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Another crack at Holy Communion
||June 21, 2009|494 reads
 

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Charity Thomas
June 21, 2009
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Joey     R
June 21, 2009
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Mike,
Holy, that is what I call the moment you shared with your son and God.  Sweet, tender and oh, so very Holy.

Your sister in Christ,
Joey
Ragland Jebaraj
June 21, 2009
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Hiya Brother.  Well I think I have given to understand that I am a comedian in my family. It is definitely true. Coming back to the more serious topic which is your blog here, even if your son doesnt pay attention that he ought to dont bother, you go ahead and tell him what you ought to.  When he becomes an adult, it definitely comes to his mind. It will be even better if you give the task of teaching spirituality with Laura. Boys listen to mothers and girls listen to fathers.

 

Mike n Laura
June 21, 2009
Yes Joey, it was indeed set apart for a special purpose, wasn't it? Praising God! Thanks sister, :-)

Thanks Scream_Like...(Charity)! =)
Joey     R
June 21, 2009
Rags,
Why is it that way.  I don't get it.    Hmmmm...  I don't any boys.
Oh,  I forgot.  This is Mike's blog. 
Love you Mike!
Mike n Laura
June 21, 2009
Rag..."Boys listen to mothers and girls listen to fathers."  This seems like sound advice. I hope though that this boy listens to his father b/c Laura will tell you she does not have the gift of teaching. I don't want to say my son's current spiritual state is evidence of that, though it's tempting. There is a father/daughter and mother/son dynamic in our family that is hard to fully describe. Nevertheless, my heart aches for my son, for ALL my kids, to KNOW the Lord, to TRUST him, to LOVE and APPRECIATE him!! I continue to do the things I know are needed, even if they don't get the response I think they should get. It's HARD to do this!!!!! It would be so easy to give up and throw in the towel!! Rag, we're talking YEARS of painful frustration here!

Just keep makin me laugh, bro. It's helping ;-)
Mike n Laura
June 21, 2009
Joey, TALK! Cross-talk is permitted! :-)

(ok, Rag, answer the question dude - lol)
Ragland Jebaraj
June 21, 2009

Joey Yes Cross talking allowed. Now back to the subject, I think this is my observation....in life. My moms words are still ringing in my ears..... My son does exactly what his mom tells and does not do what I advice him to do.  I think children's brains are programmed easily by moms.... my wife always talks about her father and what he said etc.

The son would have thought of you as the hero when he was 5-6 years old. Now he want to be on his own and learn by himself ( Mike I am sure you must have done the same ).  Now between 13-18 he will think he knows every thing and his father is a fool. Now you have to really wait till he is around 40 for him to acknowledge that his father was a great hero and his father knew everything and he was a great man. ( I think that is why you have posted your Dad's picture in face book I am sure Mike)

My advice to you Mike whether your son likes it or not, just go ahead and talk to him what you wanted to tell him.  I did that with my son. I still do it.  BTW he is 18 years old now. I still do a one-on-one with him. I also involve him with other youngsters and teach them all. I communicate to my son indirectly when I am talking to others. 

This is one of my longest comments and hope I have bored you not.

Joey. This understand of mine is a law of nature I suppose.  Opposites attract.

 

Gary Robison
June 21, 2009
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At our Boy Scout troop, we try to instill a teaching of Christ in different ways. The boys seem to listen more to their peers that to other adults. That is the way Scouts is supposed to run, with the older boys teaching the younger ones. And the adults there just to make sure they don't get too rowdy. My son has learned a lot from the older boys. It doesn't always show at first, but eventually he surprises me with different things he has picked up from the older boys.
Joyful Servant
June 22, 2009
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There is some good advice here Mike based on sound experience and practice. 

I would like to encourage you to 

keep on teaching your son Mike whatever you can, directly and indirectly, without force if you can  =]

The Bible says to

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Prov. 22:6

Even when children act like they aren't learning or you think they aren't, they sure do seem to remember a lot when they get older. 

And ask for more of those God led moments like today. That was an awesome and sweet orchestration by our Father for you and your son on Father's Day. That makes it that much more special. ..that our Heavenly Father would give you a glimpse into the desires of your heart on Father's Day.

