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Some people leave because they observe gradual changes over time in the way people interact. The level of friendliness and encouragement seems to decrease, while the amount of arguing and judging seems to increase. But in truth, the only thing that really changes is people’s expectations increase imperceptibly over time, until the fellowship they’re used to ceases to measure up anymore.
Some people leave because there’s too much doctrinal incorrectness, too much biblical illiteracy… Okay, well why not patiently teach and exhort folks to get into their bibles, maybe recommend some good teaching resources, and offer some gentle loving mentorship?
Some leave because too many members are distracted by unimportant side issues and meaningless debates. Okay, so why not foster more unity, by working to bring greater focus on the message we all agree on, Jesus Christ, THE essential of the faith?
Some leave because they don’t get enough attention from other members. Believe it or not, I can understand this view. Nobody likes to be ignored, or feel irrelevant…NO ONE. But there are always ways to become relevant. For example, find someone to encourage. There’s ALWAYS someone who could use it, isn’t there??? In doing so, we become relevant…to someone.
Some leave because folks are too judgmental, too legalistic, too arrogant, too hardline, etc. Okay, so how about injecting some grace and mercy into the dialogue? Jesus gives us the strength to stand in the face of persecution. After all, he too was persecuted by hardliners.
Some leave because they see too much pandering, softening of doctrine, rationalizing and giving in to the world. Okay, so why not reveal to fellow members the rewards of a life surrendered to God, the beauty of a life spent in pursuit of holiness, purity, and innocence? Merely teaching doctrine can be dry and uninteresting, but examples from life are far more powerful. Similar to Jesus’ approach with the parables.
Some leave because they feel guilty or ashamed. They’ve established themselves as someone who loves God, knows God’s word, and is determined to live by it, even encouraging others to do the same. But life comes along and knocks them a step backwards in their walk with God. Rather than use this as a way to help others, they…leave.
Some leave because of the actions of one or two other people, who harass or discourage them. Such harassers should be warned lovingly, and if problems continue, disciplinary action should follow. Discipline can be an act of love too. If discipline is forsaken, those who contribute positively to the fellowship end up leaving, while those who don’t stay and do further harm.
I hate when people leave!! For every reason to leave, it seems there is a good reason to stay! Not everyone who leaves, leaves by the leading of the Holy Spirit. In fact, wherever the gospel is freely shared and people are daily encouraged to trust the Lord, Satan certainly conjures as many reasons as possible for us to quit and leave. Anything to divide and isolate the members of the body of Christ!!
Leave what??? Well…leave MyChurch, or their church, or even THE church! The decision to leave must always be weighed carefully, and in prayer!! It’s just easier to quit, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the Lord’s will to do so. Since when is serving anyone easy???
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| This is a printable one...one to preach from one day LOL.. :) I think of the parable of the seeds/sower...some make it and some don't. The ones that make it bring forth fruit. I for one have been ministered to by the fruit of your life. I am glad you didn't quit when you probablly had thought about it many times before. |
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WOW, Mike & Laura
I really needed this. I was contemplating leaving
many times. Why, I thought I wanted and needed a
different kind of fellowship with real, live people. I'm
Glad I stayed because you are REAL people and I fell in Love with all Ya. |
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| Right on Brother! There are always reasons to leave. Sometimes the leaving is just for a season...but may it never be because we are hurtful or mean to someone. We all have needs as you say...for example, I'm sensitive to feeling ignored (*sigh*) but I also know that people don't necessarily ignore me b/c they don't like me, especially when they don't know me, lol! I always struggle to understand why people have little to no time for others...then I get busy, myself, lol! But hey, seriously, I encourage you and all your many readers to "encourage one another and build each other up" as the word below this box says...and in fact you, Mike my brother, are always doing it. May God richly bless you for it. Thanks for always sharing your wisdom with us...wisdom based on God's word. |
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I had to come back and say, I can't wait for Sunday to come.
Then I will have my Real Live Fellowship. |
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Some people leave, for periods of time, so they can tune out secondary signals and tune in to the primary. For me it seems to be every two months or so.
Billy Graham once said that if he had only 6 months left to live he would spend 5 months in the bible and prayer and the last month preaching, or something to that effect.
Love you my friend! |
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Well Mike, I decided to stay...before I read your blog:)
You know, when that person here harrassed me and judged me, he was not disciplined, but there were more than a few caring friends of mine that stood in the gap.
The main reason that I wanted to leave was the fact that I saw so much finger pointing here, and I do not want to finger point, and I cannot stand to see it. It seems that the Pharisaic approach is to grind the weak underfoot and stomp!
Oh WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY cannot we ALL learn to approach others with love. If Jesus would have approached me the way that I "DESERVED" I'd be dead. What kind of an example is it if we tear people up?
Who in the world do we think we are representing here!
