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Pro-Jesus (not anti-abortion, or anti-gay marriage, or anti-this-or-that)
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Joyful Servant
June 15, 2009
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"The world understands protests, tactics, arguments, labels, and strategic maneuvering. But the world doesn’t understand the divine love that is characterized by grace, mercy, and forgiveness.

Praise God, Mike. You've captured in a blog what I feel in my heart and the jumble of thoughts that pass through my mind each and every time I see a blog on anti-abortion or anti-whatever. ".. the song I sing is not one of protest."

It "isn’t what defines me. People don’t look at me and conclude that I am a “social activist.” Hopefully they look at me and conclude that I am Christian, that is, very much Christlike and therefore different from the world." Praise His Name.

Thank you Mike for sharing what is on your heart, and as it happens, what is on mine. God is good and God is love.

Mike n Laura
June 15, 2009

Dear sister (Penny), the Spirit of God confirmed that I should post this publicly through your profile comment to me. So it is no surprise that we are also of one heart/mind on this topic. It has been weighing somewhat heavily on me lately too.

crystal
June 15, 2009
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Very well said. I do not agree with what Mr. Tiller did, however I don't agree in taking the law into our own hands either. Sin is sin, it's all the same. I just have one question for the shooter. Do you have no sin in your life? If you do, I congratulate you, for the bible says we've all sined, and come short of the glory of God. One sin is no greater or less than the other. I need to focus on myself and get me right.
I agree that we are getting our eyes on distractions rather than the real picture
And we wonder how we are taken by surprise!!!! Because we've lost our focus.
This is what satan wants and we are giving him just that. Sing a new song and shout to the lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wooohooo.
MarJay HizWay
June 15, 2009
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crystal
June 15, 2009

And by the way, I love Lucy, But I LOVE DESI!!!! YES YES YES, I do

Liz Bell
June 15, 2009
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This is very inspiring Mike and makes me think of the passage in Scripture
"Let him who has no sin cast the first stone"

We may not like what is happening in the world but we cannot be the judge that is reserved for God.
Kathy
June 15, 2009
" . . .I noticed that the Lord hadn’t changed ONE HEART through my agitating and debating. I have also noticed that other believers who are focused on such issues often come across as bitter, cynical, angry, judgmental, and insensitive. When we are perceived this way by people, it becomes very hard for us to sound authentic when proclaiming the Good News . . ."  Amen, Mike, Amen!!
Kathy
June 15, 2009
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Preston Pittman
June 15, 2009
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Mike,.... Oh, man... you could not write this without Gods' Love dwelling within you long enough to start coming out like this now. This is love at work. It's not,... "oh,.. I just love everything,... sugar and spice". Many people don't understand that the Love you're talking about "is" a way fighting against evil. There are some people who will get down on their knees and beg their daughters highschool friend not to abort her baby. They offer her a place in their home if she needs it, watch her baby so she can work,... etc,... THATS FIGHTING ABORTION,... Amen?... did'nt mean to yell,... hehe. I don't want to take up your space here with ALL the things that tiny, humble, unknown, FEW, members of the True Church do that God consideres as FIGHTING evil, and All of through Love. Amen. GREAT BLOG,.. hey,.. I just yelled again,... sorry. I love you Mike.
mstovall2003
June 15, 2009
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You have just been promoted from "little brother" to BIG BROTHER".

He came to SAVE, not to JUDGE.  We can get so wrapped up in the world's problems, debates,etc., etc. that we lose our focus.....  I will continue to sing that NEW SONG( the GOOD NEWS, which really isn't new) right along with you Mike...

Awesome Blog.....
REMARKABLE TERRY
June 15, 2009
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EXCELLENT.!  I know I could not have written this, but I knew God would give you the words, the courage and the will to.  It is so hard when we are defined by a cause we believe in or don't believe in.  In the 60's & 70's I protested the the V-War and was labeled a Militant because all of B-More saw me on the news for lest than five minutes.  It was had to shake that title in my family to a point I was introduced "this is Terry, our little militant, she is going to change the world".  Well I had the audacity to think I could bring "Peace" to the world.  I though this not because I protested the war, it was because I believed God wanted me to as a soldier in His army.  I wanted that to define me.  War against Evil, not just againt the war.  I Love You too Mike.  10,000 STARS.!
Cindy
June 15, 2009
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Mike n Laura
June 15, 2009
Just a quick note, this blog was not a response to (this) one. ;-)
Joey     R
June 15, 2009
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Well written, my friend.  Too much focus these days has been put on "people and things, and opinions" rather than the love of our Savior Jesus Christ.

