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Over the weekend - I managed to buy a copy of the film "Fireproof" - and I watched it. To start with, I wanted to be fairly open-minded as to what it was all about, but within about 15 minutes - all I could think about was angel's river-dancing on the duvet - doing the happy-clappy dance, and for those of you who read my stuff regularly - know exactly what I feel about that. In short, it was all the fluffy stuff you would expect from a Christian movie - which is not why I brought the movie. I wanted to know what all this hype was about, and why it was awarded so many awards after it was released, because at first glance - there was nothing in it that titillated my goose bump. It was just a typical Christian movie, with everything expected in a Christian movie. And quite honestly (at first glance) it was a movie that I would not pick up and watch again - because it was too "fluffy" for my liking. I'd rather watch a film like "Pay It Forward" or something of that nature that makes you think, whereby something else is thrust upon you without having to think it. In short. Just follow the 40-step plan - and all your troubles will go away. So when I saw that part in the movie - I thought to myself, oh yeah? What planet does he think he's living on? And why did I think that? Because in the relationships I know of where marriages have been slammed up the wall - it don't happen there... So it took 24 hours to sink into me what it was all about.
Yesterday, I was talking to my sister Lesley - and I touched on the subject of the movie. For some unknown reason - my brain short-circuited and got right down to what that movie was all about. It didn't matter what that man tried to do to attract back his wife, nothing was working. And I have to admit, every-time nothing worked, he went outside and bashed hell out of the refuse bin in pure frustration and temper - because the flowers didn't work, the candle-lit dinner didn't work, neither did being nice work. And the more he did stuff - the harder it got, which is something I can relate to. To that end, I branch into this message "Who Is This Jesus You Talk About."
Whenever I heard sermons in church - they always sent my brain into a cramp, because the Jesus they portrayed - was not the Jesus that I was experiencing. In short (as above), it was angel's river-dancing on the duvet - doing the happy-clappy dance, and just sign on the dotted line and commit yourself to Christ, and all your troubles will go away. So when a friend of mine did that, she said, "I never experienced anything like this before I became a Christian. Now all hell's broke loose!" And, "the man in-front of me who I married all those years ago is not the man in-front of me right now!" And I seriously thought to myself, how do I get myself out of this one - because it was there in full view for all to see, and all the others they talked to didn't want to know a thing about it, and just brushed it aside as if it wasn't happening. In other words, they didn't want to get involved. They even talked about getting a divorce - because it got so bad that they even stopped communicating with each other. Oh boy, did I feel like a verbal punch bag by the end of it - because I was getting it from both ends, and on more than one occasion had a beam me up Scottie moment - as it was not the God of the bible that was being portrayed in church - that all your troubles will go away once people sign up. In fact - it was totally the opposite. They'd only just begun. So I go back to the same question again. Who is this Jesus you talk about...when everything around you is going belly up? So let me now go right up to my neck in it - whereby one thing is said in a sermon or two, whereby another is happening in real life in people's lives, and people make up their own version of Jesus - that doesn't quite match up to the Jesus that some people read about in the bible, and it is not as simple as a 40-day plan. In fact, once people dive into it, its a life-long commitment - whereby not everything is going to go your way. Next paragraph.
It can be tough but rewarding at the same time. It can be challenging whereby you feel like your back is against the wall, but conquering at the same time once you've broken through it. And I will always maintain that faith doesn't grow in a land of plenty, because if that were the case - we'd need no faith at all. In fact, when you feel as if you've been bashed from pillar to post - that's when your faith begins to grow, because there's an opposition against everything you believe in that forces it to grow. In short, it forces people to act out the very thing they believe in, that it is not always angel's river-dancing on the duvet, and that it is something that people have to deal with whether they like it or not. So that 40-day plan - that when people really think about it - extends longer than a 40-day plan because they make a commitment that nothing is going to stand in their way once they start it. So to push everything under the carpet and pretend nothing is happening - only adds to the trouble that's already there, and sooner or later it will start to show. And the sad thing about it is, everybody around you can see it - but you. Which leads to the next part of my message.
