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Mike n Laura
July 09, 2007 at 8:26am
Bobby, so glad you shared, thank you! I've jotted you down on my prayer list.

A couple of thoughts if I may share too. It seems to me that your mother considers Catholicism a religion unto itself (like Judaism), rather than just another Christian "denomination". I've felt that way too for a long time, though I wouldn't argue the point. So she is reacting to your leaving the religion, rather than merely switching churches. So for her it is a big deal. At least that's my read.

Second, some may try to pull the "honor thy father and mother" command on you to get you to return to Catholic church. However, even Jesus Himself parted ways with His mother (Mark 3:31-35) in order to do what God had clearly instructed Him to do. It seems God has clearly directed you to come to Calvary, and I am certainly glad he did!

~mike
Bobby
July 09, 2007 at 8:49am

I believe you are right in regards to her thinking that she considers Catholicism a religion unto itself. She said a lot of negative things to me. Part of me thinks she doesn’t understand so she reacted they only way she could. I am also having problems with Honar thy mother and father. Im very stubborn……I don’t to contact her. I feel she should contact me.

Joe
July 09, 2007 at 11:36pm

Hi Bobby,

I had a very similar experience.  Raised in a Catholic home, attended a Catholic school, and had an uncle who was a Catholic priest and another relative who was a Catholic nun.  And we could trace our family lineage back to generations of Catholic martyrs in Korea.  I was also an altar boy :)

So you can imagine the uproar when I started going to "Protestant" churches and fellowships...

I still remember the look on my Mom's face when she saw me reading the Bible on my own when I was home from college... as religious as my family was, you'd never catch us reading Scripture for ourselves :)

I respect and admire many things about the Catholic Church.  But it wasn't for me.  I don't think it was really for my parents either.  I can't recall a single meaningful conversation in my parents' household about this Jesus we so religiously worshiped at Mass every Sunday.  It's fair to say we were Catholic Christian in name only...

Good luck on your spiritual journey.  From what I hear about Calvary, it sounds very much like the church I go to now.  And I thank God that I found a church where I can explore and grow in my faith...

Cathy
July 10, 2007 at 7:15am
Hi Bobby,
Joe just went through the same thing with his dad.  Joe is being ordained this Sunday as an Elder.  When Joe called his dad with the exciting news, his dad told him our church was pretty much a cult if is was not Catholic and then went on to tell him that "whatever works for you I guess is fine" and that he would not be attending the ordination. 
Mike n Laura
July 10, 2007 at 7:21am
Cathy, that is interesting. I've heard other stories like that, now that you mention it. This makes me think that there are some (maybe many?) in Catholic leadership that put this idea out there. What do you think?
Cathy
July 10, 2007 at 7:26am
I'm not quite sure about this, but the Catholic folks that I have encountered seem to feel a threat from churches other than the Catholic church.  I also noticed when I speak in terms of having a "relationship" with Christ they look at me like I have three eyeballs or something. 
Sue
July 10, 2007 at 8:25am
We are blessed to have you Bobby!  And I am happy to see you blogging!  I find that it is best to just shine the love of Christ.  And hopefully people will see the difference between religion and relationship. 
Bobby
July 10, 2007 at 8:37am

I also told my biological father of my decision of leaving the Catholic Church. He was disappointed and he told me he would pray fro me. I told him I can use all the prayers I can get. He offered the same sentiments as my mom. A friend of mine emailed me and said, “You don't need to defend your position to her, or try and convince her through words.  Just live it in front of her.  Then God and the Holy Spirit will speak to her and draw her to truth as you pray for her.  Prayer is your most powerful tool, for breaking the lies and deception that your mother has been raised to believe.”

 

I found those words comforting. I really didn’t know how to handle this with her. I’m letting God direct me.

 

Blessing to all

Bobby

Mary Ann
July 10, 2007 at 9:12am
Ah, mothers... and Catholic mothers at that... the guilt!!! :-)

I've been praying for you since Sunday Bobby. I hope you will try to reach back out to your mother. You may want to take your friend's advice and stay away from defending your position. Eventually, your mom will come to realize this isn't a phase and it's not a cult. At least, my mom finally came to that realization... although, to this day, she'd prefer me back in the Catholic church...

Love you bro!
Mary Ann
Cathy
July 10, 2007 at 9:37am
Mary Ann,
I think you would make a great nun !!!!