He died out of LOVE for all of us, and what you said is so right.  I was praying this morning about some of this, and you wrote the blog.  Thanks be to God!

Your sister in Christ, and partner in fun,
Joey

Jade
June 15, 2009
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Craig
June 15, 2009
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Exactly!  :-)  He who sits in the heavens laughs!  Those things that bring us to where we don't see His King installed on Mount Zion, and we don't hear the joyous laughter of God because of it...are a distraction.  We set our minds on the unseen and eternal and receive life or we set our minds on the temporal and receive death.  We each know because the branch whithers when it's not abiding in the Vine.

Thanks Mike!  A great confirmation and encouragement!
Craig

DarkRadiance
June 15, 2009
Excellent point MnL. I think too often people forget what Christian Communion is all about. It doesn't matter is we see eye to eye on social or economic issues. What matters and what binds us together is our love for Christ.
pandabear
June 15, 2009
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ABSOLUTELY A FANTASTIC, SPIRIT FILLED MESSAGE.  PRAISE BE TO THE LORD.  THANK YOU, MIKE FOR BEING OBEDIENT TO THE LORD IN POSTING THIS.  HE LOVES US SO MUCH!
Prentiss United Methodist Church
June 15, 2009
Mike, I believe ou are on the right target...We can even hate the sin but love the sinner....It is up for God to judge and vindicate good over evil!   LY in Jesus   PC
DarkRadiance
June 15, 2009
Actually Prentiss, we are to love the sinner, and hate our own sin.
Craig
June 15, 2009

Good point Malleus [small bone in the inner ear?] Ta Deum.  Anyone know where the verse is that says we are to hate our own sin?

The only one I see that comes close is this one:

Jude 1:17-25 ( ESV )
But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. They said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions." It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. But you, beloved, build yourselves up in your most holy faith; pray in the Holy Spirit; keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. And have mercy on those who doubt; save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.

Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.


Other than that I can't really find any scripture--in the New Testament--that speaks to hating either the sins of others or of our own sin.  Why would we hate what God has already delt with in Christ, having crucified us in Him and having immersed us into his death.  Our sin [e.g in Greek it is the sin in Romans 5 and 6] was delt with when we were put to death in Christ.  Our flesh has been crucified.  So what's to hate?  The New Creation we are in Christ?

[Sorry Mike!  Don't want to change the subject in your blog!  All questions are retorical!]

Blessings!
Craig

Holy Spirit Within
June 15, 2009

\o/ Bless You Lord for Your unction which speaks with clarity through our brother and reveals what manner of Spirit he is of... thank You for bringing the following Scripture and song to mind as well:

... And they did not receive HIM, because His face was as though He would go to Jerusalem.  And when His Disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt Thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But HE turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of Spirit ye are of.  For the Son of Man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village.
... And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you: And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.  But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,  "Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the Kingdom of God is come nigh unto you." But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.

 

"Majesty, worship His Majesty;
Unto Jesus be all glory, honor, and praise.
Majesty, Kingdom Authority,
Flow from His Throne unto His Own, His anthem raise.
So exalt, lift up on high the name of Jesus.
Magnify, come glorify Christ Jesus, the King.
Majesty, worship His Majesty,
Jesus Who died, now glorified, King of all kings."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9ibH6EPz4&feature=related

 

It matters not what others have done before Jesus came to make a new Covenant of grace fulfilling the mandates of the Old Testament... it matters what Jesus did/does and tells us to do through the witness and unction of His Holy Spirit alive within...ever reminding us of HIS power to save and reconcile us to Our Father with a change of heart which renews the Spirit of our mind and causes us to be who HE created us to be as new creations in Christ... we cannot expect one of the unredeemed mind to understand that which is spiritually discerned.... we can pray that HE give them the power to see and become HIS OWN.