Thanks for letting me speak, and I meant every word of it in love, not considering my self above anyone else. |
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Excuses...Excuses...Excuses....If people truly want to be here on MyChurch....Nothing or no one could make them leave....And if they do...I say, may God forever bless them....and may Heaven shine upon them....I have found out that some people just want to continue in their Loddie Dottie way, and don't want to hear the truth....Then there are some people the Lord has instructed them to leave for whatever the reason..I don't question that, nor worry about it...if you are friends with that person, you will keep in touch. It's too late in the day my friend....Jesus is coming soon....and many will depart from the faith, and will not endure sound doctrine..They want something, or someone, to tickle their ears...and make them feel good.....
Well all the demons in hell couldn't move me from where God places me...Play time is over, and we should be serious about Kingdom Business...and that is my humble opinon...and I say that, of course, IN LOVE (smile) |
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Firefly, oops I missed that one. That's just an example you made up, right? :-)
Cathy (Forgiven), you are someone who understands grace. Keep showing it to the rest of us sister!
Marjay, in love I say, we need all the immovable brethren we can get!
Terry, you BETTER be real! I'll be waiting by the front door next Sunday!
Todd, thanks and I appreciate that brother. I've never second-guessed God bringing me here w/you guys. He would have to make it abundantly clear that HE wants me to go, before I do. |
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LOL...You are even starting to Type Like Me....hahaha I like that upper case - lower case thing.
word...... spacing.....punctuation MARKS !...Has Emotion !!!!
Are People Leaving ??...I....Always find You Relevant & Exciting to Read...& everyone that Writes Blogs,
also.
My entire Friends list are People who are at least somewhat active in Writing Blogs & These are the Best...
at Least I Think [ Christians ] even with differences ...The Dialogue is just the Best & Most Fabulous,
The Stirring the Kettle is Where it is at...&... They will be Back....Because This is The Main Stream. |
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Michael......writing like you?
I must Say..... your (((((style))))) is very ...Distinctive..... LOL
Always enjoy reading your comments, even if I can't type like you, lol! |
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Michael(ATL43), great example of Billy G. Glad you come back to, you crazy prodigal!
Penny, you've encouraged me! And I'm sure many others! |
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| Me too bud! There is another thing from AA that I try to apply here that works well for me...take what you need and leave the rest...some need growth more than others.... |
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"take what you need and leave the rest"
GOOD ADVICE!! (thanks Becky!) |
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| I SAY TO MYSELF SOMETIMES SILIENCE IS GOLDEN AND MOVE ON! I LOVE THIS FORUM .AND I FEEL SOMETIMES IF YOU DON'T HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY DON'T SAY AT ALL! AMEN AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT YOU MEET BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE LIKE I HAVE ON MY CHURCH. |
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| I've wanted to leave so many times, but I stay, because you guys give me a bit of an encouragement boost upward. |
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Hi Mike. You know me, I try to focus-in on the question in-hand. Question being "some leave because..."
There are many reasons people leave, some of which you've touched on. But can I ask a question? Do people leave because God reveals (or shows them) too little, or do people leave because God reveals (or shows them) too much? I am thinking of Romans 12 - where at the end of verse 6 it says "in proportion to their faith." And like I've said many times - in proportion to their faith - people need to utilise it, take hold of it and do the best they can with it in proportion to what God has given them.
For people who have just joined MC or in their early walk with God, what they read could be too much to handle, and for those otherwise involved - it could be too little, and they become frustrated, aggravated, depressed - even angry sometimes, because what God has placed in their heart seems to be otherwise "sidetracked" if I can call it that. So they downsize their messages and do the exact opposite of what God has placed on their heart and compromise - knowing its the exact opposite of what they should be doing in proportion to their faith - not somebody else's who could be higher up the ladder - or lower (whichever the case may be). In short, we're all in a growing process. In the growing process - some have just been planted, some have took root, and some have broke through the surface and began to grow. We are all growing in proportion to our faith. Get my meaning?
And finally. Some people leave because they tried supporting people, encouraging people, even standing by "on tap" as I call it with some people. They leave not because they want to, but because they have to - because the attention that is required by some people is too much to handle and its sucking them dry. But let me tell you this. It doesn't mean they've stopped thinking about them - because they pray for them whether they realise it or not almost on a daily basis. So when people leave, its not because they don't care, its because they've tried everything possible - and the ONLY THING they can do is pray. Believe me, I didn't say that last comment light-heartedly, but there are some people here that know exactly what I mean because they were doing it. Yesterday was just one example, when some people got together and prayed for people. So I hope I've answered a proportion of that question. Its because its because. |
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| Good clear- cut focus mike! |
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Denise, you are an encourager! Maybe not the most theologically minded....yet. (But there is room for growth for ALL of us, and theology isn't everyone's forte.) In short, you are appreciated. Any Christian fellowship needs folks like you in order to remain upbeat in a culture that is going downhill fast. God bless you sis!
Megan, so glad you've persevered. Be proud, kid!