God bless you Mike (n Laura).

Old Man of The North
June 22, 2009
I think its really important Mike, to realise he's only 10 years old.  As hard as it may sound to you, he cannot fully grasp the "spiritual" aspect of Christianity.  I know I couldn't.  And to a certain extent - still can't.  I'm more of a practical person than a spiritual person, hence in my blog writing - which incorporates more of a practical illustration than a spiritual one.  For risk of sounding off-beat, gaining from my own experience as a Christian, there's got to be something to grab hold of - to make that spiritualness (if that's the way to describe it) come alive.  Anything else is just religion.  In short, people do it because other people do it, kinda like "parrot fashion", without finding out the true meaning behind it.  After all, and without wanting to sound offensive, there's got to be more to this life than being just "spiritual", as its got to be incorporated into real life and the way people express themselves in real life.  To put this into a real context.  If people were to buy something, then find out it was something else when they got back home, something in that equation is wrong.  In the same way, people can act one way behind church walls, then act totally different when they get back home, depending on who they meet whilst behind home walls.  Example, and without aiming it at anyone. Do people act the same way, whether they meet up with a Christian - compared to a non-Christian?  Example again.  Would your conversation or reply to me change if you found out I was not what I said I was when you looked at the packet?  And as strange as it may sound.  When people talk to me, they imagine this person as being an "altogether person" who's got things "just right", where in actual fact, I'm just like anyone else who's on a journey.  And for the record.  Someone from over the pond spoke to me for the first time a couple of weeks back, and what they imagined me to be, compared to what they heard - were somewhat different.  If I were to swing this back to your blog.  Your son (just like everyone else) is on a journey of discovery.  Let him find out that discovery.  Just because you are spiritual, doesn't mean he will follow suit.  To put this into context again.  There are two Christians in my family.  My eldest sister is one, and I'm the other.  She is spiritual, I am not.  When the two collide, there's war.  Why?  Because I want to know the meaning behind the meaning - and where it can be applied into real life. She on the other-hand - just believes.  For a better way of explaining it.  Its like believing in the tooth fairy, only to find out there's no such thing as a tooth fairy.  Its spiritual verses practical.  Its a bit like James 2:14-18 [NIV].  People can claim to have faith, but where is the deed that backs it up?  Again its spiritual verses practical.  What good is faith - when there's nothing behind it to back it up?  In short, let him discover the meaning behind the meaning.  When he eventually discovers that meaning (just like I did) what he believes in will have more clout.  Here ends my response.
Preston Pittman
June 22, 2009
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Mike, I know that moment. Man, what a reward. Life together with our boys takes many different journeys, but one trip that is vitally important is that one up to the top of the hill. You know where I'm talking about. The sooner we make that terrible long climb up there the better. Behind the struggles, worries, prayers, and training of Justin,... was "MY" relationship,... my obediance, my, trusting in, and relying upon Him. Amen?

Genesis 22:13 Then Abraham looked up and glanced around, and behold, behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up for a burnt offering and an ascending sacrifice instead of his son!
Preston Pittman
June 22, 2009
I love you Mike. Great Post.
REMARKABLE TERRY
June 22, 2009
I agree, He's only ten and where were we at 10?  You are an excellent role model and he's watching your every move.  Father's Day, Good Move.  You keep setting an example, he is watching and one day he will imitate.  The old saying is "mama boys, daddy's girls"  but one day they cross over, be ready. love you Mike.
HigherGround
June 22, 2009
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I had several of those encounters with my sons and hold them special in my heart. Starting to enjoy some with my grands. I just told my son this weekend that his daughter aged six didn't want to hear another Jesus story from me. I felt a bit emotional about that but she was all ears when I shared about Baalam's donkey and showed it to her in Numbers 22. It was a moment that was special because she responded with interest. Since I had only boys, can only speak to the fact they were always close to me coming up. I read the comments all the way down and then saw Terry's Father's Day, Good Move and the seriousness of this dissolved into a good feeling grin. I agree. I also think you are out of Joey's backyard doghouse now and can safely say she won't pull your ears. :)

JULIE  kiger
June 22, 2009
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Brother Todd
June 22, 2009
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I rejoice with you.  Communion is all about fellowship...hence the word "communion" and being right with God enables us to be right with each other. Blessings on you, and praise the Lord for His goodness.  Keep loving and praying for your son and model Christ the best you can he will come around.

sharon
June 22, 2009
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Dave Hamm
June 22, 2009
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Bethany Price
June 22, 2009
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mstovall2003
June 22, 2009
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Craig
June 22, 2009
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Well since we're all giving Mike advice... :-)  LOL!