When people enter into a relationship with Christ, what part of the message titillates their goose bump? Is it the happy-clappy stuff, where everything is fine and dandy, whereby everybody sails off into the sunset like in some fairytale book? Or once people make a commitment to follow Christ, its going to be hard and tough, and some of us are going to have to be worked on if anything is going to survive? Final paragraph or four.
Whenever people commit themselves to Christ, they're only told one side of the story. Its a bit like signing up for the Army. They're promised excitement and adventure, but leave out that somewhere along the line you may feel like you're being shot to bits, and bodies are going to start flying all over the place when it happens - which superficially speaking is not what they signed up for. And if people were to read my profile page, I mentioned something about Christian casualties - that people were only presented with one side of the gospel, whereby there's a whole chunk of the gospel that is being left out. Nobody told them that they would be persecuted for their beliefs. Nobody told people that their feelings are going to be put through a meat grinder, and nobody told them that its going to be tough. All they're told is angel's river-dancing on the duvet doing the happy-clappy dance, which now leads to the scripture that ties everything up in this message.
2 Corinthians 4:4 [Amplified version]. For [you seem readily to endure it] if a man comes and preaches another Jesus than the One we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the [Spirit] you [once] received or a different gospel from the one you [then] received and welcomed; you tolerate [all that] well enough!
Anybody know what I'm getting at? Going back to the movie "Fireproof." When that man started out on his journey to try and please and bring back his wife's heart, it was not as simple as was written in the book. And although his father gave it to him in his own handwriting to study and do - because that was the only way his son would accept it, it was actually his wife who went through all the stuff that was written in the book. And it was the father who was considering divorcing her, not the other-way round that was happening in the son's marriage. So what am I trying to get at here? Final (and I mean final) paragraph.
Whether in a relationship with Christ - or in a relationship within a marriage, it tougher than people think. And I often think to myself, are we doing a dis-service to people - when people only present one side of the gospel? In effect, presenting "another Jesus" - that although sounds nice, people cannot relate to? In a nutshell, people want to know about the Jesus who went hard times. The one who's back was against the wall, and the one who conquered everything when the going got tough, who went through some stuff before conquering it, because all people are encouraged to do - is pray about it. But as that film so rightly pointed out, there are some things in life whereby you feel like kicking something into the middle of next week. And here's the stinger in the tail. You don't have to be married to feel like it. So as the title of this messages states, who is this Jesus you talk about when everything around you is going belly up? And what is it that Jesus talked about that is largely missed out - that people go through when they hit the buffers in life? Did He just pray about it, or was there a part of Him that did something about it when the going got tough? So if I were to put this whole message in a nutshell, there's more to this Christian walk than just saying the sinners prayer, and not everything is going to be angel's river-dancing on the duvet doing a happy-clappy dance. But that's what people hear mostly in church isn't it? So question. Is that why people are so messed up, because they were never told the other half where commitment really begins? It begins when you're back is against the wall. Remember. Faith doesn't grow in a land of plenty. If that were the case, it would take no faith at all - as that man found out when he entered into trying to save his marriage - which he finally did, but it took more than was written in the book that his father presented him with. Faith is only activated when you are stretched to the limit - and there's just you and God. So how many people hear about that when the going gets tough - that it takes more than faith, and that there's an actual part people have to do for it to survive? Perhaps that's why there's so many Christian casualties - because they don't know how to deal with it. They're only presented with one half of the gospel, but the other half gets left out. In short, there's only one half of Jesus they want to know about. Its the one that titillates their goose bump, but not the one - that when the going gets tough, it is something they will have to deal with. In short, there's more to it than just praying about it. Just look under that spiritual carpet that people have shoved things under that people don't want to deal with to understand what I mean. And like above, is that why people are so messed up because they don't know how to? And going back to the friends I mentioned above. Their marriage is stronger now than it was ever before, because they refused to give up, and they didn't substitute one type of Jesus for another type of Jesus when they tackled it, which some people do when they hit the buffers in life. And I must be honest with people here. Whenever I've heard messages in the past, they preach to the most vulnerable people in life - and that's when things