Thanks Mike... who you are in Christ, Who HE is in and through you is a blessing and a true witness of HIS Spirit alive today to many....may it ever be so...

DarkRadiance
June 15, 2009

The SN means "Hammer of God". The tiny bone (also known as an ossicle) in the inner ear, owing to its shape was named the hammer (malleus) for the same reason.
You are right, the passage "Love the sinner, but hate the sinner" as well as my rendition (which would probably be closer to what Jesus taught vis a vis his "Plank in the Eye" maxim) are not in the Bible.

The term (although it can be attributed in its modern form to Ghandi) has a much older an Christian root. In his Letter on Safeguarding Chastity, and Fraternal Correction, St. Augustine wrote the following: Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum. Which roughly translates as "With of love for mankind and a hatred of sin."
Given Augustine's enormous impact on Christianity, its little wonder that the sentiment worked its way into the minds and hearts of Christians.
Sorry for the divergence into historical theology Mike :-)

Pax Christi,
MD

Holy Spirit Within
June 15, 2009

Forgot to give you a star... would love to could give many to this post!!!

Forgiven
June 15, 2009
There are so many things I love about this!! Amen, Mike! One thing we "the church" often forgets is "Love." Gosh!! Every time I sink into the quagmire of pointing a finger...all of a sudden, some horrid thing I've done in my past plays like a bad movie in my mind! This is a wonderful tool, used by my Loving Lord to keep me from myself!! Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!  If we all walked around thinking we were 'the least of these'  all of the time, there would be a whole lot more meekness showing, and certainly a whole lot more love!!!!

Who can truly fathom the heart of God!!

I think I feel a poem coming on:)))

Right on, Mike!!!!!
Forgiven
June 15, 2009
Brother Todd
June 15, 2009
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but because of your love for God you land on certain issues.  All men will know you are my disciples if you love one another.
Brother Todd
June 15, 2009
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but because of your love for God you land on certain issues.  All men will know you are my disciples if you love one another.
Brother Todd
June 15, 2009
but because of your love for God you land on certain issues.  All men will know you are my disciples if you love one another.
CraftsReen
June 15, 2009
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Craig
June 15, 2009
Brother Todd, every fact shall be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses! And you even managed to give Mike 2 stars!  :-D  LOL!
Destiny Diadem
June 15, 2009
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Hine clover
June 15, 2009
O.M.G. Mike this is sooo kool. Brother, I have to admit that at the start, I felt awful when this all happened to me. I was quick to judge. As I think of Adam and Eve blame shifting each other about who ate the apple.

For me, it wasn't the abortionist that was at fault here. It was me because I made the choice. Obviously it was the wrong one. But it wasn't till I asked Gods forgiveness for my desicion and also forgave MYSELF for this, that I felt really free from guilt, condemnation, and felt the God used this man from America to speak to my heart. I felt a freedom that I cannot explain
Hine clover
June 15, 2009
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Keeping The Faith
June 15, 2009
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Lara Leger
June 15, 2009
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Choose life, not death; blessing, not cursing.
Ragland Jebaraj
June 15, 2009
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Hey Brother Mike.

This is a great post. Yes as you said rightly, Jesus always talk about thoughts.  He says what I think in my heart that I should be careful about. Which means if  I am  worried about myself and my thoughts individually, it would make a sea of change. Manytimes I notice that I am always concerned about what are other's thoughts.

The exterior must reflect the interior. Many a times my human nature forces me to be a human being. But the Grace of Jesus remind me to follow Him.  It is a real challenge which I face on an hourly basis.

 

Ashley Bennett
June 15, 2009
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This is really interesting. Thanks! :)
Joey     R
June 15, 2009

You really have em going, long ears!

Old Man of The North
June 15, 2009
I agree, taking the law into our own hands is not the answer. 

Whether inside the womb - or outside, a life is a life.  But here's a thought to ponder on.  If its outisde the womb - its called murder, and murder is a crime.  If it happens inside the womb, its not called murder, and it isn't a crime.  So when is a crime not a crime?  When its inside a mother's womb.  After all, if people use the forgiveness label on everything they encounter, you might as well open all the prison doors - and let those that are behind them run free.  And perhaps seeing a late abortion in action MAY sway your opinion.  As long as the baby's head remains inside the mother's womb, what abortionist's do to that baby is totally legal.  I'm sorry if this sounds graphic, and yes I agree that forgiveness plays a part in it, but in no way should it be ignored.