NOT !!!!!!
Bobby
July 10, 2007 at 10:56am

Sister Mary Ann………that’s hysterical

Ginger
July 10, 2007 at 7:53pm

Bobby,

 I grew up in the Catholic church as well, but I have to say that I'm blessed with a Catholic Mom who is a Christ Follower, so she's really fine with C3, and actually attends many C3 functions.  I have met others in her church, though that see Catholicism as the one true religion (I attended a Purpose Driven Life study at her church and listened as one of the church members asked the nun who was teaching it "You're going to teach this the right way, right?  The Catholic way...."  Sister was flabbergasted and really struggled to answer that question honestly without losing attendees.)  So, what I'm trying to say to all you bloggers is that there are Catholics (and Catholic leaders) who understand the real basis of their faith and are Christ followers and even evangelicals and do have more of a God's eye view.  Bobby, perhaps you and your mom know one who can help you two out. 

I'll be praying for you and your mom, and that you can be given the desire to just continue to just be a Christ following son to your mother without your defenses up. That really is the best testimony.

 

Mary Ann
July 11, 2007 at 3:41pm
Did someone state that there are no Christ following Catholics? I don't see it. Help me out, someone? I thought this was about the capability of non Catholics to have a true faith not visa versa. Did I miss something?
Cathy
July 11, 2007 at 4:00pm
Ginger,
What Calvary Community Church led functions has your mom been to?  I would love to meet her.  I have not seen her?  
voice_in_dc
July 11, 2007 at 4:59pm

Bobby, my wife went through a similar experience long before I met her. She is gone right now, but I will ask her to post here later.  End result is that her parents saw a real change in her that they couldn't deny. I am not saying they would come to church with us now where we dance and worship freely, but they are understanding and supportive.


Great post and thanks for sharing...

Bobby
July 11, 2007 at 5:17pm

I broke down and called my mom today. I kept it sort and sweet. I told mom that I was thinking of her and wanted to let her know that I was well. I made no mentioned of our last conversation. I can tell it was a strain for her to talk to me. But I asked myself, what Jesus would do. He would reach out to her and love her, no matter what she felt. As a Christian I knew that was what I needed to do. I reached out to my mom and told her I loved her. I pray in time she will see how much I have changed. I want to thank you for all your words of encouragement. It has been a blessing to me.

 

Bobby

Mary Ann
July 11, 2007 at 11:27pm
Bobby, you have been an encouragement to me over the past few weeks. I can see God working in your life and it is such a blessing. I pray our Heavenly Father will continue to bless you and that you will in turn be a blessing to others... including your mother :-).

Love,
Mary Ann
Cathy
July 12, 2007 at 7:23am
What she said !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bobby
July 12, 2007 at 7:44am

She didn’t say anything…..I held the conversation….i could tell she didn’t want to talk to me. I told her I loved her and that I was thinking about her. She said she was doing weel and that she was getting ready for work. The whole conversation lasted less than 2 minutes.

 

Last night I had a weird dream.  I was an adult but I was home in the house I grew up in Nevada. My parents and I were eating dinner. I knew my mom us still upset about me leaving the church. She treated me very bad in my dream. I know it was just a dream but it was weird non the less.

Cathy
July 12, 2007 at 7:48am
 I meant Mary Ann dude !!!!!
Mary Ann
July 12, 2007 at 7:53am
Moof? :-)
ali
July 12, 2007 at 8:24am

to Bobby and to all of those who have not received the fullness of Christ while in the Catholic Church:

I as a Catholic kneel before you and ask you to forgive us.

Forgive us for many times lacking horribly in charity.
Forgive us for many times getting caught up in "religion" and not telling you about Jesus.
Forgive us for the long boring non-important homilies
for the cold shoulders at church
for our lack of community
for our lack of zeal
for our sinfulness
for our laziness in study of Scripture
For not teaching the faith clearly and relevantly.

Mike n Lau, when you say:

"A couple of thoughts if I may share too. It seems to me that your mother considers Catholicism a religion unto itself (like Judaism), rather than just another Christian "denomination". I've felt that way too for a long time, though I wouldn't argue the point. So she is reacting to your leaving the religion, rather than merely switching churches. So for her it is a big deal. At least that's my read."

You are so right. That's why we mourn so profundly when someone leaves the Faith. Even though we do believe that other christian communities do follow Christ and most of them with amazing zeal our hearts break profoundly because we know that a personal relationship with Christ inside the Catholic Church is so deep, profound, and real in a way it cannot be anywhere else....

but we have no one to blame except ourselves. It is my lack of zeal, my lack of charity, my failure to explain the faith.

