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What are you eating or drinking?
||January 07, 2009|300 reads
 

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Craig
January 07, 2009

Hi Lori and everyone!

You wrote:

Why do we see different levels of maturity all through the body, WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL ON MILK after a year of being saved....IT SHOULD NOT BE SO....but the answer is clear in scripture...

I'm thinking that the verse doesn't answer the why but is rather an admonishment speaking to the fact.  The "why" has more to do, in my thinking, with "it's just the way things are in a fallen world."  I am reminded of the parable of the sower.  The word is always the same but it has different results because of the place where it falls.  Hard ground = heard heart, rocks = persecution because of the word, weeds = cares of this life, and then there is the ground good ground too.  But even the results of the good ground vary—I think because of the measure of faith given as it is written in Romans:

Romans 12:3-6
3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. 4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;

Anyway that's only if the "word" is good word in the first place!!!  If all the word we get is "milk" or "a different good news" then, I believe, we have the problem you are speaking to Lori.

[I hope to not get off on the rabbit trail about "the measure of faith" supposedly being the same for all believers…I don't believe that allows for the fact that faith is also mentioned as a gift of the Spirit and also "comes by hearing."  I've also had enough rhema's to know that faith comes with that word.  End of rabbit trail.  :-)  LOL!  Guess I started it myself.]

I also have experienced a great deal of frustration, in the past, because I expected everyone to be where I was and to have the same passion and enthusiasm that I did.  Until I went through some hard times and ended up in the midst of the weeds myself!

Lori, you continued with:

Do you all see some things here?  First of all God's expectation is that we become teachers...

That's a great point and something for me to think about because I would tend to attribute that expectation to us rather than to God since He knows the true nature of man, both fallen and redeemed.  But the writer of Hebrews says what he says and so it's true!  :-)

Lori, you continue:

I am one of those Christians that believe a Christians life should look so different it makes the world really curious...that is what gives us the opportunity to teach others...

Yeah! How could it be any different if it's all true and we really are the temple of the Holy Spirit, the physical body of Christ, He really is our life, and God really is in us both to will and to do his good pleasure!  But I have noticed over the years that the revelation to me that most believers aren't there; and my revelation to them of that fact does not have a positive result.  I've come to realize it is because they end up fleeing from the light and end up going toward some pseudo-gospel that allows them to remain exactly as they are!  I personally believe that, that is the judgment that Peter said begins in the House of God.  If we run from the light we will end up in darkness. How many people do you know who are like a minefield, where you have to tiptoe around them because they are just looking for an excuse to take offence? No criticism, whether is constructive or not is allowed!

I also am reminded of the Church of Ephesus' having all that revelation, teaching, and doing all those good things but having actually lost their first love!  To the point that the Lord said that if they didn't change their mind He would remove their lamp stand!  Who can hear that word?  And then the church at Laodicea! The Lord knocking on the door—of the church—in effect saying "Is there anyone in there that can still hear me? Come out to me and we'll start a new church!"

Lori, you bring up the fact:

I know when my children were babies/toddlers I had to teach them right from wrong and good from evil

This points to several other lacks: the lack of covenant relationship and the lack of discipleship.  I've seen many folks leave churches because the Pastor started to touch on their pet sin or because he didn't!  That is how it is today; if we don't like the way things are done then we go look until we find a place where it's done our way.  In this example your children were in a covenant relationship with you (you were their legal guardian) and it didn't matter that their feelings were hurt because you loved them enough to discipline them and point them in the right direction! [I'm always interested in watching how people respond to being rebuked—rightly or wrongly—because their response is an indication of their maturity or lack of it.]

Lori, you also ask a good question:

What are you dwelling on with your heart, what consumes you?  Is it the corporate ladder, making money in a slumping economy, always being right, being in control all the time…

Again, that is back to the "cares of this life, the desire for other things" that choke the word.  The word then bears no fruit!  Then we either say "It doesn't work" or "It's not God will!"  Anything to justify ourselves; anything to justify why our life does not line up with the lives Paul and company!  We invent a doctrine to allow us to stay exactly the way we are!

Wow Lori, this is a good one:

Let me ask some pointed questions....How much & what kind of TV do you watch, what music do you listen to, where are your thoughts through the day dwelling, what do you talk about the most, what errands are you constantly on? What do you do the greatest portion of the day?  This is not meant for people to feel condemned we are to raise our children and be connected and involved, we are to love our spouse and dedicate time to them on a consistent basis, we are to be good employees, BUT in doing all those things you can still be meditating on "His way of doing things and being right"....

Ah…we've defined the problem but the real question—to me—is not what am I doing that is wrong, but why am I doing wrong!  But acknowledging the truth is the very first step in the solution!  Jesus is the answer!  Really? So what is the question!?  Until we ask the question we will never be given the answer.  When we walk in the light we have fellowship with one another.  If I have no fellowship then it just might be that I am not walking in the light.  If we walk by the Spirit we will not carry out the desire of the flesh.  If I am carrying out the desire of the flesh then I am not walking in the Spirit.  My next question will be how do I walk in the Spirit?  Go to church more, read my Bible more, get involved in more church activates?  No!  It's like you said Lori, we have to seek HIM and HIS kingdom…then all the rest will fall into place.

Trying to do the correct behavior is just a new years resolution…it will fade in a few weeks when fail to achieve it.  Coming into Him and letting Him be LORD in us will lead to a behavior that won't fade because it won't be us trying to be something it will be Him being himself through us.

