you posted this verse, then countered what it says...

For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

He is in control, when we vote, for president.. we are not voting for the president, but rather for our preselected  representatives to make a choice... but these representatives don't have to choose the way we vote. It is called the electoral college. And through our history, they have voted against our votes.

 I cast my vote, but only because I am supposed to. I listen to the candidates, but can never trust a word coming out of their mouths. With the laws in place now, there is nothing preventing them from making promises that they know they will ever keep, and lie to us every day they speak.

So even though we vote, He guides the electoral college to place who He has chosen,  because what we sow as a nation, we Will reap.

THE NICKY JAMES MOVEMENT  That is so true!

Jess, your vote only influences the electoral college, and they do NOT have to vote according to what WE THE PEOPLE choose, it is only recommended that they do, not that they HAVE to choose according to the way we cast our vote.

As a Christian you have forfeited your rights for now you are not your own you have been bought with a price.  (thanks Bro. Todd)

You've heard...Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's...
"As with all authority, there are limits, including limits on civil govt.  We know this only from the Bible.  It might also help to realize that we do not live under Caesar.  Our civil rulers took an oath to uphold the Constitution which is the 'supreme law of the land.'  Neither the president nor the the members of Congress are Caesar.  If we have a 'Caesar,' it is the United States Constitution.  But even the Constitution recognizes its own limits and the right of the people to (1) express their grievances, (2) vote corrupt and oath-breaking rulers out of office, and (3) change existing laws through an amendment process."  ~Gary DeMar~
I am INDEED aware, Mr. Robison, that I've been bought with a price.

And so has my country...

Amen Lara, sure we can vote, but not trust any system managed by man, for there will always be corruption and manipulation in any man made institution.

And yes, the reason the nation is in the state it is in now, is because our lights are dim.

The Electoral College only controls the Presidential race.

As to the other elections, of course they have no say.

As to liberal diatribe, far from it.

I do vote, as often as possible, on City, State and National levels.

But I also realize that the vote I cast is more of an act of futility.

Here in Oklahoma, we had a lot of dead people voting, and addresses traced back to empty lots, from registered democrat voters that do not exist.

My statements are only because I do not put my faith on a system designed by man, and easily manipulated or polluted by greed for power.

As to mandated to be a steward of my rights and privileges... mandated by whom? Not Christ. When I became a Christian, I forfeited all of my rights, for I am dead to the world, and have another kingdom to be concerned of. I am only passing through. 

We as Christians don't need to be distracted by the concerns of thing of this world, our focus should be on His kingdom, and those of our spiritual family. And how to promote His love for the world.

We can not serve two masters, you either serve the concerns of the world, or the concerns of His kingdom.

Gerald, what you propose sounds good, but is it scriptural... are to to be consumed with the concerns of the worldly governments? If so, please show me.

Yes, His kingdom will come, and when it does, all these other kingdoms, including the United States will all be done away with.... so why be consumed with a kingdom that will not last.

we in africa think america is in control ...but china is coming up with it's socialism and europe still stands firm in it's old traditions...

we NEED GOD to rule us ...not man anymore

Joanh,

I want to say thank you for you input on this blog.  Your statement here has shown that through the Internet how "small" our world really is!  To address your statement that "America is in control" is not correct. God has used people to establish His will in the Earth.  In the first 150 year of our country, the members of Congress had church service in the Capitol Rotunda (the dome in the center of the building where the Congress meets).  Since the inception of our country we have opened up every session of Congress with prayer.  

The problem is that (through the American secular media) our citizens have forgotten their history.  Sadly, this is a fufillment of Hosea 4:6. This is why a reformation is needed and why people  such as myself are trying to get the word out that we get back to basics and put God at the forefront of our government.  

Regarding China, they are praticing what I call "Controlled Capitalism"  They don't they mind their people being wealthy, so long as the socialists in government stay in control.  As far as Europe is concerned, between the Church's apathy, the declining birthrate, and rising Islamic population it is only matter  of time (unless God intervenes) that Europe will be an Islamic region.     

Hope this helps.