Stevie, did you just give me a piece of your mind??? Well.....THANK YOU!! A very thoughtful comment! In answer to your question, "Do people leave because God reveals (or shows them) too little, or do people leave because God reveals (or shows them) too much?" I'm not sure God reveals too much/little, but just enough. Satan also has the ability to show us "too much". I'm thinking of when he tempted Jesus (showed him the kingdoms of the world), or when he drew David's eyes to Bathsheba (SHE was showing too much!), or even Eve (her eyes would be opened, by sin). It wasn't God but the devil showing too much....for all the wrong reasons! (Will continue this thought later!) Good comment Stevie! |
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Goodmorning, last night I thought about this from my prv' blog and want to share. Someone sent it to me.
A REASON, A SEASON OR A LIFETIME
People come into your life for a Reason, a Season or a Lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person.
When someone is in your life for a Reason, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a Godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then without any wrongdoing on you part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. Sometimes they die. Sometimes they walk away. Sometimes they act up and force you to take a stand. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it's time to move on.
Some people come into your life for a Season, because your turn has come to share, grow or learn. They bring you an-experience of peace or make you laugh. They may teach you something you have never done. They usually give you an unbelievable amount of joy. Believe it, it is real, but only for a Season.
Lifetime relationships teach you lifetime lessons, things you must build upon in order to have a solid emotional foundation. Your job is to accept the lesson, love the person and put what you have learned to use in all other relationships and areas of your life. It is said that love is blind but friendship is clairvoyant.
Thank you for being a part of my life, whether you were a Reason, a Season or a Lifetime.
MyChurch Family...Lifetime Friends |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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Well Good Morning folks:
I missed blogging for two months on a flower swap group called floraflip because I discovered mychurch and had time for one group only. I got a tongue lashing in love by one of the members and realized that I needed to drop some input there on occasion as not many godly there and many wiccans. I talk flowers and express my love of Jesus where I can put it in the flower swap messages.
I guess being newbie of two months approximately, I have not been weary at all and hope I am not sucking anyone's time with my comments and messages. I am living alone Monday through Friday in a camper in Amelia Virginia with a hamster. This is a fantastic source of Godly fellowship for me. TV is off most of the time and you all are now my entertainment, study group and family in one.
So, I don't feel a need to go anywhere. I saw ugly displayed over the elections but gained lots of good knowledge so have to sift through it like anything.
Mikenlaura...I refuse to miss your blogs, gaining everytime. (i confess i covet your stars :) |
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Mike this blog is very though provoking. Thank you for taking the time to write your thoughts on the subject. I for one LOVE the dialogue. I laugh at Michael's"punctuations" I was thinking that was a residue of the "hippie days" in him, you know the "jerking of the fingers" LOL!. but then he explained that he likes to"stir us up like a washing machine" hahahaha. He does not like "laid back Christians"? Michael you can stir me up with good dialogue anytime. Margie I LOVE your "boldness" you are a "warrior in the kingdom". Brother Todd - I love the way you apply wisdom to the Word you have a Solomon Spirit. Terry, you are such a sweetheart, I Iove your childlike enthusiasm and need to hear it over and over You are an encourager. Missions Minded that is your gift and you do it so well! MichaelATL43 you use your gift of wisdom beautifully when needed you speak the right words. Forgiven I love your boldness I am sure happy you decided to stay a while longer we need you. Firefly you make me laugh you are so sweet you use your gift of healing and mending wisely. Rebel with a cause I love your wisdom and your honesty in letting us know what you are going through and I know that you have brought healing to many because what you are going through is for that purpose. No pain no gain. Hang in there sister help is on the way. Wolf spirit child I am happy you decide to stay be encouraged we love you like any family there is ups and downs. Steve Bee you have brought me much blessings with your blogs and your responses to other's blogs. DENISE you have a sweet spirit of compassion and unique insight keep sharing with us we need it.
Finally, I am here to learn and grow in Spiritual things and as a student of the Word I MUST have a teachable spirit. Father said whom He loves He chastens and points out faults and I believe He will use other believers to get the job done. No milk for me I need strong word!
Love you all. Have a blessed Day full of agape' love for yourselves and others. |
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Another "hammer - nail" blog, Sir!
VERY interesting thoughts on the "too much" - hope to see this in a blog.
Terry, I feel the same way- I love this family! |
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| Good one Bro!!! |
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| JFH (Juanita), no worries sis about sucking people dry....at least, ya can't do that to me. At times I've devoted MUCH time behond the scenes to specific ppl with great needs....thus leaving little time to blog, comment, read, etc.... But that's where God has me. I CANNOT ignore people. Simply can't. (Even if someone is stirring trouble, being discouraging, etc., it's good to deal with them, at least if it's going on in my own blog.) Regarding your "entertainment, study group and family in one", they ALL sound like GREAT reasons to be here!!!! |
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Doyle, you da man! Always a pleasant word. Like....a honeycomb!!! You are needed.
Thanks PT. Don't worry about it, you couldn't offend if you tried. Well, you couldn't offend me.
Bubbles....hmm, I'll think about that. Stevie indeed had much to respond to, don't know why that jumped out at me...