Even though I have no authority to say this... in the name of all catholics...

I am sorry for failing you.

May you keep walking with Christ and may He in His Love, guide you to all Truth and Joy.

Bobby
July 12, 2007 at 8:54am
LOL MOOF back to you
Sword_in_DC
July 12, 2007 at 9:52am
Hi, Bobby, and I want to continue with what Voice in DC said.  I was brought up in the Roman Catholic church.  I faithfully attended CCD classes on Sunday, Mass every week, First Communion, Confirmation, Catholic youth group, and I continued in the Church when I moved out on my own, through the first two years of college.  Then, while at college, I met Jesus Christ. 

At first I continued with attending an independent Bible study group and the local Catholic parish.  After a few months, I stopped attending the Catholic church all together.  I have been faithfully following the Lord Jesus Christ ever since, without looking back.

Like you, even though I was active and knowledgeable in the Catholic faith, I never understood how Christ'd death amd resurrection applied to me, personally. I knew lots about what Jesus said and what He did, but I didn't have a clue as to how God wanted me to respond.  That I could have a relationship with Him through a simple faith in what Jesus had already done was a monumental revelation to me.

When I first told my parents that I had been born again, they were convinced I had joined a cult.  (The fact that this was about two years after 'Jonetown' didn't help).  They were upset, they were angry, and they didn't know what to say or do about it.  All I wanted them to do was be happy for me and excited with me that I had made this wonderful discovery.  But my parents didn't see my 'conversion' as "Something that happened to me."  They saw it as "something I did to them."  My mother even asked me outright, "What did you see as so defective in what we gave you?"  I was ecstatically happy about what had happened to me, but what I didn't realize was that, the more excited I was about it, the more they saw it as an indightment of the faith in which they had raised me.

After much time, prayer, patience, and willingness to understand (both on my part and my parents' part - they still loved me very much in spite of our disagreements, as I'm sure your parents do also), my mother admitted to me one day, "I don't understand what happened to you, but it is real."  Without arguing over doctrine or demeaning their faith in the Catholic context, my parents were able to see, over time, a change in my life (attitudes, actions, caring for others, etc).

My parents still attend the Roman Catholic church, but when they visit us they attend church with us (of course they still go to a Catholic church before or after our service ;) )  I am confident, in speaking with them and seeing their lives, that they are just as Christian as anyone on this board (being Catholic and being Christian are NOT mutually exclusive!).  We will all be reunited in heaven - then Jesus can tell all of us, Protestant and Catholic alike, how wrong we were.  In the meantime, God has brought healing and peace into our family.  I pray He will do the same in yours.
Bobby
July 12, 2007 at 12:08pm
Sword in DC

I want to thank you for your kind words. I felt a lot like you while being a Catholic. I never understood how Christ’s death and resurrection applied to me. When I told my mom that I join a new church she informed me that my church was “fake” I was deeply hurt by her comment. I felt that my parents raised me to be a good judge of character. I enter this church with an open mind. I was careful not to make any quick judgments in regards to what kind of church Calvary was. I found out that Calvary was a gospel based church. I found peace there. I found home

 I have never had this type of relationship w/ Christ before. I feel his presence in my life. I feel like a small child who’s ashamed of himself when I sin. The only thing I felt in the Catholic Church when I sinned was Catholic guilt.  I know my mom and this will take a long time for her to accept this. Until then I will continue to be the faithful son. I will love my mom and pray for her. I will continue to email her and call her. I hope in time she will see what my walk in Christ has done for me. God Bless you all.

JessIAm
July 12, 2007 at 12:19pm

Howdy Bobby,

I'm praying for you! 

Jess 

Bobby
July 12, 2007 at 1:36pm
Thanks Jess, I can use the prayers...God Bless You
Steve
July 16, 2007 at 5:39pm
Hey Mississippi brother, it's good to hear of your spiritual journey and I am glad to see you at C3 with your sons. Mary Ann and  I will continue to pray for you and your mom. Keep reaching out to your mom Bobby. We need to hang out again soon. How about lunch one Sunday, bring your kids, I'll bring Mary Ann.