Gerald, in response to your response to my response...hehehe

1) how do you influence those around you that they should vote for righteous candidates - besides using prayer?                (I don't)

2) How is that supposed to be resolved               (I have contacted them, but as they themselves are democrats, it falls on deaf ears)

3) The answer is God does.  Read Psalms 24:1     I think you have stretched this quite a bit out of context.   Since God moved upon men to establish the rights we have, it is your responsibilty to steward those rights.   As I don't see that in this verse.

 4) If Christianity became illiegal in this country (at present course is not a farfetched conclusion) and all Christians were put in jail,  who would you eveangelize?    Why the jailers of course. But since it is illegal in a lot of countries already, and evangelizing is still taking place, often at the cost of their lives. I don't understand your answer here.

 5) When we as the Church have influence/control over the home, media, finance, education, government, the arts and entertainment, and yes religion too, how easy and quickly would the Kingdom of Heaven be set up on the Earth?   You don't seem to understand that the kingdom of God is spiritual, in the sense you speak of. As to His kingdom beeing set up, physically, there will be so much falling away, and suffering prior to this happening.                 Besides that, the "church" had a large control of these in the late '70's and early '80's, but as usual, flesh took over, and it was corrupt. So, until His return, His kingdom will not be setup physically.

So Gary,

Let's see if I got this straight:

1)  You dont influence ANYONE to vote in accordance to Scripture.   


2)  You continually have contacted the Registrar, but to no avail no one will listen.  Maybe you need to contact other voters and you could address them as a group.  Oh yeah, you dont influnence anyone to vote according to Scripture so I guess you wouldnt tell them that the system that you and those in your state pay taxes for is broken and doesnt really matter since Jesus is coming soon.

3)  Psalms 24:1 is not a stretch.  If God trusted human beings to write the Gospels (30-50 years after the ascencion of Christ) knowing the writers has the responsibilty to steward what the Holy Spirit dictated to them, yet the same God who would invent government, would not ask other human beings to create a government that would steward his principles so that all in this nation have the freedom to choose Him?  Yet you're calling that a "stretch"? 

4)  If the jailers were instructed to shoot on sight anyone that would talk to them you would chhose martyrdom rather on waiting to see if God may have another plan?  It's your answer I dont understand.

5) I do understand that the Kingdom is spiritual. Yet it lives within natural law.  True, it is not bound by it, but it lives there nonetheless.  Dont believe me. look in the mirror.  As far as the Church having control in the 70's and 80's over the areas aformentioned, I dont know where you got you're information from, but you need to re-exmine it.  Pastors have not been able to publically endorse a candidate since 1954.  That was written into the U.S. Tax Code by then Senator Lyndon Baines Johnson.  Had we had righteous govenment back then, we would be living out Proverbs 29:2.  Christians would have been voting in righteous candidates under the influence of their pastors and things such as Obamacare never would have sprung up.

1)  You dont influence ANYONE to vote in accordance to Scripture.   What Scripture tells me to influence someone how to vote... and how do you propose I influence them TO vote?

 2.  Maybe you need to contact other voters and you could address them as a group. We have a radio station, that came down so hard on this issue, even trying to get a law to require ID cards be presented when we vote.  and it still has not been addressed, if the governement won't listen, then what do you propose.... a revolution? When I vote, I have been told DO NOT SHOW YOUR ID CARD!

 3)  Psalms 24:1 is not a stretch.  huh???? yet the same God who would invent government, huh???? you have lost me on this one????

 4)  If the jailers were instructed to shoot on sight anyone that would talk to them you would chose martyrdom rather on waiting to see if God may have another plan? I would have faith.

 5) Pastors have not been able to publically endorse a candidate since 1954.  Go back to 3) where does the Constitution that you say God created, say that pastors should influence elections?

Here's a link to the Constitution.

1) The Scripture reference is Proverbs 29:2  If you knew your American History, such as how the Founding Fathers felt about God and government, We would have more righteous people having their vote line up with Scriptue.

2) How long ago have you tried?  Are the same people in power as when you tried?  Have you taken this to this to the state level? Have you contacted (former Congressman) J.C. Watts?  I'm sure he would interested in something like this.