Marcia....ahh, a student of PEOPLE. Your ability to read blogs and draw conclusions on the heart behind them is rather amazing, sister. And like I said on your blog, your willingness to go where few others go (blogs of ppl you don't know) is very very appreciated, by more ppl than you'll know! |
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Can I amen Remarkable? and GREAT Mr. Mike...we weren't told it would be easy eh?
*Suga can't imagine leaving, so you are stuck with me* |
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Terry, my neighbor.... A reason, a season, a lifetime.... gives us much to think about. When relationships end due to circumstances beyond our control (but within God's), it would be best to ponder why God brought so and so into our lives... We can learn much, w/o getting resentful (which is never God's will). Every relationship I am in, I pray is for a lifetime, in some form or another!
Thanks so much for returning and adding that! |
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| Suga...being stuck w/you will be a pleasure! |
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| (thx Keith....I think that I overlooked your comment bro // sorry!) |
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most excellent post... as always. So here is a question.. how did we all get here? to My Church? Ever notice how the Father brings about situations and circumstances in order for us to be somewhere He wants us. I came here to My Church from going to a certain local church, did not stay, but found this site because of it. Will I leave?? I can not say, I don't plan on it, but tomorrow is not here yet, my Internet is still on today, the laws of the land have not outlawed this site yet, so as for today, I plan on staying! |
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When I first started to blog on MyChurch, I was very skeptical about what I could write about, people who were reading it, etc. As time wore on and I became acquainted with the ins and outs of this particular site and the people involved I FELL IN LOVE... God has put together an awesome bunch of brothers and sisters who sometimes agree to not agree but steadfastly maintain their Faith and Belief in our Father.
We all tend to flow in and out because of different reasons, but I believe there is a core of people on this site who believes they are here for a reason. It may not be quite evident as to what that reason is, but it continues to draw us back to share, cry, encourage, praise, worship, and love one another.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF MY FRIENDS HERE. You have lifted me in times when the world seemed to be upside down and nothing was going right. You continue to strengthen me with the Word, encourage me to go that extra mile in sharing my experiences and sometimes kooky revelations.
God has a reason and a purpose for providing us with this venue to share his Word and I intend to take advantage of it every chance I get.....
Much Love to All |
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Gary, thanx bro! And yes, Father does move us here and there, it's rather amazing! How did I get here? Laura created the account, who knows why, and I've been using it almost daily ever since.... approaching 2 yrs now!
Mary, when we "share, cry, encourage, praise, worship, and love one another", the Lord is workin on us through others, and it is amazing to be a part of it. Thanks for being God's instrument on here! |
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Excellent blog...I've seen and experienced all of those excuses. But the actual reason that people leave is because they are trying to be their own Lord and are partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil rather than the tree of life. Those very real problems prompted Paul, Peter, John, and James to write letters to the assemblies of their day; they didn't view them as an excuse to look for another assembly that will never exist--until the Lord returns anyway. Let's just pretend that Jesus really is actually Lord and that you don't get to choose where you fellowship, where you work, where you live, etc. [OK, are you pretending now?] So in this pretend world there would only be one reason to leave and go somewhere else wouldn't there? It would be because your LORD told you too. And there would be only one reason to stay wouldn't there? It would be because your LORD told you too. And now let's just pretend that He is the one who builds the Church [assemblies] and not us; lets just pretend that He is the one who removes the lamp stands, if necessary, and not us! How would that affect our attitude, our expectations? Perhaps our teachers and preachers are building false expectations in people. Perhaps they all are not telling us the truth about how we exist for God, God does not exist for us. Perhaps we should be salt and light were He puts us and we should be thankful for all the problems because they are merely an opportunity for Him to demonstrate His Lordship, His strength through our weaknesses. Actually a wonderful and awesome adventure because we clearly see that we cannot do it without Him or for Him! Best regard,
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| Ok, y'all are stuck with me, whether ya like it or not! This site has been such a blessing to me. I can write here, something that is in me that I've found no outlet for until MC. It's great for me, because there are days when Ken's MS is flaring. Although, my 85 year old mom calls y'all my imaginary friends....you're all very real! And I do love you people!!!!!! |
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Excellent!! Christian fellowship is so vital and important..I dont think God would ever tell anyone to leave..unless He showed a specific place to go to...I know in my "real" church, to many people who have been apart of our church..for years..just decided to get up and leave..for no one reason..except..that it was maybe to hard? God didnt open a different door yet...and I cant say how much it hurt to see friends, brothers and sisters leave..to walk away from years of good christian fellowship together. I absolutely LOVE and adore every person on mychurch...I consider you all God-sends...its been an amazing adventure getting to know y'all...I look forward to reading and studying each persons blogs...I LOVE it!!!! I could never imagine leaving..will it be difficult sometimes? you betcha..we do not all think the same..hold up, let me rephrase that..no one thinks the same. But when personal opinions divide us, what should keep us together is our same passion and love for God..that trumps any petty disagreements we may have with each other. This was another brilliant blog. =) |
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| Wow. I think you've outdone yourself with this one Mike. Such truths. I hope more people read this. It's powerful. |
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Mike I have had people leave, they never say anything they are just gone, makes you wonder what you did.