And a last thought to ponder on.  Forgiveness is a personal agreement between "you" (whoever that may be) and God, and the person that forgiveness is aimed at.  But when a crime of whatever proportion is committed, where's the justice?  And why have I said that?  Although we are commanded to love one another, be compassionate towards one another (just like Jesus was), when it comes to justice, that is also talked about in the bible. "Love" is an action word, not just something people feel.  To turn a blind eye, or make up an excuse as to ignore certain things, are people really putting that word into action?  Anyway, I'd better end this response as its hitting a raw nerve with me.  God is a God of love.  But He's also a God of justice.  But like I've said, taking the law into our own hands is not the answer.  But when people put a seal of approval on the abortion issue - allowing everything imagineable to take place on that unborn child, that its LEGAL and they can go ahead and do whatever they like to kill it, what's the answer?  So when is a crime not a crime Mike?
Leigh Thomas
June 16, 2009
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Thanks, Mike, so well put, in all ways...Life = God, Love = God, Peace = God, Joy = God, Self-Control = God,  (etc., fruits of the spirit = God); doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, eh?  Too many people try to oversimplify God!!! That's why we aren't rocket scientists, we're Christians...we're "in" the world, but not "of" it.  There's a song written and recorded by a Christian Band, Avalon.  I love it, here are the lyrics:

I hide me far away from trouble
The world outside me grows darker by the day
So I promise to stay here close beside Him
Surely God would want His children safe
Then reading, how my eyes were opened
I find that He is leading us out into the world
Into the middle of fallen saints and sinners
Where a little grace is needed most

CHORUS
Come take the Light to darker parts
Share His truth with hardened hearts
We are not like the world but we can love it
Come bring the Hope to hopeless men
Until the lost are found in Him
He came to save the world
So let us be... in it, not of it

Wait a minute
If we say we love them, why are we not in it
Why we run and hide
Entertain a stranger
Maybe entertain an angel
The danger is if our worlds don't collide

CHORUS

We've cursed the darkness far too long
We need to hold the candle high
We have to go and right the wrongs
We need to touch the world with love
With His love

Wait a minute
If we say we love them, why are we not in it
Why are we not in it

CHORUS 2X

Wait a minute
If we say we love them, why are we not in it
Mike n Laura
June 16, 2009

Leigh, lovely song. Thanks for your comment!

Stevie, I so value your input! You are a deep thinker!  (Well, many of us are, but you do manage to share unique thoughts quite often.) Regarding justice, I agree! After all, human government is God's invention, not ours, partially for the purpose of providing justice. However since it is implemented by corrupted humans, it will never be perfect. We ALL have our own ideas of justice!! But in the eternal, only God's counts. He has made it clear that injustice will be tolerated on earth for a time, before he wipes it all out and starts over.

We all agree, slavery is a great injustice. However I always find it interesting that Jesus never once decried slavery. Why? He had a far more important agenda! Paul even told slaves to obey their masters as unto the Lord. HE TOO had a much more important agenda! This isn't to say we should simply IGNORE injustices. But we do have to be careful. We mustn't just charge in and seek to right everything we see as wrong, including abortion. In our own human-ness, we can do more harm than good!!! And I think we see that, as hearts are hardened rather than softened by the approach many evangelicals take these days to the abortion issue. Heck, reading a few of the comments by ppl on this site (tho' NOT this blog!), I feel my own heart begin to harden. 

So I say, if we focus on being pro-Jesus and all the positive aspects entailed, rather than being anti-abortion, or anti-any-other-sin, things ought to fall into place, eventually. At least, we won't be open to the accusation that we are in fact OBSTACLES to God's will. (Here ends my comment, to use a little Stevie-lingo, lol.)

Mike n Laura
June 16, 2009

Hine, thank you for sharing that. Ain't forgiveness sweet? God's forgiveness is TOTAL, unlike ours. And no one controls WHO he forgives, except him! (Well, I s'pose we do have to ask!) I'm thankful for your freedom, sister!