I know because I've been in the place where I ran from the light!  I ran because I saw the admonishment as being just another appeal for me to try and live up to a standard of behavior that I had already failed at trying to achieve before, in the first place.  So, lots of people get in these problems because they are not being fed solid food…but the elementary principles of the world [Christian self help].  Over many years the Lord has opened my eyes to the fact that I am who He says I am in Him, and He is who He said He would be in me.  If we're thirsty then the only place we can go is to Him asking Him to show us what the real problem is.

You end with:

I'm going to follow this blog with some candid ways we can all dwell in Him…

Awesome!  Looking forward to it!

Your brother in Him,
Craig

Tonya Price
January 07, 2009

Lori, you make a good point here.  Jesus says to us, "seek, knock and ask" (Matthew 7:7-8) which means we aren't going to find Him unless we are actively open to finding Him.  Sometimes the journey involves some serious wrestling with God (see Jacob's wrestling match- Genesis 32:22-32) in which there will be pain and injury and scars.  Effort is required of us, as well as is sacrifice. Meatloaf (yes I am dating myself in quoting a 70's pop-metal rocker) once put it as,"There ain't no Coupe DeVille in a cracker jack box."  While we cannot earn or deserve God's mercy and love and grace, He isn't going to shove it down our throats, and we are not going to learn and grow and develop apart from struggle and conflict and disappointment and suffering.  His abundant life is right there for us to discover.  He invites us to His transformation, His rest, His fulfillment- but we have to be open to Him, and we have to be willing to hang on tight, trusting in His blessing.

Joyful Servant
January 07, 2009
Wonderful teaching from you Lori and from brother Earthen Vessel. Lori I also enjoy the Mum song on your profile. That was hilarious. I'm not a biological mom but was mom to my nephew...that song I could relate too, lol. Thanks for sharing.
Loriinfj
January 07, 2009
Wow!  THANKS you guys for great commentaries...

Craigfor once I can really add nothing here ;) but to say THANK YOU so much for taking the time to expand all that and noticeably really reading what I wrote and adding SO MUCH TO IT.  I appreciate it brother cause sometimes this is a hard thing to swallow....

Tonya THANK YOU.  You wrote an extremely thought out and touching blog today, I really appreciate your response to mine..."Effort is required of us, as well as is sacrifice. Meatloaf (yes I am dating myself in quoting a 70's pop-metal rocker) once put it as,"There ain't no Coupe DeVille in a cracker jack box."  While we cannot earn or deserve God's mercy and love and grace, He isn't going to shove it down our throats, and we are not going to learn and grow and develop apart from struggle and conflict and disappointment and suffering."  I love what a gentleman the Lord is but sometimes I seriously wish He would use the rod a bit more...FOR OUR GOOD....I don't know if anyone on here has had a thrashing like I have (I admitedly have had many) but I have asked Him before...Please Lord, PLEASE don't ever let me forget this place or what it took to get out....don't let those scars fade so I forget about them, may I always remember this pain....cause I don't EVER want to be here again....and admitedly when I look back I was in disobedience or ignorance one being intentional and one not, but none the less ignorance is not an excuse...we simply MUST learn of God and His ways....IT PROTECTS US...

I'm going to digress to a funny story that my son tells, in fact he told it in his English class a few years ago much to my horror, when they were discussing a book and life-like experiences they had...the teacher called and said it was so precious to her....(you never know how they are going to respond sometimes) So here goes...My son Hunter was 4 I had asked him to do something then explained to him the "why" when he asked...and then I heard it...and the word that fell out of his mouth was "STUPID" loudly and directly.  My son says the next thing he remembers after seeing me hurdle the couch and grab him in one fell-swoop was that he was laying on his back in the bathroom with my foot keeping him in place.  I was at the sink and loading up his toothbrush...I grabbed his cheeks popping open his mouth and the next thing he knew he was getting his mouth washed out with antibacterial soap that had the little beads in it....He really didn't know what was happening at first... then I started to say to him, "Son, I am your mother, my name is never "STUPID" to you, YOU WILL RESPECT ME IN MY HOME, YOU ARE NOT WISER THAN I AM NOR WILL YOU EVER BE! The right answer is YES MAME or YES MOMMA"  After about a good minute of scrubbing I took out the toothbrush, he said for the next couple of hours those little micro-beads in the soap would pop in his mouth and taste so bitter and it was a good reminder to him NEVER to call his mama "stupid".  And since he was 4 and he is 15 almost 16 now that boy has never called me stupid again....and he told his class he never will....See that discipline was not that harsh to me but it certainly left a long impression on him....I really had no idea and had completely forgot about that until I was reminded by his teacher, BUT WE SHOULD ALL BE SO LUCKY to have God wash our mouths out when we are firstwrong to help get us on the right path and keep us there....To be honest I welcome that kind of discipline..it keeps me on the straight and narrow so to speak...My son was really innocent, he had heard that word and didn't really know what it meant, but he learned...and he learned respect at the same time....Praise God his head is not that hard...I wish mine were that soft....and that is why I ask God to remind me of the places I once traveled and the pain they caused my life, PRAISE GOD for his mercy and grace...AMEN!?? Even if it is in the form of a soap tooth-brushing...I say this too because the conflict, disappointments and struggles I have had in life are largely of my own doing, those things result when we are not following what the Lord wants us to do and in our suffering and heartache we can learn so much..that is when true character has the ability to grow like never before....at least that is what I have found.

Joyful Servant  THANK YOU for the compliment....and isn't that video a crack-up....I LOVE that thing, we have all had mothers or been one so we can all relate to that song in some form...and man some of those things are  true, and funny, and simply universal....THANK GOD for good Mom's and Dad's alike...they certainly take care of us well when we are young and dumb....and if were lucky even longer....