I only have one piece if advice (well...one multi-faceted piece.  LOL).  Remember that you didn't save yourself and you are not going to save yourself.  Then remember the same applies to your son.  Having set the foundation: remember who did save you, who is saving you, and why.  Then remember the same applies to your son.

If you want to pray for a gift, pray that you just might have the gift of getting out of God's way so that He can accomplish His purpose in your son's life.  Oh, yeah...he might even do some things through you too...just like He did with the communion.

Count on it Mike; I know I am for my own son's  :-)  [We had a special alone time in the car on the way home from church; I know it wasn't just Dad and I believe he does too...that's all that counts!]

Blessings!
Craig

Gene Downs
June 22, 2009
I was reminded of the anti-smoking commercial back in the 70s and 80s - "like father, like son".  I don't really think preteens and teens can really "get it" because most of them haven't really been around the block enough.  But your son DID see that it had an effect on you.  Later on in life when communion gets pooh-poohed by someone he can relate to, he'll remember that it affected you ....and wonder. 

Asking questions with the intent of finding the truth is what drives people to own their faith.  It is in this method of formation that a real relationship with Christ grows.  That's how an academic belief in Christ transforms into a relationship, a faith that enables us to trust in him when all the evidence around us tells us to do otherwise.

Keep up your own faith and the prayers for your family.  And thanks for sharing the spiritual struggles in the family.

Gene
Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009

Many delightful comments! ...As usual ;-)  All input here is joyfully rec'd and appreciated!

Gene, yes he saw....I believe he sees enough to know how BIG a motivator God is in my own life. Also hoping this makes an impression on him, which he will store in the memory banks for later reference.

Craig, God saved me, 100%. And God will have to save my son (and daughters). I do indeed pray that I will be used by God to build faith in them, not become an obstacle to it.  :) 

Todd, I am rejoicing, glad to have company,  =]   Sunday morning was the kind of milestone I crave with all my kids, a deeply spiritual moment that can be explained in an understandable way.  e.g. "Daddy, why were you crying?"  "My son, it is b/c we are remembering the broken body and shed blood of the Man who loved you and me so much he allowed them to nail him to a wooden cross."  Communion.....I happen to love that word. :-)

Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009
higherground...lol. I think some ppl are just too quick to put others IN the doghouse, lol.  I will always hold the moments shared Sunday w/Nathaniel close to my heart....a fond memory. :-)
Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009
Terry, yep he's only 10. I was horrible at 10. But then, my parents didn't do anywhere near the prep work that Laura and I are doing. So that isn't the best comparison (thankfully, lol). Yet I must remember he's only 10. Plus, I admit that I compare him to my oldest daughter, who, at 10, was significantly further along. It is dangerous to compare siblings, they are all different and have their own pace. I pray daily for the grace and mercy of the Father to be mirrored into my son's life through me. Like I said to Craig, the last thing I want to be is an obstacle to faith, and if I lack grace....well, that sounds like an obstacle to me.
Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009

Preston, it was a big time reward...so glad you've been there too. Love you as well. :-)

Thank you Penny (Joyful Servant)...we cling to Prov. 22:6. It's a lovely promise, and since we can't control HIM, we seek to DO what we can while he is living under our roof, i.e. persevere, training and disciplining in love, never neglecting or allowing him to set his own course (at least not while he's so young). 

Gary, ah Boy Scouts. I don't remember my own Boy Scout experience as a positive one. But given the right leadership and troop makeup, it certainly could be. We've actually considered it, just haven't chosen to at this time.

Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009
Stevie....you are a wise man. Yes I agree, we MUST realize he's only 10 and not put undue pressure on him or expect too much. I believe that we're pretty darn graceful toward him, but the kid really tries our patience sometimes!!!! LOL! (Forget the spiritual aspects of his upbringing for a second, and consider just plain ol' good behavior! lol) I agree in fact w/virtually everything you write. It is so difficult to get a child to even begin to "see" w/o using their eyes (i.e. have faith). This is why I believe it is so important that the lives Laura and I lead before our children are CONSISTENT with the words out of our mouths, and the words found in scripture. If what they read in the bible agrees w/how we live, there is something tangible on which to base their belief. (Like belief in Santa....the gifts he leaves are the "proof" of his existence, at least to a youngster.)  Thanks a LOT for the time you took to share, Stevie.
Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009

Rag, I agree 1000%. We must ignore the outward signs of unbelief and continue to say/do what is right....train a child in the way he should go....there is no "if" clause in that admonition (i.e. "if a child appears interested, then train him in the way he should go...").  We're doin our best, too!

ps... I love cross-talk!

Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009
Thanks Julie K, Sharon, Dave, Mary (mstovall), and Bethany, I APPRECIATE that you let me know you read (and enjoyed) this!!!
Craig
June 22, 2009

Mike, I was really just trying to encourage you to trust in the fact that God wants to save them and live through them more than we want Him too!

When my son Eric was 10 I had a dream of him asking his teacher--in the Christian School--about receiving the baptism of Jesus in the Holy Spirit. She told him "We can't talk about that here."  That upset me when I woke up and I began to pray about it...and began looking for someplace I could take my son's where they would see actually manifestations of the Spirit, and healing.  I was at a Malcolm Smith retreat and heard about Andrew Wommack.  I looked him up and then was inspired to take my family to a vacation in Colorado.  He was having a family bible conference and we'd be free during the day to do vacation stuff.

My wife liked the idea and we went.  For the first time in their lives my sons actually say people instantly healed--and the guy wasn't in an emotional frenzy--and my younger son, Eric, went forward--on his own--to receive the baptism of Jesus in the Holy Spirit.  He received and also spoke in tongues.  We had them immerse him in water the next day in the pool too!

When we came back he was walking with me--about 3 miles--and we were singing in the spirit.  When we got to our street he (10 years old) grabbed my hand and said "Dad!"  I said, "Yes, Eric?"  He said, "Thank you so much for taking me to Colorado, my life will never be the same."  Well, those words are burned into me forever.  I didn't give myself the dream.  I didn't inspire myself to take that vacation.  I didn't get him to go forward.

What I did do, was to lift the dream to God in prayer, expect that He was the source, and then not get in God's way: just do what I saw Him doing and go where I saw Him going.  :-)  That's what you did with the Communion.

Blessings!
Craig

Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009
Thanks for sharing that experience, Craig. Many fathers would DO ANYTHING to have such wonderful experiences w/their children. If we're faithful to the Lord and to our families, I believe God is also faithful to give us such opportunities. It is important to know, that God loves our kids MORE than we do! Great point!
Phillip Ross
June 22, 2009
Mike, I hope you didn't talk to him about "juice and crackers." Juice and crackers?! --Phil
Liz Bell
June 22, 2009
How I enjoy your blogs and all the comments

Give them (as I am sure that you have already done) to God and He will use the right timing to bring him to the place of salvation. This what I have had to do as mine all made the professions while young and then met their partners in life and now don't go to church, by God has them covered with the blood and His promise true is that they will be His 
DENISE
June 22, 2009
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crystal
June 22, 2009
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Have you heard any good news today, today, Have you heard any good news today?
Yes I did, from Mike and Laura!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gives me hope for my kids. wooohooo!!!!
Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009

Thanks Denise :)

Liz, the joy of this place is we get to encourage each other!  Glad to hear yours made their professions while young.  We've pushed past the professions themselves, pressing for a life change in response to the professions.  We hope the professions are the start (and foundation) of new lives. :)

Phil, sorry, I s'pose I did take liberties. "Cracker" is shorthand for unleavened bread, "cracker-like" flatbread, or matza, which is what our church uses. And "juice" is literal for....juice, which we use in place of wine. 