Preston, WISE WORDS about love, mi amigo!  True love is not sugar n spice, it's not superficial but much deeper. Real love.....well, I don't need to tell you about love, you are the "love expert" around here! Thanks for your comment!

Mike n Laura
June 16, 2009

Thanks for your comment Malleus. I've really never felt closer to you than I do now. :)

Thanks Crystal, you're right, taking matters into our hands plays into SATAN'S hands!

And thanks Kathy, it really is about changing HEARTS, NOT behavior!! :)

Will need to come back later to respond to others....THANK YOU for reading/commenting!!!

Dave Hamm
June 16, 2009
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Bethany Price
June 16, 2009
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Joey     R
June 16, 2009
Joey     R
June 16, 2009
Good blog, Mule.
David and Pam Martin
June 17, 2009
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    Well said about John the Baptist as an example.  Even Paul had later rebaptized those who had once followed him, now in Jesus' name for the remission of sin.  I agree with you, that it helps us understand that for us it is to point all people towards Jesus to see and live differently.  Even the local cheating taxman, Zacheus, had lunch with Jesus and became a changed man through a changed heart. Jesus didn't point him out up in a tree with a crowd there and list his sins, the mob would have killed him (like recently); he went to have a talk. 
    I tend to believe that Jesus didn't have to say much about his shady counting practices, but focused on the condition of his soul and salvation via the Word.
Good wisdom Pastor Mike

Mike n Laura
June 17, 2009

Thank you for reading, PastorDATM and Bethany! I appreciate that you took time to let me know, too!

Joey, no. That ain't me, it's.....that other guy. :)

David and Pam, wonderful insights, thank you so much!  Ran into some folks recently who thought we should strive to follow J the B's example in calling out sin...I thought, heck no! Sure he has some great qualities ministering truth, but his calling was very specific, and not particularly compatible with our calling as Christians. Don't get me wrong, I would never advocate completely ignoring the issue of sin or even worse, justifying sins! We just need to be careful about our focus. Again thanks for your comment!

JLee Harshbarger
June 17, 2009
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Deb Rockwell
June 17, 2009
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Excellent Blog Mike!!!  I don't agree with what this doctor did, and I don't agree with what happened to him...two wrongs don't make a right.  But I am removed from it all.  I am in this world but not part of it...I see the things that go on around me, but I am more concerned with my relationship with the Lord, and trying to get more people to have serious relationships with Him.  I have gone the route of trying to argue with people, and it does no good.  I have my beliefs, they have theirs.  No amount of arguing is going to bring back the lives that were lost through this mans actions or the person who killed him.  God help those involved, and strengthen them and their families.  I for one, cannot wait until the hatred of this world comes to an end and I am in heaven with the One who can set us all free.
HigherGround
June 17, 2009
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I havet found this as I have been running a few days with no personal time here to look and I did not read all the comments yet, can't as dinner is in the oven and I have to finish mopping the other floors....are you still with me, lol.

I have stood in Washington DC last year for the whole day fasting with a call for America to come back to God and to stop abortion. I spent weeks with women who aborted in a program called Rainbows in the Night to understand and help other women who have aborted come back to God and find forgiveness although I never had aborted myself. 

I have many sisters in the Lord who have. I have dealt lovingly with many men both related and not with homosexuality. I know many alcoholics and drug addicts who suffer setbacks.

I have a cousin in jail who is a pediphile. I love him anyway. 

Now, going back to what you are talking about.....For the very first time I am not sure you and I totally agree and here is why. lol, first you know I totally love you and respect so many here that did write but want to just say this. 

I am not motivated by hellfire and damnation preaching but am hugely motivated by grace preachers. So, that would put me on the same page as your message I think...however...some are only motivated when they hear the hellire and damnation message. 

Not so long ago, Preston and I discussed getting into politics or not as believers and I was talking about how I believe we should be active in politics. Not everyone is called to be in politics but voting etc and awareness messages. 

Whatever the messages are however should be shown in love. 

