”. This would not weigh heavily or decisively on the import and understanding of the original topic, “An unforgiveable blasphemy”.
I do appreciate your input and comments. |
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| November 17, 2008 |
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I have to wonder where my statements are anywhere out of the scope of the original post. Certainly, you must agree to blaspheme, or to use blasphemy to any perso. Other than the Holy Spirit. Are very different. In the Greek, "blaspheme" in the Strong's is #987 blas'. fay-mos escentually to defame or speak evil of. Any person can be "blaspheme" a person with no repercussion.
However, to blesphemeth (Luke chap 12:10-) is well explained as the unforgivable sin. If you notice.
The word blasemeth as the others are interchangeable. Yet the statement to blasphemeth the Holy Spirit is an entirly different subject. An Hebraism, in case not known to you is a "figure of speech" a rough way to explain what I meant and all I can do is try. I'm sorry if this through you off. It is not my intention.
You will find a fairly good explanation of "stuper" in Roman chap 11:7- 10 Yet, there is much mentioned in the Bible of this fact. I certainty KNOW this is a worthy subject and suggest any Christian to do a good study of all. I documeant very carefully what I say. The documentation is proof to any who would question what is said. But if a student of God's Word will not go to it to check it out. There is no knowledge gained. I will do my best to write a good blog on this subject. I have so many in mind. Yes, I do have a lot on my plate. Teaching God's Word is not easy to those who care nothing of study.
I have had many try to refute what I say with no knowledge or understanding. that is their problem and they will have to take that up with Father when they see him.
I always tell people to check out what I say in God's Word. those who do not are certainly in much worst shape than I. I don't believe in hiding knowledge. I am glad to hear you appreciate my comments. But, they are worthless if you can not understand. This is why I gave you a "heads-up" as to where this subject may go.
Very few. But a couple understand immediately the simplicity of the message. While other are sorrowfully do not have eyes to see, nor ears to hear as Jesus said. You can't lead the blind with a flashlight. Yet , there are none so blind as those who will not see. I do hope there was one soul who gained from your blog. It is, as I stated a great subject. Providing you have those able to "see"
You may get a little something from some of my blogs. If you care to, that is. Most are very simplified and common knowledge. But I try to brake the subject matter down in a way that those who are new to God's Word can gain what is possible. I wish you good reading in your quest to study His Word. God bless!!!
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| November 17, 2008 |
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| No, that comment about the "flashlight" is certainly not biblical. That is my assertion. |
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| November 17, 2008 |
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Hello Gil T
You may want to go to my blog titled "Wilfull Sin Will it be forgiven"? I cited some scripture and tried to keep it simple. Perhaps you will comment by give more scriptures?
Shalom to all my friends |
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| November 17, 2008 |
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Well, Golden, lets see if I can bring closure here. You have given me every indication, and then some, you are a student of the word, Golden. You are versed in Greek and Hebrew and other biblical languages it seems. You are well read on the greatest scholars. Lets suppose I don’t play with a “full deck” or my elevator doesn’t “ascend to the top room” (these are, “Americanisms”, and certainly, not anything you said of me) and, hence, my inability to grasp what you have attempted with much effort to communicate with all clarity to me. I am not questioning or refuting what you have presented, as I am convinced it is a matter of ongoing study for you and that is good. However, as I stated before, you do tend to pepper each additional post with more and new topics. Nobody, certainly not I, questions the study these topic deserve, but it is not the best form, no matter who the scholar, to run the spectrum of topics. As a final example in this regard, your introduction of the term “stupor” which I thought best to direct to Rom 11:7 for a “good explanation”. Actually, there’s not much of an explanation, but then again, none is necessary, and, how you introduced this in the topic of “An unforgiveable Blasphemy” against the Holy Spirit and went still further into the “antichrist”, . . . well, enough said. Best wishes in your study, Golden. |
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| November 18, 2008 |
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Same for you. i wish you the best in coming to answers and will attempt to write a blog on this subject. I am about a year behind on doing so on other subjects.
I certainly would not even think for a moment anything of the "Americanisms" as you put it. You have a very good sense of hummer. Many people, however, do tend to complicate very simple subjects. Not because they are less than intelligent. at times, and i believe, as an educated man your self. Anxiety to lean can do this. Yet, it is not possible to understand all that the Father has placed in his great instructional love letter. I am very happy you have that understanding.
The only people of whom I have not approved of as they tend to lead my brethern on the wrong trail. i would have not been able to keep from letting you know had thought that was your "game" to quote another "Americanism" (I know a few also!) Should I be able in future times to help in your venture of learning. Please let me know. If I can't at the time. I do know a couple people whom I can call to help us both. It is not productive to God's plan to keep his Word silent. Please feel free to comment on my blogs also.
Let us, unless there may be any other questions in your mind. Call this subject closed. Yet, possible to be reopened in any future time.
I am, at this time trying to write a book on my experience in the military. I also have an assignment from a publication this weekend and will be writing an aticle on the subject. That being our "Federal Reserve" boondoggle.
I pray I did not confuse your thought at any time. My mind works ahead of me when making a point. I am not the teacher Paul was. And most likely never will be. However, I do try to help all Christians I can in understanding. This was a two way topic. I notice we have a new we have a person also interested in commenting. I will have to check out what he has on his venture as I can not help myself. I truly pray Father leads you to a better understanding of His Word. God bless!! |
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