start going belly up, because they don't want to hear anything other than another Jesus that not many can relate to, because if people were to read Exodus 32:1-3 [NIV] it becomes a problem when people try to make things up as they go along. In short. The one they made up was not the One that brought them out of Egypt. And as we all know - Egypt represented a land of captivity whereby people were slaves. They made up a god that was not the God of the bible, and it angered Him when they did so. Anyway, I'll leave you to ponder on that. Do people make things up as they go along in the hope it will be acceptable? Here ends my message on who is this Jesus you talk about. Maybe I should have ended it with a question mark, because in some instances - people like myself cannot relate to something in the way Jesus related it to people when He confronted them - that it is not as simple as a 40-day plan. And that is what I learnt when I saw the film "Fireproof." But I only learnt it after seeing it. So my only hope is that people see it (and I don't mean the film) before it happens. |
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| October 05, 2009 |
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A great read Stevie. My understanding is that when we make a commitment that is the time that satan goes to work, as before commitment, we were no threat to him. The battle starts with all the dirty tricks he can use. We need to remember that Jesus ,the name above everyother name is stronger that him,and in that name demons have to flee. God is a jealous God as Exodus tells us and punished the Israelite for the folly in making the calf. So let us with the help of the Holy Spirit strive to live each day for Him (jJesus) giving Him all the Glory keeping ourselves only unto Him |
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[star!] | Never seen the movie myself Mr. Bee, so I'll have to pass pn commenting on it, however I will comment on the rest. {you knew I would} God didn't say that when we come to him, our lives will be all peach keen. No, he said just the opposite. He will be with us through the trials because he said he would never leave us or forsake us. Still, we WILL go through trials.Why not? Jesus went through trials. Are we excluded? I think not. Surely we don't expect the devil to leave us alone, on the contrary. One of the things that burns me up is tv preachers, {and I'm not against all tv preachers}, but those who preach the name it and claim it stuff and send me a thousand dollar love gift and God will pay your bills, {hey, if I had a thousand dollars,I could pay my bills myself} or the big one, send so much money for a prayer cloth and God will heal you, to me, thats selling God. And if anyone gets offended , so be it. I will just go to my faith filled believing church, have my ekders pray over and anoint me like the bible tells us to do, get a prayer cloth from them for free, and trust God . No my life hasn;t become a bed of roses since I came to Christ, but it's sure a whole lot easier. I don't have hangovers, I don't have to remember what lie I told who, I can lay my head downat night and not worry about my family, and {forgive me} but I don't have to try and remember who I slept with last night. Soory Mr. Bee but it's gotta come out so I'll use your blof if that's ok. We need to start understanding the truth instead of a bunch of hogwash. That way, when battles come, we'll expect them and not think that God let us down. We have enough people do that now. |
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| October 05, 2009 |
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Hi Liz. So you read Exodus 32:1-3 did you? That means a lot to me, because unless something is fed to someone, not many people would take time-out to look it up. When I read that scripture, it portrayed an imagine of how some people see God - compared to God Himself. In the same way, people make up an image of Jesus - that although portrayed in the bible, is not exactly the full monty of who Jesus was really all about. So people promote one type of Jesus, but leave out the other side - which is largely missed out. And to be quite honest with you - I was tempted to quote Exodus 32:1-3 - but leave out 2 Corinthians 4:4, but I sat and thought about it - and did it the other way round. So when I did that, it forced me to think, who is this Jesus that everyone talks about? as with some people - its so far off the planet - that people would need a science degree to understand it. So when I saw that movie "Fireproof" - it demonstrated that people have to walk it out to know Him. And whatever Jesus says to do, we don't just set about thinking, talking and praying about it, or as I said in my message - just pray about it. Because if people are not prepared to do it, all it becomes is just a bunch of words - with no "fireproofing" (forgive the pun) to back it up, and the proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. So when I sat back and thought about that movie, it was a bitter/sweet experience that took them right to the edge - because too mnay people are wrapped up in what they're doing, neglecting there's another person on the other end that's being hurt by it. And that doesn't just happen in a marriage situation, but any situation people encounter when they try to connect. They're so wrapped up in their own little word - that they neglect what its doing to that other person. And who knows. That other person you're trying to connect with is going through a pretty tough time themselves, but if people don't recognise it, it will be destroyed.