Whatever the message, it can be delivered in love. John 4 woman at the well, Jesus essentially called her an adulterer by saying she was living with a man that was not her husband. She didn't take offense because...bet he said it in love and truth. 

Can we do that always, in Christ yes.

I have done it, ugly message, telling someone their anger was out of control, soft voice and loved them saying it so I know it came across that way. 

I have to finish my chores and come back and read the comments. Oh Mike how I love you...I know we have like hearts for Christ so probably not so off but I won't say that God can't change my heart on this. I don't get too involved except for abortion, I can't be silent and I wish I could adopt them all. I just need another hour in my day. lol

Giovanni Lizama
June 17, 2009

This reminds me of something I once heard, which is attributed to Luis Palau, in reference to how Christians ought to act in response to the direction in which our world "leaders" are going (away from God). Unless we believers actively engage our communities with the Gospel message, we will NEVER see a real change in our elected officials and their policies.

I really took that message to heart, and I agree with it.  We can rant and grumble about the crumbling world around us, but until we transform our lives, our homes, and our communities with the message of salvation, redemption, and freedom, we will only see more of the same, if not worse.

Blessings.

HigherGround
June 18, 2009

I couldn't sleep for the longest time, wrestling with my comment, not yours. I KNOW your gentleness, you and Preston and a pastor I know have very gentle ways that stand apart. I am non-confrontational to the hilt and anger even at issues rarely pops up. I had a neighbor who aborted at age 15 because her mom promised her a new pair of  40 dollar boots if she would. Her older sister had five kids and never married. I suppose her mom wanted more for Shari, but I was talking to her with all I had in me not to do it. She was five months along. I had so much anger in me at her mom and saw Shari as just being sort of empty headed to go along with it. I remember telling her that those boots would fall apart and on and on. She did it. So here is it 32 years later. I know she doesn't have the boots. I will ask God to introduce me to that soul in heaven. I wasn't mean to Shari, served her refreshment in my home after. I prayed for them often.

When at the prayer in Washington DC I wore tape that said Life on my mouth for a silent 10 minute prayer for this issue. It was amazing to see thousands gathered at the capital and it was silent.

My son was upset at my radical protest. All was lovingly done but he viewed it as a protest and he said he would never listen to such protests. So maybe in that respect the world saw us that way. There were many teens, mostly teens which is how THE CALL and LOU ENGLE got this started who vowed never to abort but to be PRO LIFE. 

I am still wrestling with how I feel so I appreciate this to make me think about it more and even more. I love you Mike, and gotta get dressed for work and stop writing now because the boss will not appreciate me working in pjs!!! :):)

Go Cubbies
June 18, 2009

Mike,

I would say I agree with your overall premise. Political activism and making Christianity out to be a resistance movement against certain issues is not what Christ intends for his church to represent. Theological liberation movements are a classic example. One advertisement had a nun with a machine gun draped over the front of her. The caption above her read "A New Theology for a New World." This is not new. The anger of man does not bring about the righteousness of God.

However, on the flip side, it is important not to minimize the degree of evil that this act represents. I think that if we are pro Jesus this heinous procedure ought to break our hearts. It should motivate us to adopt children, get involved in the furtherance of enacting laws that will lead to a pro-life position, and most of all pray.

I believe that if we are proJesus, abortion should absolutely break our hearts. After all, it breaks the heart of God. This is the taking away of human life.

Go Cubbies
June 18, 2009
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Mike n Laura
June 18, 2009
JLee, thanks for the star. I've read a couple of your blogs, you have some interesting things to say.

Cubbie, I couldn't agree more. The evil that is abortion is apalling, and wreaks havoc on my heart when I consider... However, much (though not ALL) political activism done in the name of Jesus tears apart his bride (the church), and serves to drive many ppl away from the cross. Christians should be absolutely LOVELY, if they are truly "Christ-ian", shouldn't they (we)???? Where do we find love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control in what passes for defense of the unborn these days?
Go Cubbies
June 18, 2009
Good word bro!!!
Mike n Laura
June 18, 2009
higherground (Juanita), you pay me compliments I don't deserve...thanks sister! To wrestle with this blog is to seek to understand my thoughts, motivated by my intense desire to be Christlike and to come more and more under the influence of the Holy Spirit. (for anyone to wrestle w/anything I write is to pay me an undeserved honor!!) 

