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This troubles me greatly...
||July 14, 2007|442 reads
 

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Dennis Howe
July 14, 2007
You didn't indicate what troubled you about it?
DarkRadiance
July 14, 2007
Does it trouble you that it was a Hindu praying or that Christians were trying to silence the prayer? Just curious.
Voice in DC
July 14, 2007
..that we finally allowed a nonChristian to pray in the Senate. I figured it was going to happen eventually, but in our history, it hasn't until now...
Voice in DC
July 14, 2007
...to pray to something other than the one true God is nothing more than asking for disaster...and it troubles me greatly...
DarkRadiance
July 14, 2007

If its any consolation, a similar reaction accompanied the first Catholic priest who prayed in the Senate

Dennis Howe
July 14, 2007
I will admit it also troubles me, but how do we assure our freedom if we don't extend that feedom to other belief systems? I've really struggled with this one. I don;t know how to accomplish one without guaranteeing the other.
Voice in DC
July 14, 2007
I agree Dennis...it is almost hypocritical not to allow it...yet...
DarkRadiance
July 15, 2007
There was a time when only Protestants were allowed to conduct services in the Senate. Unfortuanately its a slippery slope.
dave buckingham
July 15, 2007
This troubles me as I personally wont pray with a hindu or muslim cause after all what am I praying to, but to shout it down or forbid it.  I dunno.  I think we should be able to reason with those of other belief systems, and shouting them down closes the door to such things.  Personally I've tried many belief systems. I found that Christianity worked when others failed because of the power of Christ.  I mean after all the meditation in the world I was still a selfish sinner in need of salvation.

Love,

Dave
john cummins
July 15, 2007

Kudos, mucho kudos, to the heros that interupted the multi-god paganist Hindu. These are the types of heros the church needs today! 

I pretty much agree with the Wyatt above only I'd say Jewish...NO, Christian..Yes, Muslim...NO, Buddhist/Hindu...No.

The only way to get to the Father is through the son. This nation clearly is/was a Christian nation and was founded so that one sect would not have precedene over another in a national view. However, it was NOT founded for Moslems, Hindus and others to have political power over others...Now, the constitution may have changed this (there is much controversy on this subject) with it's removal of the religious oath BUT at the time of the writing all states/colonies had constitutions had political oaths that were religious (triune/Christian) emebedded within. So, at the time of the US Constitlution only Christian/Trinitarians could hold office (at least in the state levels) and this was back when the US Senate was properly elected by the state legislatures.

Now, it must be remembered, that when the Constitutional Convention convened that it was only supposed to amend the Articles of Confederation SO those sent to the confvention disobeyed the states and the result was the Constitution. Patrick Henry probably the greatest hero of the Independence move said, "I smell a rat in Philadelphia".

Voice in DC
July 15, 2007
Freedom forces me to say that others can offer prayers, but to have it officially recognized by the Senate crosses the line for me...kind of like food set aside for idols, I think.
DarkRadiance
July 15, 2007
 This is not something that will become a regular service of the Senate.I think that he is a 7th Day Adventist). However they do allow senators to invite a guest chaplains from their home states from time to time.
DarkRadiance
July 15, 2007

Oops, sorry my editing skills were not up to par on my last post. That should read: " The Senate has a regular chaplain (a Seventh-Day Adventist, I think) ".

Mea Culpa 

Emae
July 15, 2007

I agree with the AMERICANS UNITED FOR THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE when they say that they are opposed to prayer before the sessions, but if it is going to happen it should represent the variety of faiths in the nation.

Amendment #1 says no establishment and free exercise.  And we have no religious test for office.  Whatever the founding fathers may have believed, they set down in ink a country that would give religion great freedom both "of" and "from" in a sense.  Religious people can always find some way to subdivide themselves from others that believe differently (I grew up in a town where diversity meant we had two kinds of Lutherans and people could list for a day why one was truer than the other) and if people that want prayer are going to start arguing to exclude prayer on some basis, how long until someone tries to exclude their prayer?

We are all at the mercy of demographics and we need to make sure that rights are firmly in place in the broadest sense in case any of us find ourselves in a minority.   

R B
July 16, 2007

Hey,

If you want to hear a little addition to the outcry, check out our local Pastor who had a short interview with the man and even watch the video.

http://kgov.com/bel_56kbps/20070713


R...

Voice in DC
July 29, 2007
Very interesting Wyatt. Thanks.