Crystal my old friend. :-). There's a lot of stuff you mention that I can identify with, especially to do with TV evangelism. I too have seen that stuff going on, and it makes my blood boil when they do it. Why? Because the people who are hood-winked into this stuff are stoney broke, whilst the others who are asking for it live in mansions. That doesn't mean to say I'm not in favour of tithing into ministries, as its not how much people give, but equal sacrifice in their giving. And what do I mean by that? Look up what Jesus said about the widow's mite. She gave the only thing she had - compared to all those others who just gave loose change in their pockets. So its not equal giving that people should be concerned about, but equal sacrifice. She gave the only thing she'd got - which exceeded what the rest had given. As for the rest of what you've said. Its not a bed of roses like some people are led to believe, and I often wonder why the seven-year itch is called the seven-year itch. Its because each one is trying to change the other - instead of accepting each other the way they are. And although not married myself, I suffered the backlash when one tried to change the other, and it came to the point 13.5 years later where we had nothing more to battle with, and it ended quicker than it started. And to this day, although her mother still keeps in contact with me - I can't for the life of me bare to speak with my ex, as her mother needs life-saving surgery - but she won't have it because it would mean leaving her husband for 10 days whilst she underwent life-saving surgery. And why did I and my ex split up? Because there was only one person she thought about. And although her mother needs surgery, again there's only one person she's thinking about, which makes me mad to say the least. And don't worry about saying stuff on my blogs - because I said a few blogs back that nothing will be deleted. So if people aren't allowed to air their concerns, problems etc., then what are people doing here who are not prepared to help them overcome it? And if people are not prepared to help people, in which god (small "g") do we serve? Here ends my response. |
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| I understand full well. My husband worked for a big ministry years ago, I won't say who, and he said one of his jobe was opening the mail and checkin for money. He said they were told not to read the letters, to just take the money and put the letters in a pile and someone would pray over them later. He said it broke his heart because he did read the letters, how else are you gonna know how to pray for that certain person? and he said it was from an older woman who ask for prayer for her daughter who was in prison for drugs. Inside she had enclosed a hundred dollar bill and said she was sorry but that was all she had and was that enough for prayer. She said she would send more when she got her next ss check. Sad, that she just couldn't go to a local pastor and get prayer for free. However, like we have talked about before, to many people have been hurt by junk like this so they won't turn to anyone for help. Needless to say, my husband switched to a different jobin that ministry untill he left. Our actions good or bad, is going to affect many people down the roda, it may be a second, a week a year or several years , but it will come back around. We can guarentee that can't we? |
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| October 05, 2009 |
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[star!] | Stevie, I couldn't agree with you more. The happy, clappy type are all around us here too. It was a little ways through when a scripture came to mind: Rev 12:11- They overcame him (satan) by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not thier lives even unto death. God himself said this would be a difficult life to live if we lived it for Him. Jesus said "the world hated Me first and it will hate you too". Guess where we are headed? We have only begun to see or hear. A very good post Stevie and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it my friend. Blessings to you. |
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| October 05, 2009 |
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[star!] | Dear Stevie, another well written blog. I'm so glad you went and bought this tape. I'm glad you watched it. I knew in my heart I did not want to watch it. Possibly because of the fact it was given so many thumbs up. I'm not a main stream Christian. I don't see everything black and white. I know there are a lot of grey areas with God that a lot of people are not willing to talk about. It's either black or it's white. I hope that doesn't offend anyone, because that is not my intention. I just know that God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are so much higher. Not that we can't strive to live Gods way. And that my freind, can only take place with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and our willingness to allow the Spirit to have dominece over our flesh. I have lived 13 years with a man that is not Godly.We are married and were blessed with a daughter. I had two other children before we got married. I have lived and fought in the Spirit for our relationship to work. I have not always been meek and mild, nor sweet and gentle. But for the most part I have turned the other cheek. I do believe though, and God knows, I did this too much. The answer to all our problems is, as always, just pray about it. Well I've prayed about every prayer I can muster up for him. I swept things under the carpet, I looked the other way, I've