As I just wrote to Cubbie, when I look at most Christian political activism these days, I see little that resembles the admonitions of Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc. to be like Christ. The fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) is the same fruit Jesus bore. Paul urges ALL of us who believe to imitate Christ's humility (Philippians 2), and to submit to all authorities (Romans 13). ETC...(I could go on.)

Jesus told us to LOVE our enemies. What are the characteristics of love? 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. There are so many words and actions of political/social protest these days that make a mockery of these traits! In my opinion, representing (and imitating) Christ while participating in events to make our voices heard is AT LEAST as important as the end result we seek with our voices.

If we could just be different from the world, radically different.....
Mike n Laura
June 18, 2009
Juanita, putting the red "Life" tape on your mouth was an interesting exercise. I would be willing to bet that event was handled with the utmost respect and concern for Christ's reputation among those who witnessed the event.
Mike n Laura
June 18, 2009
Deb, thanks so much for weighing in! As seems usual, we are of one mind (and heart). Ah, the Spirit! :)  btw, hatred is of this world, isn't it?
HigherGround
June 18, 2009

Oh sweet  man, I wrestled more and more, woke a few times in the night even. I don't know what God is trying to tell me but then I got up and listened to Greg Laurie on the radio instead of singing or calling Cella, and he preached something that sort of settled it in my mind what I was thinking of. He said anger is acceptable if it is NOT self serving. It has to be eternal issues. He talked of Jesus in the temple overthrowing the tables and likened the scene to a western when someone thinks they have been cheated at poker.

I have had so much unrest about abortions that I finally said to God, ok, I can only bear this because at least these babies are with you and maybe they would have grown up without you and not known you. 

I am NOT angry with those involved necessarily and HATED when Tiller was murdered. I doubt he was saved. I would lean more that he was a churchgoer perhaps out of tradition, as I would wonder how he could do what he did, and if he was not saved, now he is eternally damned. Only God knows but that was not an answer. Those thousands he aborted are with Jesus. I find comfort. I strayed from topic a bit as usual, but what I mean to say is I think awareness is important and we who know have a pulpit to make it known and make our voices heard in Washington. 

Having now blathered on and on. I had a friend question my modesty this week for wearing a spaghetti strap dress to a wedding. She didn't think I was honoring God. I actually wore the same dress to MY wedding and had not worn it since and Jim and I will be married 5 years this July 5th. I didn't think it was inappropriate and she is older but I told her I would pray about it. I have NO desire to be a stumbling block to anyone. 

However having said that, I know my choices in many things raised eyebrows and God blessed. (not clothes, lol) I spoke to men at the campground about the Lord instead and just this week one wrote and said he and his daughter and her mom have found a great church. This man was blatently flirting with me and I made my position clear but maintained friendship. He reads the blogs on here. 

I visited Josh in jail until he got out. He is doing ok, not great but he got saved. I had many people say I should not, as it was an ugly area of town. I took the risk. 

Loving the sometimes ornery or unlovely is what we are called to do often. If they are politically different or too liberal for our taste, we aren't to bash them, for kindness is what will bring them in. 

Anyone hear music in the background while you are reading this? (green acres throwback) 

love ya sir....God is teaching me many things these days and a friend just left a message that God told her to pray for me "bigtime". I led her to the Lord in 2001. She graduated with me and Jim in Michigan so going to call her and pray with her and see what God will bring from that. peace/out juanita mae

dave buckingham
June 23, 2009
True Mike it is very easy to miss the point.  the Love of Y'shua...
Ian Grant Spong
June 25, 2009
Do we respect fellow human beings as children of God? While we may choose differently, do we respect the freedom which God gave us all to make decisions? We cannot legislate away every evil. Is that not the lesson we ought to have learned from the Old Testament, the Holy Roman Empire and other attempts at theocracy on earth? Is not grace a better ally than law?
Sheree Timms
June 27, 2009
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2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

We have a responsibility, as i was reading i couldn't help but to think about what Paul told Timothy as he was coming to the end of his ministry and had placed a younger generation over the church to carry on God's Word

3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all [men], as theirs also was.