I had one that deleted me twice then came back again we'll aee how long this person stays this time...lol. funny how that works...
I don't always get to read all the blogs because of my illness, but try to catch up when I can, but I try to send blessing when I can... Good blog as always, good advise. I learn a lot from you... I hope your day is the best, |
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Thanks Loren. Written last week, touched up over the weekend. Written upon discovering a much-valued, longtime friend had deleted their MyChurch profile. I have an email address and will keep in touch, but communication will be far less, since I won't be seeing their face on her daily. (Speaking of faces...wondering if the Ricky/Lucy thing has outlived it's purpose? Nah!) Charity, are you really a 40-something, lifelong believer masquerading as youngster??? Very mature observations, lil sis! CindyLou, very glad to be stuck w/you!! I can think of about a million things worse, no make that a zillion! Craig, can we stop pretending? LOL Seriously, I appreciate your analysis. Some are lead by the Lord to leave (church, website, whatever fellowship they're in), others leave w/o following God. In both cases there is sadness. (we still miss em!) But there is much more consolation in the 1st case! |
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| Marilyn, you are as faithful as any I've known. And a blessing to many. Thanks, and glad you've hung in there! |
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Mike n Laura, yes you can stop pretending! LOL! Actually, I figured that you stopped that long ago. :-) I am thinking of doing a blog on pretending however; Lord willing! How would our prayers be different if we pretended that what he has already told us about any given circumstance was really true. I love prayer meetings because people pray from what they actually believe in their hearts...and it is absolutely amazing how many of us believe that we are God's councilors! He just wouldn't know what to do if we didn't enumerate it for Him. :-) That's a free preview. :-) Yours in Him,
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| Mike, this is SO great!!!! We have all seen this here on MC, as well as in our own home churches. In the end, I think that all of these reasons boil down to us making it about us instead of about Him! |
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| Awesome post Bro! Right on. Instead of saying, "Woo is me" let's ask "What can I do to be a blessing and contribute positively?" Instead of looking at what others are doing wrong, look within. Besides, if any church or organization were perfect the second we stepped in that would all change! And disagreeing with someone doesn't make us right and them wrong. Does it? |
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Carol, thanks. The circumstances surrounding leaving often make it CLEAR that it is more about the leaver than it is about the Lord! (i.e. I agree w/you) Craig, interesting observation! I would look forward to that blog. |
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| Here's a big reason to stay...you never know who's reading and not commenting out there...sometimes you're touching and encouraging people who never let you know...but then one day you disappear and your daily dose of encouragement goes with you. Someone you didn't even know is saddened to have lost something important in their day. |
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| I had many of those feelings when I left our churdh to find something better. But I came to realise that I was just running. I am back at the church that I left and it is home! I love the people and the leadership! Thank you God! |
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Sue, I agree! (that means you're right, lol) You've stated the key to recognizing those who are faithfully following the Lord, IMHO...those who demonstrate the attitude of "What can I do to be a blessing and contribute positively?" How many reasons did our Lord Jesus have to quit his mission? Oh, I'd say a lot! But fortunately he saw GREATER reasons to persevere. *** Just a general reiteration, nobody is saying that everyone who leaves their church, MyChurch, etc., has done so apart from the Lord's guidance. |
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Ken....wow! That's a humble, mature comment! You need to be careful, people might actually learn a valuable lesson from you! Birdie... the Lord thinks of those things so we don't have to. Amen? Thanks for your perspective! |
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LOL- maybe just a short reprieve Mikey... like you did before
Just to remind us what you look like |
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Mike,
We don't know how we'll react to a given condition until it presents itself. You published this blog this morning and you already have 52+ comments. What if that went away? How would you react? Nobody knows.
I've got to agree with MichaelATL43 sometimes you have to retreat to the Mount of Olives for awhile. The amount of doubt and unbelief coming out of the typical pulpit is enough to wear anyone out.
MichaelATL43 mentioned to me the other day that a dear member of MyChurch isn't here anymore. She was a very nice lady but something happened and now she's gone.
I'm not such a nice person (as if that has anything to do with it) but I recently left a congregation I had been attending for about a year. My reasons are my typical reasons - doubt and unbelief. It's not the first congregation I have walked away from. But this time, I seem to have found a body of people who are of "like precious faith". It's a charismatic church of Christ (if that's possible). They are not ashamed or afraid of the Holy Spirit and they believe God like I do! It is SO refreshing!
