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Those we know who live as enemies of the cross
||August 08, 2007|1760 reads
 

To add a comment to "Those we know who live as enemies of the cross"
Lourdes Morales
August 08, 2007
Mike, of all the blog you've written this one had touched me deeply.  WHY?  because I have friends and family members that are right now living the life you described in this blog.  They started the journey right (I saw the fruits), but now it is sad to say, something went wrong and they are living that dual life "church and world"... well, more like "world and then church" :-(  WHAT A  MISERABLE LIFE!!!  And you are right... the only thing we can do is being an example of Christ and pray for them. 

I better go and do just that, ask God to open their eyes.

Thank you!  Lourdes
Mike n Laura
August 08, 2007
Thanks for standing with me in this painful place, Lourdes. God bless you sis. ~mike
Jay Price
August 08, 2007

This is a very thoughtful and necessary post. Thank you for having the courage to write it. I understand the brokenness of your heart. And of the Lord's as he looks upon his bride, the church.

You may remember that I have reviewed Derek Prince's book, Atonement, and am continuing to blog from it. He presents 9 exchanges purchased for us on the cross and found in scripture. Then he discusses 5 deliverances that are ours when we embrace the cross for ourselves and let it work in us. The last part is where I've been camped lately - trying to better understand why I am not walking in the fullness of Christ that I desire. What I see as the problem is the carnal self, the prideful rebel in me that wants my own way, that is self-centered and self-indulgent. That nature is in all of us and we must deny it expression habitually or we will find ourselves progressively becoming  enemies of the Cross of Christ, even after a glorious salvation experience. Thankfully, as you said, God gives grace and mercy so we can walk in victory. But the choice is ours, a choice we must make over and over again when feelings and thoughts come to us contrary to the life of Christ. 

Andy Monro
August 08, 2007
Yes, we can see Paul's attitude very clearly in these verses. He certainly was not the sort to simply write off people as unsaveable or to wish hell on them even though they persecute him for his ministry. Besides this verse from Philippians, I think of Romans 9:1-5.

A look at all of Chapter 3 shows that Paul is not really thinking of people who revel in the "Gentile sins" (for lack of a better phrase) of worshipping statues or practicing debauchery. I don't know, but perhaps Mike highlighted "hatred, jealousy, dissensions," etc. when quoting Galatians 5:19-21 because these tend to be more "religious sins." Looking at chapter 3, Paul seems to have in mind legalists, perhaps Judaizers who were causing trouble (as described in Acts 15 and Galatians) or perhaps unconverted Jews who were persecuting the churches (a common occurence in Paul's day).
3:2 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evil-workers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. 3:3 For we are the true circumcision, who worship God in spirit, and glory in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh.

See also Philippians 1:27-30. In fact, Paul holds himself (pre-conversion) up as a supreme example (Philippians 3:4-6) of someone who was righteous according to the Law yet missed the boat and lived as an "enemy of the cross."

As I pointed out in another recent post of Mike's, both antinomians and legalists walk according to the flesh rather than the Spirit, so both groups are enslaved rather than free (2 Peter 2:18-19 for antinomians, Galatians 3:3, 4:3, 4:9 for legalists). On the other hand, if we belong to Christ, if we walk by the Spirit, then we "will not gratify the desires of the flesh" because we "have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires," and we "are not under the law" (Galatians 5:16-26). And, as Paul says in Philippians 3:7-16, Christians pursue Christ by faith rather than pursue a righteousness of their own that comes from the Law. This involves taking up our cross daily, as Christ says in Matthew 16:24-25, and it involves laying down our lives for others (1 John 3:16-18) through weeping, praying, giving of time and treasure, lovingly confronting their sin, etc.