With regards to 3-5, it has become very evident that you choose martyrdom over fighting for the government that God has given us.  So there really no need in ressponding to your repsonses.  

 

As to the American History, there was a mix of believers and non-believers. In fact, there were many debates on this very issue.

George Washington,  never declared himself a Christian 

John Adams,  wrote that he found among the lawyers 'noble and gallant achievements" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces".

In fact, in the Treaty of Tripoli, John Adams says America is NOT founded on Christianity.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

 In fact,  John Adams was a Unitarian

Jefferson identified himself as a Unitarian, He also rejected the idea of the divinity of Christ, but as he writes to William Short on October 31, 1819, he was convinced that the fragmentary teachings of Jesus constituted the "outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man."

James Madison, was not religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." 

Ethan Allen, said, "That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." 

Benjamin Franklin, said:
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble.

So, don't tell me our nation's hero's were all Christian.

some of these were Diests,

Deism is a belief in a divine power and a form of unorganized religion.

The early deist looked at foundational science and believed the miracles of this world could not have been created without a divine presence. Further deists had no difficulties believing the concept of evolution, since they did not rely on creation stories from major religions. In fact almost every deist embraces evolution wholeheartedly since it is considered a reasonable explanation for the way in which people came to be on the earth.

They have a sense that a concept of God may occasionally produce miracles or work in small ways in people’s lives but that these works are not adequately understandable by reason.

Deists have been highly influential in American politics, since many of the founding fathers of the US can be considered deists. These include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison. Usually, George Washington is included in the list of deists.

Particular emphasis for the deist is the practice of freedom of religion, which allows for individuals to have their own concept of a divine power. Also the individual is allowed to worship as he or she sees fit. 

One last note, then I will not both you with this any more....

And some were atheists, some were agnostics, and others were Unitarian.

What people fail to realize, is that history will always be written by those who happen to be in power at the time the books were written. This does not change history, only our perspective of it.

At the time most of the older history books were written, Christians influenced the writing of history, and because of that, certain aspects of the people of old were left out,

But because we now have a more non-Christian leadership in congress, we are seeing some of the writings that were squelched in the past.

It does not make me happy to know these facts, because when I was a kid, I too looked up to the Founding Fathers,

But since I have been trying to understand more about the truth about our past, I find that sometimes, our perspectives get squewed, not because we were wrong, but because the government wants to control the thought process of it's people.

This has happened all throughout  history though, so it is nothing new.

The last note:    THEY WERE ALL POLITICIANS

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Regardless whether they politicians or not, they will and still are accountable to God, just like you and I are.  They were used by God to shape the foundation of this country and it is our duty to keep this country as close to Scripture as humanly possible using the three things we have at our disposal: Our voice, Our vote, and Our prayer. 

The bottom line is simply this:  It is Christianity through our government that given us the opportunity to even have this debate.  Is Christianity the "offical" religion of America - NO!  However, it is through Christianity that we live as we choose, elect the politicians and criticize the goverment how we choose and most importantly, worship God if we choose.  No other country on Earth, past or present has given its people the amount of freedom we as Americans have and enjoy.  This is why our country is called "The Great Experiment".  That is an absolute fact an no one can deny.

Undeniably, Christianity gave us Western Civilization.
I have (among other tomes) an encyclopedia of quotes from the Founding Fathers and other notable Americans...This country was founded on Christian principles; we don't have a State church so to speak, but at the time of our founding EVERY state had a state religion.  It was Christianity undoubtably, in every one, but differing denominations of Christianity.
And one of the requirements to be an officeholder USED to be, that you had to believe in God and His Son, Jesus Christ.
Our current state constitution mentions God on the FIRST page.  Hmmm...

Debbie,

Our Preamble in our State Constitution says:

"We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our
freedom, in order to secure and perpetuate its blessings, do establish this
Constitution".

Yet we have legislators that try move that Proposition 8 was unconstitiutional yet voter approved TWICE (Mark Leno - State Senator and openly homosexual as an example)

We certainly do have an awesome responsability.  When the people elect a wicked ruler, then, the people get more wickedness for their lives.