Peace,
Rob |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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| I thank God for the fellowship of mychurch. I have no words to describe how mychurch has impacted me. You all are MY FRIENDS, I confide in you all, I recieve encouragement, I am a better minister, b/c of you, Mike, Todd, Stu, Angela, Racquel, Penny, Micheal Atl, Beauty...the list goes on and on. You all have touched my life. I need the realness-sincerity and ministry of mychurch so I can minister unburdened to the people I serve. If some leave; honestly, I wish them God-speed! This is not myspace, facebook, or just a "social" site; mychurch is a ministry, and only a remnant of us have been called here both to minister and be ministered to. By the way, good-thought-provoking blog, my friend! |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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| Excellent blog Mike! I was one of the "leavers" from the church I used to attend. It was an Episcopal church, and I had gone there all my life. Still, I didn't feel like I "belonged" there. And I do believe the Lord was telling me to move on. The church later suffered some serious problems when the minister was forced out and there was a lot of division in the church. This happened after we had left, which I am thankful for. We went to a few other churches, but when we went to the one that we now attend, we both knew we had "come home", and I haven't ever regretted the decision to leave the church I was attending. Sometimes change is good, if the church isn't meeting your needs. I love the church I now attend, and I am so thankful that God led us there. |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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| I haven't left but just not able to stay on as much.... thanks Mike for all that you do to encourage others...you truly are a blessing |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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| Mike, I have visited many denominations and not yet found one that is 100% correct in doctrine or practice. I know too many friends who have left churches and no longer go. A Catholic friend left because they were always putting pressure on for money. A Pentecostal friend left because the tongues thing had become an outward show and competition. A United Methodist friend left because they allowed practicing homosexuals to attend. A Baptist friend left because they started playing rock and roll worship music. I could go on. I attend church. I grieve over the false doctrines, useless traditions and fads which creep in. I tell them bluntly when pressured to conform that I will not kow-tow to heresy, legalism, man-made teachings or silly fads. However, should I leave? No. I am called to fellowship and to be a light. As a theologian, I am called to serve by rightly teaching the Bible. Whenever I am given the opportunity, I teach as best I know how. When ignored because leaders feel threatened by truth, I keep silence. Am I often frustrated? Yes. Am I leaving? No. Where to go to church then? That's a matter for prayer. When God leads me somewhere, I don't always know why. But where he leads I will attempt to follow as best I know how. I know that wherever I am led, the church will be imperfect, both in doctrine and practice. A high priority for me is to be loved and I pray that will be the case in my next church when we move back home. |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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Hey Grant, you've been reading my mail!!!
I've found great peace in the fact that all the Epistles were written because there wasn't a perfect assembly back then either; in fact I now look at it all as a wonderful adventure because I actually believe that apart from Him I can do nothing and there is nothing that He can't do through me. If I want to be a part of the solution then I have to let Him be who He is through me where I am.
The sower sow the word.
Blessings!
Craig |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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Dear MIke,
You and I have seen people we care about leave, and there hasn't been a thing that we could do about it.
I think that people need more than a star every once in while... they need "connections" to other people. I think about how massive MyChurch has become, and what an opportunity we all have to touch a life. To make a difference. I'm not one to argue. I blog in simple words, and every word has a meaning.
MyChurch has made a difference in my own life. It opened an outlet for me to write, and to be able to pray for people I don't know. Being here... is a very real experience, and I have never wanted to leave.
It is my home; my sanctuary... |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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I Praise God for mychurch,it's one of the few things I can
fellowship with my brothers and sisters Thank you for being a blessing |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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Thank you for adding that, Cathy! Joey, the more folks who are mobilized to give more than a star, the better! Yes, I've seen the need too. Grant, the Church needs more like you who are determined to stay and work for renewal and revival. Thanks for sharing your example. Denise, hope you don't go far sister. Carrie Ann, thanks sister. Prayers go with you. |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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Rob, Michael's point was good, we all need the occasional retreat. Deb, clearly God called you out of one situation into another. From your account, it doesn't seem like that was an impulsive move on your part. Starr, thank you, and glad you were called to minister! |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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| Personally when I get down in the dumps so to speak, I cave or retreat. If you haven't heard from me, I am in need. With that in mind, I go after those who have disappeared to make sure they are ok. That may be due to losing a husband and son to suicide that I take it seriously when someone is carrying a heavy burden. If they are backsliding and sinning then this site would be bothersome to them. The biggest lie that satan tells is that we aren't worthy or restoration. I remember hating to hear a preacher on the radio or tv and would turn the channel quickly as it convicted when I was backslidden. Restoration can be instantaneous and the joy of returning to the Father is hard to describe unless you have been there. Bet you all know what I mean. |
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| November 12, 2008 |
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Well as one who shows up more or less... less right now, let me add something. I've been around less because I've been connecting in other ways. That and I haven't had a whole lot of long things to write. And haven't had a whole lot of time to do lots of reading (which I think would also lead to writing). What I'm amazed that no one has mentioned in this day and age is "time". We all get involved in things which consume, complicate and change our lives. Balance is important. A good example is that 5 out of the last 7 weeks, I haven't been at my home church Sunday morning. That sounds terrible and if it had to last a long time it would be. However my schedule was out of town wedding, convention, At Church, visiting friends, At Church, at my old church (building dedication), celebrating 15 years of marriage (and visiting friends). |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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Juanita, that is truly Christlike, to go out and seek the wandering sheep. Blessed joy when they return!