Deb Rockwell
August 08, 2007
Great post Mike, as usual!  I think we all know someone like this, and perhaps there are even some who will read this that are living examples!  All we can do is pray.  We cannot make them see things our way, but only pray that the Lord opens their eyes.  In the end, they will pay for their actions in this life.  Those that truly love and follow God will see His glory.  It is sad though, that actions of so called Christians, who live an immoral life, are examples to those who might be searching.  I think there are many who think that they can live the way they want, because they are "forgiven", they seem to forget that they need to "go and sin no more".  They will be surprised when the day of judgement comes and God will say to them "I never knew you".
Mike n Laura
August 08, 2007
Jam, I love your posts. But man, it seems like it must take a very long time for you to include all those great links to your scripture references (and a hearty THANK YOU for doing that!)...

Your point concerning walking "according to the flesh rather than the Spirit" is extremely well taken. This is the general concept to which I am referring. It is especially painful to watch friends or family members walking entirely according to the flesh, and thus becoming a slave to its "passions and desires", especially when they dwell so close to the "brilliant Light of the Gospel, the redeeming love of God" (to quote myself). They completely miss out on the magnificent splendor of all Christ accomplished on their behalf at Calvary, and perhaps worse, threaten to jeopardize that realization for others as well - I mean non-believers looking to professed Christians for answers. 

Jay, I was very close to impulsively buying a copy of Prince's book that you blogged about. Only problem is I have a significant stack of books I need to read first. But what the heck, I'll probably buy it anyway on your recommendation. One simply can't have enough great books on Jesus' atonement. And THANK YOU for your deeply encouraging post!

Shannon (aha, it's you and not TK), thank you as well for encouraging me. You are right, it is not my job to change anyone's life, that's all God's. And you give some valuable insights into why it may be extremely difficult for people to break out of ungodly patterns of thought. Please pray for me to find wisdom in knowing where to draw the line in terms of helping, encouraging, and counseling such folks.
Mike n Laura
August 08, 2007
Deb, you obviously read my mind as I was typing. (See what I wrote to jam.) Thank you (!!) for your kind comment. We pray and we pray and we pray. It is so frustrating! But while I pray, as Shannon said above, I should remember whose job it is to convict (the HS) and not be too hard on myself when things don't change. Stepping back will be hard though, and I'm sure it won't be done w/o tears.
Andy Monro
August 08, 2007
Well, if my comments seem like short dissertations (complete with citations), it's probably because I currently am writing (basically have finished) a dissertation! And, if I'm going to cite things in these online discussions, why not include links to what it is that I'm citing so that others can more easily check the references themselves? :-)
Mike n Laura
August 08, 2007
Excellent!!
Jay Price
August 08, 2007

Mike~

I agee with you that "one simply cannot have enought great books on Jesus' Atonement," and thought this might be a good place to ask what you recommend. You already know my favorite :)

  

Mike n Laura
August 09, 2007
[unrelated thought]

...this was one of those blogs that wrote itself. In other words, I didn't have it in "draft mode" for a few days before posting it. After rereading it, I must say I feel pretty good about it, as far as spontaneously written blogs go. It was a dose of honesty though, so I really hope it didn't come across too harshly. I deeply, deeply appreciate the words of encouragement from my fellow believers. The Christian walk can be very painful at times, even when walked in the greatest love. In fact, can there be love at all without pain? I don't think so.  ~mike
Patrick Synnott
August 09, 2007
Great post Bro. Amen to you.
Richard
August 09, 2007
This was well thought-out Mike. I like this one alot!
Mike n Laura
August 09, 2007
Thank you Patrick! (write again, you've been on a roll lately)

Thanks Rich! (where have you been, mister? you can't just up and leave us any ol' time!)
Richard
August 09, 2007
Sorry ole buddy. I been on vacation, just got back about an hour and a half ago. Decided to jump on here and see what my friends was up to.

I got some good lake vacation stories to share, hope you're ready!
dave buckingham
August 15, 2007
To me it's often been a balancing act.  I don't want to be judgemental,  but I wanta follow tha ones that are walking the walk.  Of course the enemies of the cross inside the church can be more harmfull that those on the outside.