Steve
Cathy
July 16, 2007 at 5:48pm
Kids are okay, make sure Mary Ann behaves herself !!!!!!!!!  !!!!
Bobby
July 16, 2007 at 7:07pm

Cathy has a point I believe my kids are a bit more mature than Mary Ann……….LOL……..I’m kidding of course…..Lunch would be nice….Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. I emailed my mom and said hello to her. I also told my mom that in times of conflict we need to ask ourselves what would Jesus do.  I told her there lies the answer. I have yet to hear back from her. Have a great week. Bobby

Mary Ann
July 17, 2007 at 3:45am
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Jonathan Thomas
July 17, 2007 at 4:24am
Hey Bobby, I will pray for your situation with your Mom. I have a long-term issue with my mom as well. We haven't spoken in several years now. There's just nothing to say.
Cathy
July 17, 2007 at 9:50am
Dude !  The Mary Ann comment was a joke !!!!
You better watch it, I will give her my WhompIt !!!
Bobby
July 17, 2007 at 10:19am

Dudette……I was joking as well……I did say I was kidding

hopefaith
July 18, 2007 at 7:53pm
Bobby,

I am very sorry that your mother has taken this stance. It must be very hard on you. Maybe the reason you did not get what that the Catholic Church really stands for is that your mother does not seem to get it either.  Yes, the Catholic Church does say it is the one true church--but the meaning is that it is the church that is truly the "original Christian Church".  The church also has the belief that if a person lives their live true to the God they believe to be true, they have a place in Heaven.  Only those who willingly do evil without remorse will be in Hell.

I was raised Catholic and I had been raising my son Catholic as well. My son recieved several sacraments in the Catholic Church. He is not confirmed however.  His father has been attending CCC for many years--pretty much since he moved to the DC area when my son was 7 yrs old.  I have recently begun to attend CCC myself just because it is easier for my son.  I also have been having some health problems this past year and it is difficult to get to the Catholic Church I attended 30 min away from home.  They are all VERY different. Every parish in the Catholic Church has its own character and manner of preaching. I was raised in a Catholic Church that made the Christian messages very clear, I doubt that you had the same opportunity.  Any church of any denomination can produce "church goers" who are not believers.  It was not your fault, you were not given the messages to gain the knowledge to become a believer in whatever parishes you attended growing up. 

You might want to try to share some of the CCC values and mission pamphlets with her.  You could send them along with a note that you are not turning to a God different from her God, but instead are turning to a community that is more welcoming and inspiring to you than her church.  Acknowledge her fears and show her how the CCC values, etc are the same as the Catholic Church -- as they are both Christian Churches that are deeply connected to the early church. Also, by sending her a note, she does not have to react to you immediately and has some time to sit with your words and the CCC materials. If she does express an interest in checking out the church sometime, you may want to bring her to the evening Deeper service.

She may be feeling that she has failed by not teaching you the faith of the Catholic Church in a manner that you needed. She stood at her wedding and made that commitment for all her children. She stood at your baptism and made it specifically for you. She will need to deal with that in her own time.  This is about more than just what church you are attending. My mother made those same promises, but she saw them as she needed to raise believers not necessarily Catholics-- that was her goal.  That is my goal for my child as well.  My sister attends Catholic Church and my brother attends a Community Church too. My mother is very happy with those choices.

I pray that through time, your mother will heal her own hurts and doubts, see you as the Christian man you have become and rejoice in that!

HopeFaith
World Wide Webbs
August 28, 2007 at 10:44am

Michael and I are so glad you found C3! Your positive and cheerful attitude along with that HUGE smile are only more assets to Calvary Community Church! Thank you! You are our fellow brother in Christ and we love you!! With time and prayer, I'm sure your mom will come to realize that as well.
Rebecca

Bobby
August 28, 2007 at 5:06pm

I thought I should tell you that my mom and I are talking once again. We seemed to have ironed out our differences I don’t think she is thrilled I left the Catholic Church, but she accepted it. I want to thank everyone for their prayers. God Bless you all.. Bobby

Cade_One
September 08, 2007 at 11:45pm

I'm glad your mom and you are talking agin.  I know the emotions that she was feeling.  You see my mom left her Catholic faith and I was mostly bitter towards my step-dad for it.  My mom is one of the most loving people I know (always has been and continues to be).  When my wife became Catholic her mom, who was raised Pentecostal was not happy.  So I'm sure it goes both ways I guess.  God Bless.

Josh from Ohio 

Candice
September 10, 2007 at 10:21am
Awesome, Bobby!  So glad to hear it.
Mike n Laura
September 10, 2007 at 10:25am
Bobby.....GREAT to hear! Love to hear about answers to prayer, now THAT is cool!
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