held my peace, but you know you can only take so much. So wherever the Lord leads me, I will follow. He knows what I need better than I do. I can not change the man. I can only love him where he is. Do I love his ways. No. Do I even like him? No I don't. So with the help from the fruit of Spirit. I lay this burden down. Again. And ask Jesus to step in and help. I was gonna go talk to a lawyer just the other day. Am I gonna still. No, I think I'll let the Lord deal with him and go about being happy with what I'm feeling right now. And that is peace. Am I still going through the storm? You betcha. Will I let it defeat me. No way. I'm not in any danger. By the way, I have some pretty wise women who have been married and still are, that have helped me keep it real. Am I gonna excuse his behavoir anymore. No. I"ll just wait and see what the Lord is gonna do. I've got a promise. When I see the enemy come in one way, I'll see him flee 7 other ways. My life since becoming born again, has been full of heartache. Have I have moment's of calm? Yes but not for long. It's been one trial after another. I use to watch alot of TV evangelists. Don't no more. I don't trust them. Maybe I'll take a peak at T.D Jakes every once in a while or hear Joyce Meyer. But that's about it. I don't even want to go to that subject. I want the real Jesus. And I'm pretty sure, the only way to have Him is when there's nothing else. . |
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| October 05, 2009 |
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| I hear you loud and clear. I went through a lot of the same things you talk about her my sister. My life was a mess, married to men who didn;t care about me for one minute, lived with men who cheated, lied, abused both physically,and mentally, you name it. Why did I stay? It was better to be with anybody than be alone. Doesn't make sense does it? the last relationship lasted twenty years, five filled with love, the last 15 filled with hell. and for one reason, I got pregnant, I had to make a decision, the baby or him. I chose my daughter who today is a beautiful young woman who is married and has a wonderful husband and will soon be blessing me with a grandchild. He left for awhile, then came back, I took him back because again, it was better being with someone than no one. That was a decision I learned to regreat. 15 years of pure hell, {sorry Mr. Bee}. But again if I had to do it all over again, I would, just to have my daughter Heather Nichloe. I love her and she loves me. I feel like crying, we mothers would go through hell if we had to for ur kids. At least I know I would. |
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| October 06, 2009 |
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Hi Tim. With reference to Revelation 12:11. How many people leave-out the word of their testimony, then wonder why only half of the battle is being won?
Sis Cece. I undertand exactly what you mean - because I could consider myself not to be a main-stream Christian either, and I know about those grey areas - which I seem to fall into that category. Its not as simple as black and white, and if it was - tell me the secret. The only thing I do seem to leans towards is - don't expect a 50-year problem to be solved in 5 minuites. OK then, I'll stretch it to a week (maybe a month). If its taken 50 years to get like that, don't expect it to be solved in a heartbeat is what I say. But there would be people that would disagree...
Crystal. If you're not careful - I'll say that word that nobody likes... LOL!!! And as for the rest of what you say. Why is it I've heard that story before from other people... And considering your pure hell statement, I know a person who is experiencing just that - but thinking of being alone does not compute, and they'd jump back into a relationship before the paint has dried on the wall. And the thing is, what they experienced in one relationship - is dragged into another. Why? Because they didn't take time-out to heal the shrapnel wound from the other one. And on and on its gone - dragging something into something else - when the other person had nothing to do with it. So that other person in effect is suffering from someone else's mistake. So there's a saying over here, if you fall off a horse, get straight back on. Problem is, when it comes to affairs of the heart, it don't work like that. And as for mother's and going through hell? I'm a prime example. My mother went through hell when I was a child, and its only now that I see the reward of what she went through when I was a child. |
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| October 06, 2009 |
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| amen Mr. Bee, like I said before, My mother went through so much abuse at the hand of different men, all she wanted was for us kids to have a bed to sleep in and food on our table. She took the beatings, my brother also took a lot trying to defend her. To bad she didn't see the damage it was causing in our homes. Most of us kids grew up and got ourselves into the same messy marriages. Maybe thats why we all felt we needed to be with someone, anyone. Like you said, We { I } never gave my heart a chanch to heal after the relationship ended, Like Mrs. J's bolg, I just stuck a bandaid on it and went to the next one. I ended up with a lot of bandaids Mr. Bee, some have been removed, sadly, after all these years, some are still there. I see my two sons doinging this now, fortunantly my daughters are wiser. Right now I feel I need another bandaid Mr. Bee, got one? |
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