Norm, buddy quit tryin to make excuses! (lol - you KNOW I'm kidding) Your wit and intellect are missed, dude. In fact, Joe and Carol were thinkin of shutting down the site cuz it almost isn't worth it w/o you. (lol) Seriously you are missed. And you make a great point, time. I didn't mention it in the blog b/c I was focusing on choices and alternatives. The time factor can leave little choice, as you know. God bless you bro. |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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If they were thinking of shutting the site down because of little ol' me not being around, think what heaven will be like! (I have no idea what that means.) However on the subject of time, what we have time for is the ultimate display of the choices we make. If we say we don't have time to someone's request, what we are really saying is that there is something else more important than what you are asking me to do. |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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Hey EarthenVessel,
Try this slight adjustment, okay? Does the bible say that Christ can do all things through me?
in fact I now look at it all as a wonderful adventure because I actually believe that apart from Him I can do nothing and there is nothing that He can't do through me.
Am I straining at gnats or is this an important distinction?
Rob |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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Hi Rob! Yes, it is spoken to in several ways (we logically "and" these scriptures and we have a clearer picture of the truth): 15:18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has wrought through me to win obedience from the Gentiles, by word and deed, 4:12 I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound; in any and all circumstances I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and want. 4:13 I can do all things in him who strengthens me. There are many others such as: 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. And speaking to the fact that Jesus is our example...not an example for us to imitate in the sense that "we" are going to produce a life like his; but an example of how to live the Christian life: 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs which God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know-- 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 2:13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. From my experience and perspective the vast majority of Christians are expecting God to give them the power to live the Christian life; that is: He is in the bleachers and He'll just give us supernatural ability and then we can handle it. So our teachers teach us that the Holy Spirit empowers "us" to live "for" Jesus...and of course...ah...it doesn't happen. The Holy Spirit produces the fruit through us as we trust in Christ who is our life. His power is made perfect in our weaknesses...He gets all the glory. I believe that when we emphasize "I" can do all things though Christ who strengths "me" we tend to ask God to bless our plans and expect God to give us the ability to essentially be God. We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us...but not by acting on our own initiative. Christ himself is our strength. When you focus on that one verse to the exclusion of all else then I think it's easy to come to a false conclusion. Make sense? I'm thinking that you are struggling with the thought that this is all passive. We're passive...just waiting for God to do something through us. No, faith is active in whatever circumstances we are walking into today. It's Peter getting out of the boat on the word "Come!" We have to have an active relationship with God through Christ so that we don't get out of the boat on our own initiative but by His prompting, we ask Him "Lord if this is you...tell me..." We are not given a superhuman ability but it is God who is in us both to will and to do. That is why we are never impressed with ourselves and we are never threatened by the gifts of others. :-) Blessings!
Craig |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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| I read your blog entry and I believe you just about covered it my friend.I have belonged to New Life for 12 years and have seen many come and go.All the reasons you listed were given.The thing that gets me is most,not all, of the people who left didn't bother to let anyone know why.So as time went by,if the church had known,we could have ministered to them.While not all things may have been reconcilable,most would have.I believe the Devil shows up every Sunday and distorts the Word,let's a person think too many contemporary worship songs are being used and not enough hymns.To make one think ole so and so didn't shake my hand this morning or the announcements didn't thank me for the work I did this week but thanked Mrs.church favorite just like they do all the time.How about one of the all time favorites"you didn't mention my family during the prayer requests"!!These of course are just variations of what you listed.You know an idea for your next blog???What are you people who are here,DOING HERE???You know are you learning to be disciples or just warming the pew etc....Just a thought.Good stuff as usual...Jimmie |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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Great comment Jimmie, thanks for adding it here!
Norm....yep! |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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| Hmmmmm.... thought provoking and a lot easier said than done...I didn't have time to read all the comments but you sure did get a lot of peoples attention on this one! |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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| thx Angela! What? Didn't read the comments??? The blog itself pales in comparison to these awesome comments!! :-) |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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| You are so on target for so many I've met over the years. |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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| I'm in the dark about all of this but hope no one thinks "Cheryl from GA" has left.... no way.... just a lot going on but checking in..., love to all! |
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| November 13, 2008 |
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Hey Cheryl from GA! Thanks for checkin in! Mi Cancion (Kim), thanks sister! |
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| November 14, 2008 |
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| Thank you Mike...beautifully written with such wisdom as usual. I love how you give such a thorough understanding of why people leave while offering the positive, Christ Center, way we should respond. |
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| November 16, 2008 |
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Some stay because after all that stuff Mike and Laura asked them too!!!!
God Bless you my Friend. |
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| November 16, 2008 |
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That's true, and Mike looks just like Desiderio Alberto Arnaz y de Acha III(Desi Arnaz) and Laura looks just like Lucille Ball! Amazing coincidence! :-) lol!
