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Why did Christ have to die on the Cross?
||April 18, 2009|276 reads
 

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Joey     R
April 19, 2009
Good words, Gary.  Amen.
Gary Robison
April 19, 2009
we are called to worship Him in truth and spirit Joey, but too many times we (I) slip into a callous state of mind, and start living for SELF. Doing what I want to, disregarding what He has done for me.
Holy Spirit Within
April 19, 2009

So true bro... when we have been born of the Spirit... our nature becomes as HIS.. our desires becomes as His... His laws are written on our hearts... His heart having become our own through the gift of repentance and the new birth experience causes us to become new creations through/in Christ.... thus through HIS Spirit alive within we hate sin too ...  when we are faced with the temptations of sin... we are grieved and draw upon HIS Spirit within to transform that aspect of our mind to become as HIS... through the power of HIS word and the mind of Christ giving us spiritual eyes to see through, spiritual ears to hear through ... when we sin we recognize experientially our need to recieve grace, life and it more abundantly through Christ...  and a reminder His love cannot be earned, our righteousness cannot be bought... instead we are to grow in Spirit and truth to become perfected through the regeneration/transformation/restoration/justification/resurrection process, which we walk out daily according to HIS unfolding plan and timing, ultimately causing us to become mature sons and daughters as the spirit of our mind is renewed by the power of HIS word and works within us and those around us.  Joy and Peace abound in our hearts as we grow releasing the old to embrace the new... first by faith and ultimately as our spiritual reality.

May I also offer.... Christ also died on the cross to fulfill the curse of the law... which is death, offering us eternal life and love and the power to overcome sin through the Spirit of the resurrected Christ who has come to live within to the glory of our Father and His Son... through such there is an exchanging our life for/as His own, ultimately translating us out of the Kingdom of darkness/death, into His Kingdom of light/life.  Through our coming to recognize we died and are raised with HIM (at the foundations of the world, in Spirit and Truth), we are brought to repentance and given a change of heart/mind/desires. Through the new birth experience we come to understand we became eternal, righteous, Holy Spiritual Beings who are being conformed to the image of Christ daily awaiting HIS glorious return ... Through the new birth experience we became part of HIS body, who reflects our Father and HIS son to those still in darkness.  Jesus being perfect/without sin... became sin in our place (took the consequence of sin in our stead imparting the gift of grace which is eternal life/love and the power to overcome sin and death)... thus we died with Him/in Him through the fulfillment of the curse of the law of sin and death ... truly the unredeemed nature died and through the new birth experience we are raised with HIM.... we become new creations in Christ, (we become hid in Christ through Father God as the Apostle Paul said).  I believe it is worth repeating, through the new birth experience we receive the mind of Christ, the heart of God, power to over come sin... and more, as stated briefly above. Yes, through the new birth experience... our Spirit is restored, reconciled to God... daily we learn to live in His Kingdom now (not just when we leave this body and go to heaven as some believe), His laws having been written on our heart through our union with God's Holy Spirit... giving us HIS desire/power walk after the Spirit and not the flesh.... our desire is to glory our Father and His son... our desire is to be a over comer through Christ.... to receive the crown of life... to see His Kingdom come on earth now as it already is in heaven, our new desire is to........................... and more.

 

www.ActsOfTheHolySpirit.com

www.LivingASimplifiedLife.blogspot.com

*best read in chronological order

Gary Robison
April 19, 2009

yes, HolySpiritWithin

He puts His laws within our hearts, and being born-again with the power of the Holy Spirit gives us the ability and the desire to follow them. 

When we do slip, his grace keeps us from being seperated from His love.

He gives us the desire to have no other gods before Him, to not make to yourselves any graven image, not take the name of Jehovah your God in vain, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, to honor your father and your mother, to not kill, to not commit adultery, not steal, not bear false witness against your neighbor, not covet your neighbor's house. 

 

Holy Spirit Within
April 19, 2009

Yes \o/ *lifting hands to Him in Praise

Thank You Father for the gift of love... which keeps our hearts and minds in Christ Jesus!

Ronnie's blog
April 20, 2009
              I have never seen where our Savior HAD to die on the cross. I'm sure God could have destroyed His intire creation and started over. He gave Himself up is what I always understood. He also became our Passover, or rest, ending the sabbath day once and for all!!
Gary Robison
April 20, 2009
21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance.

 

Gary Robison
April 20, 2009
But there is no scriptural evidence that He took away the Sabbath, only theology teachings.
Gary Robison
April 20, 2009

See 1 Corinthians 9:21....  (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,)  ...


Paul also writes in Romans: 

7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. 

See also Romans 11:20  Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

and 21  For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

so don't boast because just as the Jews were broken off, so may we, because of un-belief, or pride.

 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Ronnie's blog
April 21, 2009
                I do suggest you read Heb. Chap. 4  Jesus BECAME our Passover, our rest, our Sabbath!!

            l Corinthians Chap. 5:7 Purge out there the old leaven that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
Gary Robison
April 21, 2009

Heb. 4 does not deal with the Passover.

Verse 1 is stateing that we should fear, lest we fall short of entering in, notice this is a future tense. It is a promise, something we are reaching for.

Yes, He became our rest, but it is not GIVEN, it must be labored for,

Look also at verses 4 & 5, the author writes twice about the sabboth, 

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works

 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
then look at what he says in verse 7: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
 then verse 8 says:   For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Heb 4:11  Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
It is not a guarantee, just by saying you believe, there is the process... the labour... of getting there.... 

We have to produce the fruits of repentance, there must be a change of heart. The change of heart will produce the changed actions. Just shaking a pastors hand, and getting your name on the church roster, even getting baptized is not the ticket to heaven, He requires us to change ownership of our hearts and minds. We have to die to SELF. This daily death, turning our beings over to Him, will yield the fruits.