 

Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009
Crystal, be encouraged, if you persistently DO as the Spirit leads in the raising of your kids, I am 100% certain that Spirit-ordained opportunities will come along. How can they not? Yes, be encouraged! As Craig said above, God loves our kids more than we do! If we give up the resistance to HIS perfect will, I know he will use us to teach and instruct our kids!
pandabear
June 22, 2009
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DarkRadiance
June 22, 2009
Perhaps if you referred to it as the Body and Blood of Christ rather than "juice and a cracker" he might take it a little more seriously. Just a thought. After all the language that we use totally affects our God concepts.
Yvelisse
June 22, 2009
What a true joy to partake of the Lord's supper together.

Lead by example "daddy", Amen.

How will they learn lest we teach them!!!
God bless you!
CraftsReen
June 22, 2009
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Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009
Thanks Maureen and Panda! :)

MD, no worries, I didn't discuss "juice and crackers" with my son....and now I understand where PARoss was coming from. Thanks for your comment!

Yvelisse, yes it was blissful. My son saw daddy's appreciation for the actual body and blood, plus he rec'd biblical instruction. As it should be. Thanks sister. :)
Leigh Thomas
June 22, 2009
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Echoing Joyful Servant's comment.  Sometimes we get frustrated because Jolie doesn't seem to listen to our nightly Bible study, but it just blows our minds when she answers the questions correctly!  Train up a child in the way they should go...I take that opportunity every chance I get.  When I see something tacky on TV and Jolie is there, I point it out to her and say, "That's tacky.  God wouldn't want His children to behave/dress/say/sing/dance, etc., that way"  I also point out to her when she is being bad, "Would you want your child to act this way?" That grabs her attention and the answer is always, "no, mommy."  Then I give her encouragement and say then you should not act that way. 

You're doing great, Mike!!!

LoveLeigh
Mike n Laura
June 22, 2009
aw, thanks Leigh. You just now reminded me of this verse, "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Pet 3:9)   If I'm patient, and graceful, toward my son, he's FAR more likely to see a godly example, 'cuz that's the way God IS!! But if I lose my patience w/him and yell or punish harshly everytime he doesn't do what I want him to do wrt bible reading, prayer, devotionals, etc., I'm less likely to actually point him toward Christ and more likely to store up resentment and bitterness in him. I think I'll choose grace. (..rather, I think I have!)
Sherlock
June 24, 2009
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Sherlock
June 24, 2009
Awww!! :D
June 24, 2009
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Nathaniel couldn't have asked for a better dad than you hon!  It's a priviledge to parent with you!
Prayer Warrior For God
June 24, 2009
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GrammyB
June 25, 2009
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Really enjoyed this blog & reading everyone's insights. :)  So much good stuff!  Those "teachable moments" are so sweet, aren't they? 

As a child, I remember feeling a big difference between my personal relationship with my friend Jesus  and what I saw happening in church.  In my personal relationship with Him, I could be sitting in a tree or riding my bicycle or  doing some other typical kid thing -- and I'd feel His Presence and talk to Him like I'd talk to anyone else.  I completely enjoyed Him!

In church, I had to sit still and behave.  UGH.  It took me a while to understand why people thought they needed to dress in uncomfortable clothes and sit on hard pews and sing slow songs just to be in God's Presence. :) :) :)  LOL!  Adults sure didn't make any sense, it seemed like they wanted to take all the joy out of the relationship.

Funny thing is, I haven't changed much. That must be why I "teach" children's church. Still trying to figure out grown-ups!!!

Mike n Laura
June 25, 2009

LQE- my better half!!! What a joy and honor to host a comment from you! =)

Megan, thanks :-)

OMGosh...GrammyB, I think you just summed up my life! LOL.. It was only when I hit 40 and was told by other people that I had become OLD that I actually started ACTING like it!!!! lol..

Deb Rockwell
June 28, 2009
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Let's hope that your son will continue to grow spiritually as he grows older and gets more mature.  He has an excellent example in you to follow.