Craig |
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| November 16, 2008 |
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Hey, at least I'm not afraid to ask, Dan! :-) Craig, the resemblance is uncanny, isn't it?? ;-) |
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| November 17, 2008 |
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I probably wouldn't still be on this site for the reasons you shared ...But because you werent afraid to say "Hang in there Dan, We want you hear".. I'm still here and exploring the posibilities of the positive responses you also listed.
I dont think any of us could answer the question ,"What would Jesus Blog"?
What would Jesus Drive?
We do know he likes japanese imports because the disciples," were all in one accord"(budump-bump)
Love you man |
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| November 17, 2008 |
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...all in one accord...LOL!
(Thanks Dan!) |
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| November 17, 2008 |
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Wow, Why do people leave? I am sure that many leave for the wrong reasons...but I am also sure that other have prayed and sought Jesus for an answer. I so enjoyed the comment by Remarkable Terry "A reason, A Season or a Lifetime". Profound. I believe that just as in relationships (one on one) it is that way here as well. I know that for me when I first came to my church I was here every day, and many times in a day. I still enjoy reading and sharing but the seaon has changed for me. I am not here as much as I used to be. It is not because I am offended or hurt....life has changed and that is how life goes. For people who leave "offended" they are the ones who carry that with them and pay the price.
We do have a responsibilty to speak the truth in love...opinions are a dime a dozen. Many times we need to keep them to ourselves unless asked!
I am not leaving but the season has changed. I may not write or comment as much but I still check in and pray!!!
~Robin |
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| November 18, 2008 |
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| Great comment Robin. You might also take a look at another blog of mine, Phases of MyChurch usage. In fact, your comment is similar to many that were posted there, as is Terry's. |
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| November 20, 2008 |
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... and some just get caught up in some dead-end, entry-level job at a parts house where you're underpaid, underappreciated, and misunderstood cause your hair is too long and your sleeves are too short. Shew! Glad I got that one off my chest.
I sure am glad I didn't leave... I'd miss them ole golden wisdom nuggets that your fingers flick right onto the keyboard and into our hearts.
Bless you bro! |
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| November 20, 2008 |
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| LOL! Never thought of it that way Rich! (flicking nuggets onto the keyboard....doesn't sound right, man) |
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| November 21, 2008 |
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If I were in this for me, I would have left before I had even gotten started. Any "Church" is like this... you either come to give, or you come to receive: It's that simple.
Being a minister is our Christian duty: One of JOY and real significance, since our reward comes from HIM.
Sometimes parting ways can bear much fruit, but only when it is done by God's leading.
God bless you Mike. |
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| November 21, 2008 |
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"Being a minister is our Christian duty: One of JOY and real significance, since our reward comes from HIM." I believe this too Tonya. And most of us who aren't, I believe the Lord's desire is for us to mature to the point of being ready to minister. Thanks Tonya, good to hear from ya. |
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| November 21, 2008 |
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Real talk..speak it Mike..we must decrease..so He can increase.
I think too many, just write to feel knowledgeable.
with no real understand of what fellowship means,
or know any other way, to interact, without conflict.
God is a peace maker, and if we are to walk in His
light, we are to follow His instructions..but Mike..
know this..in every garden..there is a snake.
I love you..I know this is an old one, but it's make up
day..(smile)... |
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| November 21, 2008 |
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| flicking nuggets on your keyboard, had a real belly roll on that one... hahahehehahahehehehaha (ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww) |
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| November 22, 2008 |
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There is a very important reason why I go to church. Jesus invited me, and he will be there. |
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| November 22, 2008 |
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| YES GRANT!!! |
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| November 24, 2008 |
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| Hey Little Brother don't count me down and out yet.....Hehehe....I'm not gone just living in a lack of time right now.....I had a lady call me an oreo the other day because i'm between caring for grandkids and parents that's a cool way to look at it i guess but it really did make me hungry for those double chocolate oreo's....hehehe.....They say life begins at fourty well enjoy because it all changes at 50 and you get really really busy.........I'm ready to retire but life just won't let me......so you just never know when i'll be on here so don't you go anywhere and remember that i think of all of you often...luv to all.Rosie |
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| November 26, 2008 |
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Love all the comments. I wish I could leave more comments to the wonderful blogs that inspire me, however, I have dial up internet & there are so many things I am unable to do; for instance listen to U Tube, Pastor Dave's sermons, & most importantly leave messages. If someone requests prayer under prayer request I am able to leave a comment there. When I star a blog, it can mean Amen & amen, way to go, Praise the Lord, or standing in agreement. I was reluctant to join MyChurch, however, it has been such a blessing. I pray for those who leave (I know of one) that God will touch them & reveal what only He can reveal. I do apologize for using update memo so much, however, if I want to thank someone or leave a special prayer, this is how I am able to do it. My brothers & sisters in Christ, may God bless each & everyone of you, in the name of Jesus.
We are all one in the Spirit & are called upon to encourage one another, not tear one another down. We all have had experiences that can & should be shared that God has brought us through. God commands that we love one another!!!!!! |
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