1 Cor. 5:7, is dealing with the sin of fornication that that the Corinth's were bragging about in their midst. Paul is telling them to get rid of the person , turn him over to Satan, that had brought the sin in, to keep from spreading to the rest of the fellowship.  Also if you read the passage in context, Paul is still speaking about the fellowship keeping pure, tokeep the passover meal with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Gary Robison
April 21, 2009

The author in Hebrews 8, is speaking about the old contract with Israel, in the new contract, He will write His LAWS in our hearts and in our minds.

If you read the whole chapter here, notice it is all in future tense.

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:(this is from Jer. 31:31-40) speaking about New Jerusalem.

 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. (again, this is speaking of the New Jerusalem, for we are a LONG way from this point)


The old contract is almost ready to expire:  In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.   future tense...notice the author did-not write, is vanished away.


 as to the covenant/law nailed to the cross, where does it say this?

it says in Col. 2:14 ordinances of commandments and doctrines of man, this is not the Law.

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?


This is speaking about the many rules and doctrines that the priest kept piling onto the people, the ordinances is not the covenant.

We are justified by our faith in what Christ did,  by asking for forgiveness for breaking His laws, and turning from sin.

What was nailed to the cross, was our sins, and our sins are manifested by the Law, for without the law, sin has no teeth.

Our sins that Christ forgave us of, was breaking His law.

So if there is no law, because it is dead, then there is nothing to forgive us of, and Christ died for nothing!

Ronnie's blog
April 22, 2009
             All we can do is try to make people see. If they be blind. There is no way you will receive the truth. You will argue till you explode. It's sad to say the least. I pray you do see at some time in your life. It is hell to be blind to God's truth.
Gary Robison
April 22, 2009

golden, showing you the Word, not arguing.....

not YELLING, not trying to fight.

 

Ronnie's blog
April 22, 2009
   Gary, you are not showing anyone the Word. No one is yelling, nor fighting.  I'm sure you would not like to believe what you say. And that is YOUR problem. I have no one to impress but Father. That is what I do. Do you???   Or, would you just like to be right? No one says you have to believe. The truth is either excepted, or rejected. You decide that for yourself!!

           I would have to think. You do not love truth and want ot keep it from everyone. There are many that way.
I'll still pray for you.
Gary Robison
April 22, 2009
golden, sorry, but I blocked ya.... I enjoy having debates about the Word, but not when it becomes abusive. Abrasive is good, but not abusive.
Gary Robison
April 22, 2009
something that gets lost in translation is that there were 2 laws. One was the Law (10 commandments) written by the Lord, the other was the cerimonial law. 

The LAW dwelt with sin, the cerimonial dwelt with sacrifice, or payment required for the breaking of the LAW.

While the word ceremonial is spoken frequently of in scripture the term Ceremonial Law is not. In the KJV Bible, it is normally translated to ordinances which Strong’s dictionary translates to as being a law of ordinances or ceremonial law.

As it was a system of commandments given by God to Israel, there can be no doubt that it was a law which involved ceremonies so it will be frequently called the Ceremonial Law. Since this law ended at the cross it was only observed by the children of Israel.

The key to understanding Colossians 2:16 is found two verses earlier in Colossians 2:14.

The keywords are, “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances.” The Greek word for blotting is “exaleipho”, pronounced “ex-al-i'-fo”. Strong's dictionary gives the definition; “to smear out, that is, obliterate (erase tears, figuratively pardon sin): - blot out, wipe away.”

The next keyword in this verse is “handwriting” and the Greek word is “cheirographon”, pronounced “khi-rog'-raf-on” and the definition is, “something handwritten (”chirograph”), that is, a manuscript (specifically a legal document or bond (figuratively)): - handwriting.”

And the last and final very important word we need to look at is “ordinances”, Greek word is “dogma”, pronounced “dog'-mah” and the Strong's definition is “a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree, ordinance.”

So the verse you mentioned earlier in Hebrews, if read along with the other verses of this chapter, deals with the priesthood of Levi, and how Christ came out of Juda. The cerimonial law was changed, else Christ could not have been our High Priest.

So what was nailed to the cross as Paul explains in verse 14? The “Law of Moses,” which is also called the “Mosaic Law”, the “Book of the Law” and as we have just seen by the definition given by the KJV Bible, the “Ordinances.”

There should be no doubt that the ceremonial law is not the Moral law and that Paul has said that we no longer need to observe the feasts days that were associated with the ordinances as some teach in ignorance.

This was the whole problem that Paul was addressing as some Jews were still doing this.

The ceremonial law was for Israel alone as the Gospel did not go to the Gentiles for 3.5 years after Jesus died on the cross.

This is why there is so much confusion between the ceremonial law and the Ten Commandments. That one and final perfect sacrifice of Jesus ended this whole sacrificial system, thankfully giving us no requirement to obey this law.

Since Jesus replaced this law, He has become the remedy for sin, which is the breaking of God's Ten Commandment law.

Colossians 2:16  “Let no man therefore judge you in meat (offering), or in drink (offering), or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:” and so the belief of some is the fourth Commandment (Sabbath) was deleted from stone. What was actually done away with here was the ordinances (Ceremonial Law).

see also :

1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

then if you re-read Hebrews Chapter 9, you will see the author is talking about the outer and inner sanctuary.

The outer sanctuary was the ceremonial sacrifices, touch not, taste not, while the inner sanctuary is a representation of the sanctuary not built by hands.

 anyways, have an open heart, see where the Lord leads you on this.

copied from my other blog: http://www.mychurch.org/blog/156737/what-is-the-sabbath

 

Gary Robison
April 22, 2009
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

and here;

2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

here is the kicker though!!

3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.