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To add a comment to "Jeremiah 29:11"

Mike n Laura
June 16, 2007 at 9:08pm
Ah, the importance of context. Definitely an oft misused passage... ~mike

ps... This will likely not be a popular blog, I wouldn't count on too many stars. :-(
voice_in_dc
June 16, 2007 at 9:23pm
It doesn’t match up with reality If God’s plan were to bless his followers, why isn’t He doing this? <==Careful here. You are sounding like Job. Who are we to say He isn't blessing us even in our valleys of the shadow of death?  The blessing is for His glory. Most the time our perspective is wrong.

God was not speaking to all people for all time; he was speaking to the exiles. <==Or better yet, strangers in a strange land...those who were in a world, but not to be a part of it...wait, that is us, too.  Ummm...

The scripture is full of types and shadows that are for us today. This is one of them. Even when we go through tough times, we are reminded that God has a plan for us...to prosper us...not to harm us. All things work together for His glory, His good, not ours... and that is prosperity at its peak - see Job.

While your explanation here is very good, we can't lose sight that this scripture is just as real for us today as it was then for them.  Regarding martyrs, I have often wondered if we knew that the suffering we are going through was going to result in an entire nation turning to Christ, would we say it is good? Would we say "no harm done?"  Well, if not an entire nation, what about one family? What about one person?  If that (spreading the Gospel) is truly what we are living for, then a reminder when we are going through the rough times that His plans are to prosper us, not harm us, but to give us peace...well, that might be all we need to make it through one more day in the valley.

While I agree with much of what you have written here, I refuse to sell short the value of scripture that is the same yesterday, today, and forever for it never returns void.




ccanuck
June 16, 2007 at 9:38pm
I agree on the Job reference and maybe I could work on the wording more, this is why I like responses.  The blessing that God may give us is simply the supernatural ability to go through the persecution or the valleys.  This is the peace that surpasses all understanding.

The scripture is holistically real for us, but not specifically real.  There are a myriad of other verses that tell us of God's desire to bless us and pour out his love on us.  This verse though has been used in a corrupted fashion to tell people God wants to give them that new house, he might or he might not. 

I wrote this as a specific response to teaching that I disagreed with, looking for a refining of the arguement, thanks for the response...it helps!
voice_in_dc
June 16, 2007 at 9:44pm
 
"This verse though has been used in a corrupted fashion to tell people God wants to give them that new house, he might or he might not"

Totally agree with you here. To "prosper us" is what is often misunderstood. Prosperity in God's terms is measured in souls...we don't usually think of it that way...and when it is taught that way, I tell people to be careful that they are not using God's name in vain.<==Something I learned from my Pastor Shawn.
Ian
September 13, 2008 at 2:46am

Only six verses later, there's a verse that doesn't look very good as an embroidered wall-hanging:

Jer 29:17 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, behold, I am sending on them sword, famine, and pestilence, and I will make them like vile figs that are so rotten they cannot be eaten.

Imagine seeing that verse quoted, on its own, as frequently as verse 11.  We would be portraying quite a different God!  So indeed, we must take care when we take an individual verse out of context, asking ourselves how it would look if we did the same to other verses.

Interesting also: As the reader, you knew whether which of verses 11 or 17 applied to you, on the basis of which prophet you heeded as the true prophet (Jeremiah), and which prophet you identified as the false prophet (e.g. Hananiah; read Jer 28).  And ironically, the true prophet was predicting unpleasant things for the short term (if you consider 70 years to be "short term"!), while the false prophet was predicting pleasant, "shalom" things.  So not only is context important; so is perspective.

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