Christ is closer today than He was yesterday, Not all have the same gifts, but i admonish you, whatever the work God has given you, stop talking about it and be about it, all of this Christ told us would happen, and all of this is to deliver us up to the tribulation, Mike if God called you to sing a new song then i need you to sing out loud because what He called me to is Spiritual Warfare and before every battle they sent in Judah with Praise and Worship so if i got you singing and we as the intersessors are praying in our most Holy Language and the Absolute Word of God is going forth and not this watered down stuff to make us feel good, and we understand that we go in with Victory fightng and already defeated foe, then i declare we are ready for the tribulation, it is just a matter of everyone doing what it is that God called/choswe us to do.

Christ changed hearts by speaking the true unadulterated Word of God into the heart of man, so basically The Spirit spoke to The Spirit and conquered flesh, if we are hiding The Word in our hearts, then why are we sinning against God?

119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


so if we believe The Word of God, how is it easy to sin against God, but He did say that there would be some to turn away from the faith, because it is just easier to g along with the crowd than to suffer the persecutions for Righteousness, and He also said that they would heap up for themselves teachers to satisfy thier itching ears, and that homosexuality is nothing more than the final stages of rebellion against God and a sign that the nation is in it final stages of decay, so can we just chalk it up to, it had to happen so that the promises of God can manifest and He ended it with "Then You will know that I am the Lord your God" because so many has forgotten who He is and they think that He does not see what the elders are doing, they think that He does not care that His children are being led to a burning hell, but it is all working together for His Glory 
Margo Burdette
June 27, 2009
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I know I read blogs late, forgive me.

Righteous protests often come across as unloving, as Juanita's son evidently felt about her march in DC.  And sometimes they actually are delivered by people who don't love the Lord, but are more interested in hearing themselves talk. (This was the case with the Pharisees that did not believe in Jesus, although maybe some of them came around after his crucifixion). But Jesus Himself turned over tables in protest of the people who had turned His father's house into a "den of thieves"

I definitely agree that anti-this or anti-that protesting should never become a distraction between a person and God.  And I also agree that if people feel they are being judged, they will stop listening to the self-righteous person who they feel is judging them, no matter how well intentioned that person is.

I understand your point about John the Baptist serving a purpose before Jesus' crucifixion, which is now the center of Christianity. But maybe his purpose did not end after Jesus' death and resurrection, because even now before a person can understand God's grace and mercy, he first must understand he needs it. I have seen many people come to that tearful understanding in the "small-town, good old-fashioned" Baptist church I go to now. I have also heard the story of my husband who stopped going to another Baptist church before we met because they asked him to please not ride his motorcycle there (he had no other vehicle at the time). He still feels unfairly judged.

I was raised in the Episcopal church and love it. There is where I first heard the phrase "Love the sinner, hate the sin". Recently, the Episcopal church has been split over the issue of allowing gay men to be priests.  Is telling a person that it is okay to disobey God as long as they are sorry about it really doing them any favors?  I have found that life is better when I obey God even when I am inclined not to, than when I disobey Him and then ask Him to forgive me.  My stepson was very good at pulling my heartstrings by acting very sorry when I tried to explain to him why it was not a good idea to sneak out of the house to hang out with his friends until 4:00 in the morning and then sleep until 2:00 in the afternoon everyday. He is in jail now serving 4 years - I no longer have the power to help him, except to pray for him and let him know I still love him.

If the church stops being anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage, who will preach God's word? We should not be hateful - we should be understanding.  If we don't understand that we are no better than the girls who are making a huge decision in their lives, or to people who defend their right to look for love from people of the same sex because they don't feel the love from the church, then we need to examine our own relationship with God.  But that does not mean we should go to the other extreme of not caring about people enough to try to pull them out of the fire, even if they think they like being warm.
Birdie Courtright
June 28, 2009
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Catching up on your blogs! This is so well written, Mike. 
"His approach to social issues was an indirect approach, aimed at changing hearts rather than laws and behaviors."  That says it all. The direct approach polarizes, but the Jesus approach unifies, heals, strengthens, loves. And love never fails, not even when confronted with the most difficult social issues and agendas.