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Fighting With Church People!
||October 15, 2009|146 reads
 

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Beverly Haynes
October 15, 2009
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"You can't offend a dead person"--that's one of the greatest things I've ever heard! We humans are an egotistical bunch; and you pastors who have to deal with us have my utmost admiration and gratitude.
Brother Todd
October 15, 2009
Thanks for reading Beverly, and I can't take credit for that!  That I know came from the Lord!  Well, I am not looking for any sympathy, just wisdom!  LOL  I love my people and I am blessed God has entrusted them to my care.  Over time the Spirit will make some inroads and it'll get better and a whole lot more fun!
Joey     R
October 15, 2009
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Wow, and this is sooooo good!

"meaning that our words need to be seasoned with grace.  Our actions should be motivated by compassion.  Our thoughts need to be pure.  Our attitude needs to be one of submission.  Herein lies the rub as Shakespeare would say.  What we should do and what we actually, do are two differently things entirely."

And this reminds me of what my husband and I needed to hear during our first years of marriage:

"Sometimes, they are both wrong and both get wounded in the fight and they not only need a healing but they need a stern butt kicking as well.  Ughh!  God give us wisdom!"

I truly wish someone had taken us to the woodshed and talked to us.  That person being you.

God bless you,
Joey



Joey     R
October 15, 2009
But then...

Talking about fighting within the church?  Ouch!  Double ouch!
gojolly63
October 15, 2009
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This applies to brother to sister, friend to friend, etc.

I  will remember " If I were standing over a corpse and began to revile and insult and accuse that corpse, that corpse would just lay there"

Thanks Todd!

Mike n Laura
October 16, 2009
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Dude, this word rocks! You said, "it only takes one to break a relationship". I was experiencing a little heartburn at first, thinking that the relationship doesn't have to end b/c one person offends the other. THEN you covered all that when you wrote that we "voluntarily willingly given up your rights for justice and equity and fairness" and "forfeit your right to be hurt, to be offended, to be wounded." You talked about our being crucified, putting to death our selfish desires, needs, and wants. And it occurred to me (or maybe you wrote this too), Christ is faithful to us, despite our many many offenses against him. His faithfulness, love, forgiveness, and acceptance draw me back to him continually!

The lesson here for me, if I've understood correctly, is "offense" intended or not doesn't need to bait me into conflict. I even have the capacity, like Christ, to care for those who "offend" me. Todd, great word, pastor. Your congregation is fortunate, and I hope they know it!  :-)

 

Brother Todd
October 16, 2009
Joey, :)  (((((((((Joey)))))))))  we all need to be remined and guided along the way. 
Brother Todd
October 16, 2009
GoJolly:  It applies oh does it apply everywhere! It is a constant reminder to me of how far I have to go to grow up in Christ!
Olivia
October 16, 2009
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Brother Todd
October 16, 2009
Mike:  Well when you move to Pensacola you can come to worship with us. LOL
 
You have a great take away, and yes Jesus was the ultimate example wasn't He when it comes to meekness?  Well, it is hard to not rear up and fight back as that is our nature, but we have to get beyond that by God's grace don't we?
Olivia
October 16, 2009
When Christians fight they go for the jugular.
Brother Todd
October 16, 2009
Olivia, it is true and as the Book of James says,  can salt and fresh water flow from the same spring?  We praise God with the same mouth we curse our brother.  These things ought not to be so.
Ronnie's blog
October 16, 2009
       Just my humble opinion. Any person who is offended by the truth of God's Word. Does not belong in my sight. It is not Christian to NOT speak boldly of God's Word. Souls depend on truth. Not mumblings!!

      There are many when confronted with the truth and shown to be wrong. Turn away from you. They will say anything to silence you so others do not know they pretend to be a Christain. They will suffer much more than they could ever emagine!!
Lara Leger
October 16, 2009
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This hits home b/c of what happened in our church of 5 years we left in February. I wasn't involved, but my husband, and it really bothered me to see these people acting like children, taking sides, gossiping, slandering and backbiting, and attacking.  Acting like kids, basically.  One more good thing to mention is if it ain't got nothing to do with you and you're not part of the solution, STAY OUT OF IT.  I didn't even take my husband's side in the issue, but I supported him through it, but never got involved in the issue itself if that makes sense.
Sis Cece
October 16, 2009
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This is a really good lesson.
I really enjoyed the part about being dead.
That's right. Dead to our selfish ways. Dead to our desire to get even.
And even, just dead to the fact that it won't hurt us to begin with.
Good word Pastor Todd. Prasie the Lord!
The Talking Mule
October 18, 2009
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Bro. Todd, I know what you mean. If a person does you wrong, make them a corpus and they will offend you no more, Then we can stand over them and say what we want!......lolololol just kidding. Seriously, if I endure like Jesus, someone just might want to know why I haven't 'fought' back. I tell them my weapon is love. Amen?
Brother Todd
October 18, 2009
Mule:  A M E N!
Gene Downs
October 18, 2009
"...your response to conflict is a measure of your own spirituality or lack of it."

I agree completely.  If our reference point is God, then how can we really get offeneded by someone else?  How can we stay mad at someone?
Brother Todd
October 19, 2009
Lara:  It makes a lot of sense.  We are so quick to take sides on an issue.  So rather than it being an isolated event it becomes a wide spread cataclysmic type of event. The Devil knows how to sow discord among the bretheren no doubt and when we see envy and confusion, you can bet the Devil is behind it.
Brother Todd
October 19, 2009
Sis Cece:  Great lesson but harder to apply than to understand for sure. 
Brother Todd
October 19, 2009
Gene:  That's the ticket!  Our reference point is God and He colors and influences everything we think, say, and do.  It has to be brought to the obediene of Christ.
crystal
October 19, 2009
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no wonder the world doesn't want anything to do with the church,  theres enough bickering, gossiping, murmuring, backbiting and backstabbing for them already, thety don't have to go to church. Sadly we forget that we're suppose to be representing Christ. Even more sad to say is that I've been treated better by the ones outside the church than inside. We need to do what the bible says and examine ourselves. Take a good long hard look and not just a glance. If you were in the world, would you want what you see? ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
Brother Todd
October 19, 2009
Crystal:  It is true that the church is full of sinners.  That's why we go to church right?  But, the problem is that we don't die to self enough and we bring our selfiish ambition and all of our own ideas and values into the church and we eitther try to get everyone to accept them or we compromise and try to mix God's word with our ouwn ideas.  Of course this doens't work.  The sad thing is all the babies that get wounded in the fights.  We all need to do better in not just living for God, but dying to our self so that He might be seen in us.   But, yes I don't know that our behavior is attractive enough to attract those who are truly hurting and needing love.